AMD RX Vega Mining Performance Reportedly Doubled With Driver Updates

[coolernoob]

that is it. Vega is gone for good. I do not want to read about that crappy "gtx 1070 killer" (soon to be 2 year old by the way) for x2 gtx 1070 price.... obviously there will be reviews that will display msrp price (god I hate those - false information is false information, even if false information should be truth in perfect conditions)

 

[bug]

No, because there is no real way to separate mining from generic gaming compute. That is the crux of the problem.

I think they can. Afaik, mining is mostly about FP64, whereas gaming is about FP32 (or 16). Cut back on FP64 hardware and miners will go away. It's what Nvidia did with Maxwell (though that wasn't directly aimed at miners, it was because they needed to cram additional transistors in there while stuck at 28nm - something simply had to go).

 

[the54thvoid]

Firmware. Is it practical for the graphics card firmware to 'detect' the presence of secondary or more cards? Nvidia could do it to nullify physx if an AMD card was present. Could they not limit the Vega operations to two card max? Or, limit compute when certain software was present on the system?
Hoops to jump through but is it doable?

 

[Vya Domus]

Rest in peace GPU pricing and availability. If this goes on it will end up fucking up also the products themselves not just the pricing and availability. A dark era for PC gaming for sure.

Firmware. Is it practical for the graphics card firmware to 'detect' the presence of secondary or more cards? Nvidia could do it to nullify physx if an AMD card was present. Could they not limit the Vega operations to two card max? Or, limit compute when certain software was present on the system?
Hoops to jump through but is it doable?

I do not believe it's that simple , Physx has a well defined signature , it's easy to block. These random hashing algorithms not so much , I mean by which methods do you filter these things out automatically ? It's not like they can prevent people from running whatever the hell code they want to on their cards.

 

[Vayra86]

LOL at all brainded [....]
Now they just need to figure out how to get 400€ for RX 570 directly to them selves, without feeding retailers.

You don't see the contradiction in what you just posted?

AMD doesn't make shit, the retailers do, the MSRPs are already set.
I suppose you were LOLing at yourself.

 

[FYFI13]

You don't see the contradiction in what you just posted?

AMD doesn't make shit, the retailers do, the MSRPs are already set.
I suppose you were LOLing at yourself.

Wrong. Miners do all shit, not retailers. And AMD enjoying it. Only if AMD wanted they could stop all this mess once and for good.

 

[Vya Domus]

You don't see the contradiction in what you just posted?

AMD doesn't make shit, the retailers do, the MSRPs are already set.
I suppose you were LOLing at yourself.

Exactly they are just simply selling more stuff , and even then it's not that big of a deal.

They have a more or less fixed amount of wafers they can use per yearly contract , if they want more they have to pay more , at which point they start getting diminishing returns. This is what actually fucks up the pricing and availability , you would think they would pump out as many cards as possible but that's not how it works. They simply can't afford to sell an unlimited amount of cards.

 

[Vayra86]

Wrong. Miners do all shit, not retailers. And AMD enjoying it. Only if AMD wanted they could stop all this mess once and for good.

???????? How...wha... do you even English? Please read back your earlier comment and try to connect the dots, I'm not gonna bother explaining further.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Hmm...
$500 for a card doing 30MH/s.
$500 for a "mining mode" that adds another 30MH/s.

That should keep the price for gamers down.
Makes sense?

Nope. They are going to sell out instantly.

I hope AMD is indeed stocking up big time.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Firmware. Is it practical for the graphics card firmware to 'detect' the presence of secondary or more cards? Nvidia could do it to nullify physx if an AMD card was present. Could they not limit the Vega operations to two card max? Or, limit compute when certain software was present on the system?
Hoops to jump through but is it doable?

That would make absolutely no sense.

It is in AMD's best interest to sell more cards. If cards are selling out, the should just produce more cards, not nerf their usefulness. Man I am glad a lot of the people here aren't in charge of businesses lol

 

[dyonoctis]

Thanks god Nvidia isn't as affected by mining as AMD. Otherwise that would have been the death of pc gaming alltogether.
But really, what will happen if ETH value never goes down to being unprofitable, and ASIC like hardware never made for ETH ? If that stuff is reaching bitcoin value, Nvidia being the only accessible option for gaming will do no good. I think that they may really need to make compute cards optimized for mining at a price so attractive, that miners won't touch the gaming gpu at all.

 

[Imsochobo]

Firmware. Is it practical for the graphics card firmware to 'detect' the presence of secondary or more cards? Nvidia could do it to nullify physx if an AMD card was present. Could they not limit the Vega operations to two card max? Or, limit compute when certain software was present on the system?
Hoops to jump through but is it doable?

