Intel to Debut 8th Generation Core Family on August 21

[LukeCuda]

There are people like that but you are calling a shitstorm on yourself by generalizing people as fanboys.

Let's be forward here, the only Kaby Lake CPU that's worth it is the 7700k if you plan on overclocking it, to only play games, and only expect to get the best performance for a short period. In every other scenario, the 1700, 1700x, or 1800x is simply the better choice.

AMDs are terrible for programmers. the 7700K is the best for programming. single threaded perf rules here.
its not just games where it matters.

 

[AsRock]

Someone spreading hate on the topic in 3, 2, 1...

Hate ?, really all the crap they put AMD though for some 30? ish years now. Gotta expect some hate. Intel dug there own hole by not being creative and just screwing others over.

Anyways.

I will have to see it to believe. Getting ready for another upgrade but don't seem to much of a reason for games. Maybe Intel are going stop dicking everyone around and come up with some thing to challenge AMD with out any BS.

 

[R-T-B]

Stop with this annoying AMD religious hate preaching against Intel. What are you? Jehova's witness? Its becoming really annoying trying to find any constructive comments.

Whats next, you wanna start hanging people for using Intel cpu's? Should i be worried for wanting an i7 7820x?

BTW you couldn't PAY me to use AMD products ever again after getting screwed over TWICE by AMD products.

I'll agree with you, and I even rather like AMD products. The fanboyism exhibited here (such as calling buying ANY brand a moral choice) is just silly.

AMDs are terrible for programmers. the 7700K is the best for programming. single threaded perf rules here.
its not just games where it matters.

Lol, someone hasn't programmed much beyond the basics I'm guessing. GCC -J x threads anyone? I'm sure every compiler has an equivalent as compiling is pretty parallelizable.

The real reason they are terrible for programmers is the frickin' SEGFAULTS they do randomly when doing multithreaded compiles. They SHOULD be f'ing gold at that...

 

[OneCool]

Sweet!! I can't wait for it to come out so I can be broke and not upgrade!!! woohoo

 

[Manu_PT]

Nobody is spreading hate. But buying Intel over AMD is just wrong right now, no matter for what. So what else are people going to talk about on a press release advertising Intel? About how wonderful they are doing?

Idk, maybe if I'd be a professional gamer and had an extra PC only just for gaming and nothing else, Intel would be a good fit. But anybody else who even just has Chrome open besides their game, would be much better off with AMD.

Wrong. Will give 2 examples of 2 things I do most on my PC, and you will tell me wich CPU is better:

1- Playing Quake Champions aiming locked 240fps. R5 1600/1700/1800 3,9ghz and i5 6600k/7600k 4,5ghz give me 150fps on that game with dips to 100fps (gpu bottleneck excluded). 4790k/6700k/7700k 4,5ghz give 240fps locked.

2- Music production. The software DAW I use doesn´t take advantage of more than 4 threads, is all about IPC/clocks. With an overclocked Intel CPU I can mix more tracks (around 30) with heavy plugins from Izotope on it. With Ryzen CPUs it starts to stutter at tha point.

There you go, everyone is different and have different needs. When AMD can get higher clocks we can talk again. Until then, no, Ryzen is not the best solution for everyone. Open your mind.

 

[Imsochobo]

I'll agree with you, and I even rather like AMD products. The fanboyism exhibited here (such as calling buying ANY brand a moral choice) is just silly.



Lol, someone hasn't programmed much beyond the basics I'm guessing. GCC -J x threads anyone? I'm sure every compiler has an equivalent as compiling is pretty parallelizable.

The real reason they are terrible for programmers is the frickin' SEGFAULTS they do randomly when doing multithreaded compiles. They SHOULD be f'ing gold at that...

Currently they'll RMA it, by far 1000 times better than my previous issue I had with a cpu (Intel)
They were quick(er) thus I wudn't scream too loud about it, it's certainly meh to replace the cpu for those immediately affected.

I told em I can wait as my xeon system can do the compiling for now as it's something I don't do as a sport

 

[Basard]

Wrong. Will give 2 examples of 2 things I do most on my PC, and you will tell me wich CPU is better:

1- Playing Quake Champions aiming locked 240fps. R5 1600/1700/1800 3,9ghz and i5 6600k/7600k 4,5ghz give me 150fps on that game with dips to 100fps (gpu bottleneck excluded). 4790k/6700k/7700k 4,5ghz give 240fps locked.

2- Music production. The software DAW I use doesn´t take advantage of more than 4 threads, is all about IPC/clocks. With an overclocked Intel CPU I can mix more tracks (around 30) with heavy plugins from Izotope on it. With Ryzen CPUs it starts to stutter at tha point.

There you go, everyone is different and have different needs. When AMD can get higher clocks we can talk again. Until then, no, Ryzen is not the best solution for everyone. Open your mind.

I just play Rocket League at 60fps.... lol... And...... that's pretty much it.

