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Benchmark Scores | Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :) |
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I can't read squat off that image xkm...
Benchmark Scores | Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :) |
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Where did you find this?1730mhz clock speed it will touch stock GTX 1080ti FE
System Name | Virtual Reality / Bioinformatics |
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Processor | Undead CPU |
Motherboard | Undead TUF X99 |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | GSkill 128GB DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra |
Storage | Samsung 960 Pro 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + WD Black 5TB |
Display(s) | 32'' 4K Dell |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Audio Device(s) | BOSE 2.0 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 850watt |
Mouse | Logitech Master MX |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 Cherry MX Blue |
VR HMD | HTC Vive + Oculus Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 10 P |
I can't read squat off that image xkm...
System Name | Old Fart / Young Dude |
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Processor | 2500K / 6600K |
Motherboard | ASRock P67Extreme4 / Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 DDR3 |
Cooling | CM Hyper TX3 / CM Hyper 212 EVO |
Memory | 16 GB Kingston HyperX / 16 GB G.Skill Ripjaws X |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte GTX 1050 Ti / INNO3D RTX 2060 |
Storage | SSD, some WD and lots of Samsungs |
Display(s) | BenQ GW2470 / LG UHD 43" TV |
Case | Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced / Thermaltake Core v31 |
Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar D1/Denon PMA500AE/Wharfedale D 10.1/ FiiO D03K/ JBL LSR 305 |
Power Supply | Corsair TX650 / Corsair TX650M |
Mouse | Steelseries Rival 100 / Rival 110 |
Keyboard | Sidewinder/ Steelseries Apex 150 |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10 Pro |
If that's for Vega it is on par with a factory overclocked 1080 which can be had since about June 2016.
No, this is not about AMD vs NVIDIA. This is about @RejZoR's confusing comments.I don't think you know what you are talking about. It's easier to stir into the skid like you do with your opinion right now getting Ryzen into the picture. We are talking about Vega here not Ryzen, This competition is between AMD and NVIDIA not AMD and Intel. What's your point here? You put NV and Intel into one basket? or what is it?
I'm consistent in my opinion about the way companies do business and improve their products.With this logic you been praising Nvidia for several weeks as well. So you did with Intel. and??
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
You can say that over and over. There's always a way for you to give a reason for what you have wrote and defend yourself.No, this is not about AMD vs NVIDIA. This is about @RejZoR's confusing comments.
I'm consistent in my opinion about the way companies do business and improve their products.
Some people are consistent in their support toward a company, regardless of what they do.
Processor | i7-13700k |
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Motherboard | Asus Tuf Gaming z790-plus |
Cooling | Coolermaster Hyper 212 RGB |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR5 7000mhz |
Video Card(s) | Asus Dual Geforce RTX 4070 Super ( 2800mhz @ 1.0volt, ~60mhz overlock -.1volts) |
Storage | 1x Samsung 980 Pro PCIe4 NVme, 2x Samsung 1tb 850evo SSD, 3x WD drives, 2 seagate |
Display(s) | Acer Predator XB273u 27inch IPS G-Sync 165hz |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx Series RM850x (OCZ Z series PSU retired after 13 years of service) |
Mouse | Logitech G502 hero |
Keyboard | Logitech G710+ |
Since the clock speed of the 687F:C1 RX Vega has remained the same throughout this benchmark history, I think it's fair to say these improvements have come out purely at the behest of driver and/or firmware level performance improvements.