Good luck blocking it without amd's drivers, and in linux..
Pretty much what miners do.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Thanks god Nvidia isn't as affected by mining as AMD. Otherwise that would have been the death of pc gaming alltogether.
But really, what will happen if ETH value never goes down to being unprofitable, and ASIC like hardware never made for ETH ? If that stuff is reaching bitcoin value, Nvidia being the only accessible option for gaming will do no good. I think that they may really need to make compute cards optimized for mining at a price so attractive, that miners won't touch the gaming gpu at all.

Yes it pretty much has lol. The 1060, 1070, and 1080 Ti are marked up $100 (In fact the 1070 costs the same as the the 1080!).


As for ASIC's... NOPE. Ethereum uses a near perfect mininig algorithm that scales up requirements over time, and makes almost full use of every part of a GPU. The closest thing one could ever get to an Ethereum ASIC is literally Vega lol.

 

[Vya Domus]

Thanks god Nvidia isn't as affected by mining as AMD.

I'd say 450$ 1070s means they are pretty damn affected as well.

 

[Captain_Tom]

I'd say 450$ 1070s means they are pretty damn affected as well.

Most people don't realize the 1070 would normally be $349 by now, the 1080 $479, and the 1080 Ti $629.

 

[Cybrnook2002]

clever marketing AMD, bravo.

 

[dyonoctis]

That would make absolutely no sense.

It is in AMD's best interest to sell more cards. If cards are selling out, the should just produce more cards, not nerf their usefulness. Man I am glad a lot of the people here aren't in charge of businesses lol

Idk man, I wanted to buy a RX570 to replace my old R9 270x but I can't. I have to settle for a gtx 1060 3gb.

And because of the nature of the mining business, they isn't a single partner who want to flood the market with GPU. One of the reason for the The video game krach of 1983 was that they didn't expected the trend to slow down. The market was overflooded with games that nobody would buy. So yhea, while the mining craze is alive making more gpu may looks like a profit, if it's going down the backlash will be hard.

 

[dyonoctis]

Yes it pretty much has lol. The 1060, 1070, and 1080 Ti are marked up $100 (In fact the 1070 costs the same as the the 1080!).


As for ASIC's... NOPE. Ethereum uses a near perfect mininig algorithm that scales up requirements over time, and makes almost full use of every part of a GPU. The closest thing one could ever get to an Ethereum ASIC is literally Vega lol.

In france it's not the case. I can get a GTX 1060 for 229 € and you can find a GTX 1070 in stock for 474€. ( even at launch the 1070 was in the +400 € in france)

 

[the54thvoid]

That would make absolutely no sense.

It is in AMD's best interest to sell more cards. If cards are selling out, the should just produce more cards, not nerf their usefulness. Man I am glad a lot of the people here aren't in charge of businesses lol

I was thinking of how to make things nicer for gamers. My handle on business is quite decent. If i didnt give a shit about gaming, I'd suggest that AMD dont give a shit either and they will be really happy this good mining news has leaked (a story they also used to explain the delay).

FWIW, you yourself constantly berate Nvidia for Pascal being a Maxwell refresh but it's bloody good business, so I suppose it is good neither you nor I are in charge. You'd make Nvidia less profitable and I'd try to help the gamers.

 

[nemesis.ie]

None of this would be an issue if the resellers didn't gouge the prices and the makers can provide sufficient cards for the gaming and mining demand.

If the price stayed at MSRP, the makers would make a killing rather than the gougers.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Most people don't realize the 1070 would normally be $349 by now...

1070s are great miners, so it's no wonder:

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-hardware-reviews.60246/page-31#post-1994478

Nv's margains on that 314mm2 chip must already be pretty great, but luckily they got the cards out to gamers long ago.

 

[Vya Domus]

Again , the issue is AMD can't supply enough , retailer are just cashing in.

 

[jigar2speed]

Wrong. Miners do all shit, not retailers. And AMD enjoying it. Only if AMD wanted they could stop all this mess once and for good.

Awe, someone doesn't understand market 101.

 

[bug]

Awe, someone doesn't understand market 101.

Fwiw, orders for the chips have been placed long ago and prices were more or less settled. Markups will end up mostly in the pockets of retailers and board manufacturers, but those are also the ones that took a risk when placing their orders. It's just business.

 

[dyonoctis]

Even in the US some GTX 1060 are escaping the craze. I really doubt that nvidia would sell them at 119$-129$-179$, if it wasn't for the mining craze. This would have been waaaay too much of a good value, and utterly negating the very existence of gtx 1050-1050ti. Even the cheapest "recent" Rx 570 4 Gb was at 180$ msrp.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126133
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487263