 

[B-Real]

Stop with this annoying AMD religious hate preaching against Intel. What are you? Jehova's witness? Its becoming really annoying trying to find any constructive comments.

Whats next, you wanna start hanging people for using Intel cpu's? Should i be worried for wanting an i7 7820x?

BTW you couldn't PAY me to use AMD products ever again after getting screwed over TWICE by AMD products.

Even Intel's own numbers show that their 1700$ CPU is 6% faster than the 1000$ 1950X TR. 6% extra performance for over 70%. Now, that's what you should await of Intel CPUs.

It seems Intel is just flustering, getting 3 generations (Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, and we get the X CPUs) in 2 years' time, getting to 6 core at midrange (i5) just after Ryzen arrived.

Intel need to drop prices or they may lose a big market share until the arrival of Cannonlake.

 

[bug]

You mean, sandy bridge 5.5?

I don't even know what's lamer. The fact that for several generations Intel didn't even try (they did, but shifted focus to laptops and such) or that it took Intel standing still for 12 years for AMD to catch up.

 

[Fouquin]

The real reason they are terrible for programmers is the frickin' SEGFAULTS they do randomly when doing multithreaded compiles. They SHOULD be f'ing gold at that...

Supposedly patched a bit since AGESA 1.0.0.6a and a minor tweaking of the SoC Voltage. I've heard 1.18v does the trick.

 

[ZoneDymo]

lol intel

 

[trparky]

By the same token companies should never release new slightly better products within 24 months after release.

I would like to say that to the car companies. Good God, it's the same damn car but with a new model year slapped on it.

Last but not least anyone who has replaced their working Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge/Haswell/SkyLake systems with equivalent (the same core/threads count) Kaby Lake CPUs is indeed an idiot unless the said person absolutely couldn't live without new platform features (NVMe/M.2/USB-C/etc.).

That's me right now. I'd love to build a new system but there's no reason to. What I have still works.

But buying Intel over AMD is just wrong right now

Says you!

More cores and cheaper = better for 99% of people.

Not when single threaded core performance is less than that of Intel.

AMD is better for 99% of people right now.

Nope, not even close. Especially for those of us who are using older software that'll never see any kind of multi-core performance optimizations.

When AMD can get higher clocks we can talk again. Until then, no, Ryzen is not the best solution for everyone. Open your mind.

This man speaks truth!

 

[Dave65]

Someone spreading hate on the topic in 3, 2, 1...

Drama Queen much?

 

[PowerPC]

Wrong. Will give 2 examples of 2 things I do most on my PC, and you will tell me wich CPU is better:

1- Playing Quake Champions aiming locked 240fps. R5 1600/1700/1800 3,9ghz and i5 6600k/7600k 4,5ghz give me 150fps on that game with dips to 100fps (gpu bottleneck excluded). 4790k/6700k/7700k 4,5ghz give 240fps locked.

2- Music production. The software DAW I use doesn´t take advantage of more than 4 threads, is all about IPC/clocks. With an overclocked Intel CPU I can mix more tracks (around 30) with heavy plugins from Izotope on it. With Ryzen CPUs it starts to stutter at tha point.

There you go, everyone is different and have different needs. When AMD can get higher clocks we can talk again. Until then, no, Ryzen is not the best solution for everyone. Open your mind.

I'll grant you your first point, but again, this goes back to my professional gamer example who does nothing but game all day. Sorry, but most people don't even have or need a 240 Hz Monitor for gaming right now. It's too expensive and the benefit is only there if you actually use it all day, like a professional gamer. So you're around 1% of people like that.

The second point is not the way you use a CPU when you work at a computer. Productivity is key and having multiple programs open that benefit from more cores/threads is all that matters. People don't use only one program as you're describing here. What if you just open Chrome, Photoshop and something else at the same time? That kind of parallelism will all benefit from more threads and it's how 99% of people actually use a computer.

 

[Camm]

Being serious for a sec, is cannon\coffee moving to a mesh and way from a ringbus interconnect?

Reason being is its been painfully obvious that ringbus latency increases fairly dramatically over 4 cores, hurting IPC rather badly, but most of the reason for Intel's huge IPC in quad cores is from how insanely clockable the ring bus is.

 

[PowerPC]

The real reason they are terrible for programmers is the frickin' SEGFAULTS they do randomly when doing multithreaded compiles. They SHOULD be f'ing gold at that...

What is the reason for those, what I assume are errors? Could you explain for someone who isn't that deep into programming, but still would like to know?

Are you maybe talking about this issue?
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-confirms-rare-ryzen-smt-bug-and-fix

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Hmmmmmm. Just waiting in pricing of the 6 core and my might sell off my stuff and do a new build. Was going to get a new case and redo my wzter cooling loop but maybe i can swing upgrading platforms too.

 

[R-T-B]

What is the reason for those, what I assume are errors? Could you explain for someone who isn't that deep into programming, but still would like to know?