System Name | All the cores |
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Processor | 2990WX |
Motherboard | Asrock X399M |
Cooling | CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL |
Memory | 4x16GB G.Skill 3600 |
Video Card(s) | (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's |
Storage | 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB |
Display(s) | Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz |
Case | Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal |
Audio Device(s) | Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime 1200w |
Mouse | Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller |
Keyboard | Keychron K8 |
Software | W10P |
Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X ||| Intel Core i7-3930K |
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Motherboard | ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR ||| Asus P9X79 WS |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S ||| Be Quiet Pure Rock |
Memory | Crucial 2 x 16 GB 3200 MHz ||| Corsair 8 x 8 GB 1333 MHz |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX 1060 3GB ||| MSI GTX 680 4GB |
Storage | Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB + 1 TB ||| Intel 545s 512 GB + 256 GB |
Display(s) | Asus ROG Swift PG278QR 27" ||| Eizo EV2416W 24" |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL x 2 |
Audio Device(s) | Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus PX-850 x 2 |
Mouse | Razer Abyssus |
Keyboard | CM Storm QuickFire XT |
Software | Ubuntu |
So, using linear regression we can expect this to beat GV100 next year?The folks at Videocardz have put together an interesting chart detailing the 687F:C1 RX Vega's score history since benchmarks of it first started appearing, around three months ago. This chart shows an impressive performance improvement over time, with AMD's high-performance GPU contender showing an improvement of roughly 15% since it was first benchmarked. That averages out at around a 5% improvement per month, which bodes well for the graphics card... At least in the long term. We have to keep in mind that this video card brings with it some pretty extensive differences from existing GPU architectures in the market, with the implementation of HBC (High Bandwidth Cache) and HBCC (High Bandwidth Cache Controller). These architectural differences naturally require large amounts of additional driver work to enable them to function to their full potential - full potential that we aren't guaranteed RX Vega GPUs will be able to deliver come launch time.
That's called being consistent.You can say that over and over. There's always a way for you to give a reason for what you have wrote and defend yourself.
Or maybe you don't understand? Did you consider that?I see nothing confusing with what RejZoR said. Maybe you just can't see his point of view or you simply don't understand.
Because he's been bashing Intel for a strategy he now finds acceptable for an AMD product. I think I've written that clear.Consistent? What makes you think Rej... is not consistent in what he says?
So what changed his mind about small incremental updates? The fact that AMD also does it?People can always change their mind cause they saw something they haven't seen earlier and that made them change the decision or point of view or approach.
Where did that come from? :-o How is this connected to the discussion? And how do you know?Do business? I think you know nothing about it. You think you know but that's different.
That's the American way. You are from US, aren't you?That's my opinion and you can always disagree.
~36.92% faster.
System Name | All the cores |
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Processor | 2990WX |
Motherboard | Asrock X399M |
Cooling | CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL |
Memory | 4x16GB G.Skill 3600 |
Video Card(s) | (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's |
Storage | 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB |
Display(s) | Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz |
Case | Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal |
Audio Device(s) | Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime 1200w |
Mouse | Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller |
Keyboard | Keychron K8 |
Software | W10P |
~36.92% faster.
System Name | Virtual Reality / Bioinformatics |
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Processor | Undead CPU |
Motherboard | Undead TUF X99 |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | GSkill 128GB DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra |
Storage | Samsung 960 Pro 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + WD Black 5TB |
Display(s) | 32'' 4K Dell |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Audio Device(s) | BOSE 2.0 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 850watt |
Mouse | Logitech Master MX |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 Cherry MX Blue |
VR HMD | HTC Vive + Oculus Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 10 P |
What's sad is that's a slow result (mine)
System Name | All the cores |
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Processor | 2990WX |
Motherboard | Asrock X399M |
Cooling | CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL |
Memory | 4x16GB G.Skill 3600 |
Video Card(s) | (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's |
Storage | 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB |
Display(s) | Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz |
Case | Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal |
Audio Device(s) | Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime 1200w |
Mouse | Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller |
Keyboard | Keychron K8 |
Software | W10P |
And that Vega was clocked to explosion
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS STRIX X570-E |
Cooling | NOCTUA NH-U12A |
Memory | G.Skill FlareX 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS RTX 4070 DUAL |
Storage | 1 TB WD Black SN850X | 2 TB WD Blue SN570 | 10 TB WD Purple Pro |
Display(s) | LG 32QP880N 32" |
Case | Fractal Design Define R5 Black |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus Gold 750W |
Mouse | Pulsar X2 |
Keyboard | KIRA EXS |
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Looking at the chart i think says it remained the same clock but why does it say 1630mhz+? What does the + at the end mean? I would bet that isn't same clocks from first test to last.