Are you maybe talking about this issue?
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-confirms-rare-ryzen-smt-bug-and-fix

Yep, that is it and it is hardly rare in a source based development os like gentoo.

That said, interestingly just upping my SOC voltage to 1.15v fixed it for me... Maybe just needs a board voltage tweak.

Currently they'll RMA it, by far 1000 times better than my previous issue I had with a cpu (Intel)
They were quick(er) thus I wudn't scream too loud about it, it's certainly meh to replace the cpu for those immediately affected.

I told em I can wait as my xeon system can do the compiling for now as it's something I don't do as a sport

I've yet to read more than 2 reports of the RMA'd cpus fixing anything though. Of those reports, one even later rediscovered the same issue.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Nobody is spreading hate. But buying Intel over AMD is just wrong right now, no matter for what. So what else are people going to talk about on a press release advertising Intel? About how wonderful they are doing?

Idk, maybe if I'd be a professional gamer and had an extra PC only just for gaming and nothing else, Intel would be a good fit. But anybody else who even just has Chrome open besides their game, would be much better off with AMD.

Oh here we fucking go.....

 

[Hood]

They didn´t even let me count from 3 to 1, started immediatly bashing Intel. I love the fact AMD is competitive again, but this recent hate towards Intel and nvidia on every article is getting ridiculous.

It's because all their recent bragging is basically empty arguments and fake stats. Ryzen/TR have their place, but only for the 5% who create/edit/stream large video files and a few professional scientists, but even these people would be better served by an i9, if they can afford it. Intel is still the best option for most people and Ryzen worshipers hate it, hence the constant spewing of hatred.

Damn Intel is so messed up right now. Seems like a full on panic mode.

What, are you talking about? Just because they keep releasing the absolute best and fastest CPUs in every price segment? And performance/price is rapidly increasing across the board at Intel, even on the traditionally ultra-expensive HEDT platform. Yeah, that's SO messed up. It's not panic, bro, it's laughter, as in "let's release some more fast CPUs that marginalize Ryzen even further than it already is, we'll have a another good laugh at their expense, while making a ton of money".

 

[Hood]

Its not about being a fan boy. But when you buy a top of the line product spending hundreds of dollars, you expect to be able to brag about it for a while and feel satisfied that your PC is one of the fastest out there. But if Intel keeps dropping new CPUs every 6 months, and specially when they only add 2-5% performance each generation, it is an insult to the buyer. Maybe not performance wise, but the systems so feel ancient by the naming schemes. You could be within 10% of the performance of the latest CPU but be 3 generations old.

To add more insult, the chipsets change with every CPU generations, so we cannot even upgrade. That sucks.

There hasn't been much innovation since SandyBridge, and we have 5 chipset revisions since then.

People who worry about stuff like that deserve what they get. I love the fact that my 3 year old Haswell CPU is still #3 on the Passmark list of best single-core performance, just below 7700K and 7740X, I'm not mad because it's not the fastest, or because the new ones could be faster than they are, that would just be stupid. As you grow up you get over that crap and stop worrying about what others have - enjoy what you have until it's time to upgrade, and hopefully by then you'll know more about how to pick the right one.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Is funny how my Gen 3 CPU I'm still running, is almost on the same performance level when clocked a little higher.

 

[trparky]

@Prima.Vera , that's what I have found out too. Overclocking my Core i5 3570k up from the stock speed of 3.4 GHz to 4.4 GHz puts it damn close to that of a Kaby Lake Core i5 in terms of performance. Amazing what a little overclocking can do.

 

[LukeCuda]

Lol, someone hasn't programmed much beyond the basics I'm guessing. GCC -J x threads anyone? I'm sure every compiler has an equivalent as compiling is pretty parallelizable.

The real reason they are terrible for programmers is the frickin' SEGFAULTS they do randomly when doing multithreaded compiles. They SHOULD be f'ing gold at that...

its because the compiler wont parallel more than a few projects due to dependencies. so a fast quad core beats any-core of slower IPC. its easy enough to benchmark so its not really up for debate for my uses.

if youre compiling a linux dist though ryzen 1800x wins!: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-1800x-linux&num=5

if youre compiling chromium, intel wins!: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550...core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested/14

and to push the point further, here is another one with Intel winning: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600X/8.html

 

[R-T-B]

Supposedly patched a bit since AGESA 1.0.0.6a and a minor tweaking of the SoC Voltage. I've heard 1.18v does the trick.

Yeah, seemed to do the trick for me, but I am about to run a test suite specifically designed to produce the problem. Fingers crossed...

if youre compiling chromium, intel wins!: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested/1

First you make comparisons to a quadcore part, then you post the i9 series review and claim intel "wins at chromium?"

Well no shit, you are talking 6-core and 8-core parts son.

Besides, in terms of standard open source projects, chromium is a pretty mixed workload.