System Name | -aLiEn beaTs- |
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Processor | Intel i7 11700kf @ 5.055Ghz |
Motherboard | MSI Z490 Unify |
Cooling | Corsair H115i Pro RGB |
Memory | G.skill Royal Silver 4400 cl17 @ 4403mhz |
Video Card(s) | Zotac GTX 980TI AMP!Omega Factory OC 1418MHz |
Storage | Intel SSD 330, Crucial SSD MX300 & MX500 |
Display(s) | Samsung C24FG73 144HZ |
Case | CoolerMaster HAF 932 USB3.0 |
Audio Device(s) | X-Fi Titanium HD @ 2.1 Bose acoustimass 5 |
Power Supply | CoolerMaster 850W v2 gold atx 2.52 |
Mouse | Razer viper 8k |
Keyboard | Logitech G19s |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 21h2 64Bit |
Benchmark Scores | ► ♪♫♪♩♬♫♪♠|
Where did you find this?
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To be fair we could see a better clocked card drop as yields hit. I keep hearing rumors of 1800mhz, but that will not fix a 40+ percent gap.
Eh, that's only because it does matter. It means AMD simply cannot match Nvidia. If they would completely forego high-end and offer something in the mid-range that would wipe the floor with Nvidia, yes, then you could say it doesn't matter what they do about high-end. But since they're playing the same game, standings are relevant.
And don't forget Vega FE: slightly faster than Titan Xp, still needs more power to pull it off. Much cheaper, though.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
That's called being consistent.
Or maybe you don't understand? Did you consider that?
Because he's been bashing Intel for a strategy he now finds acceptable for an AMD product. I think I've written that clear.
So what changed his mind about small incremental updates? The fact that AMD also does it?
Where did that come from? :-o How is this connected to the discussion? And how do you know?
And what do you mean by "do business"? It sounds like owning a sex shop.
That's the American way. You are from US, aren't you?
You say I can disagree, but you've just criticized me for not agreeing with someone else. What's happening here?![]()
Well here is a 1080TI OC 2075MHZ and it has 44K by gpu score,. That 37K must be cpu bottleneck.
P30 752 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti(1x) and Intel Core i7-5820K Processor
Graphics Score 44 550
Physics Score 16 351
Combined Score 15 364
Where did you hear that rumor? if Vega can hit 1730Mhz that's what the graph shows that's great. Hope that is true.To be fair we could see a better clocked card drop as yields hit. I keep hearing rumors of 1800mhz, but that will not fix a 40+ percent gap.
System Name | All the cores |
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Processor | 2990WX |
Motherboard | Asrock X399M |
Cooling | CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL |
Memory | 4x16GB G.Skill 3600 |
Video Card(s) | (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's |
Storage | 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB |
Display(s) | Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz |
Case | Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal |
Audio Device(s) | Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime 1200w |
Mouse | Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller |
Keyboard | Keychron K8 |
Software | W10P |
A functional TBR rasterizer and clock increase can. Why do you think Maxwell 2 "out of nowhere" dropped massive performance gains at impressive efficiency?
I mean, we've seen TBR doesn't work on Vega FE, it's not a secret. By not being focused on gaming and with immature drivers it was still reaching GTX 1070/1080 speeds. People really don't seem to realize how much of a difference fully functional drivers with all new features enabled and actually working TBR rasterizer makes. In terms of power and performance. I mean, am I the only one who remembers Kyro II from what, decade and a half ago which was the first TBR powered desktop card ever that really worked? It looked totally unimpressive spec wise and yet it was taking on GeForce 2 GTS/Ultra (which was on paper superior in every aspect), sometimes literally humiliating it entirely and taking even on GeForce 3?
Fast forward to 2017 and you have a chip that is on paper a brute as it is in terms of clock, shader count and memory bandwidth/latency. And then you enable TBR on it properly to render games. What do you people expect? 5-10fps boost only? C'mon, get real. Maxwell 2 wasn't just magically faster, it was because of TBR along with few other similar power/performance technologies (like framebuffer compression).
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
Oh my god, this is why I get rage episodes. We know Vega FE drivers are totally immature, we also know Tile-based Rendering doesn't work. AMD released Vega FE with drivers in such state because it was naturally assumed it would be used in productivity tools, not benched in freaking games. And yet, here we are with people making gaming performance assumptions on a card with totally immature drivers which was meant for productivity first and gaming second. AMD was simpy hoping to release Vega FE as is and fix the gaming stuff later since it's not exactly meant for that. And people are going batshit crazy over it. I watched PCPer stream and I otherwise respect the guys, they generally know their shit, but most of the stream and also their later recap, I was like, guys, what the hell are you doing... It's like they threw all logic, common sense and entire existing knowledge about graphic cards, drivers and gfx card releases out the window the moment they got Vega FE in their hands.
That's about as insane as whining over Lamborghini Aventador not being all that great and harvesting wheat. But Lamborghini also makes tractors! It should perform great at that too!
System Name | Bo-minator (my name is bo) |
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Processor | AMD 3900X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | G-SkiLL 2x8GB RAM 3600Mhz (CL16-16-16-16-36) |
Video Card(s) | ASUS STRIX 1080Ti OC |
Storage | Samsung EVO 850 1TB |
Display(s) | ACER XB271HU + DELL 2717D |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | ASUS Xonar Essence STX |
Power Supply | Antec HCP 1000W |
Mouse | G403 |
Keyboard | CM STORM Quick Fire Rapid |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit Pro |
Benchmark Scores | XX |
So, AMD's latest and greatest GPU with the big d and lots of power and heat beats NVIDIA's year old GPU (Founders Edition of course) with the little die by a whopping 5% and is significantly slower than the 1080 Ti with the big die.
Wow, take my money AMD!!
Now, again, before all you AMD apologists start foaming at the mouth at me for being "anti-AMD" and an "NVIDIA fanboy", you should instead be annoyed with AMD for continuing to put out disappointing products, not the guy (me) pointing out their failings.
For the record, I would have loved Vega to leapfrog the performance of the 1080 Ti and make NVIDIA play catch up for a change. That's real competition and results in better products for us at lower prices.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
See my question above. How much faster do you think RX Vega will get between now and launch date? How much faster do you think it will get over its lifetime?Stop trolling. Anyone that have the slightest idea of how a GPU works would not claim that RX VEGA is out or not understanding that there is such a thing called drivers bios etc. The physical RX VEGA is done, but the end specs, the drivers, the bios, the specific gameoptimizations is not. If so AMD would be the first in history to pull that of 1 month before launch. So in other words; You assume alot (negatively) about VEGA that there is not rational argument for. To me you're combining troll/fanboism and poor understanding into a classic shitpost. Some might attack you because of fanboism but alot of people just cant take people saying stupid shit with any proof/information or an educated argument. RejZoR is pretty much spot on in his argument or prediction to the level you should get at. VEGA is a step in AMDs longterm strategy; not a "ok we'll just bind and boost" Says the dude that have had NVIDIA for 10 years but is tired of shitposters that does not add arguments or insight to the discussion.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
Ok 1080 TI is and will always be the fastest. Happy?See my question above. How much faster do you think RX Vega will get between now and launch date? How much faster do you think it will get over its lifetime?
I think 25% over its lifetime is a very optimistic expectation and even that doesn't make it faster than 1080Ti.