• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD to Give Away Adobe Creative Cloud Subscriptions and Games with Pre-builts

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
47,201 (7.56/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
AMD is preparing to extend its tradition of giving away games with its hardware; to productivity apps. In a bid to boost sales of pre-built desktops and notebooks that feature AMD processors and/or graphics cards, the company is giving away Adobe Creative Cloud subscriptions, besides games by Square Enix.

The new "AMD4U" offer by the company, which is limited to certain products sold through participating retailers, gives you up to three games by Square Enix, and/or a 2-month Adobe Creative Cloud subscription, or a 3-month subscription to Adobe Creative Cloud Photography plan. The combinations of what you get is decided by what product you buy. Something like a high-end gaming notebook, which features both a Ryzen processor, and Radeon RX 500-series graphics, should give you both games and CC subscription, while value desktops should feature any one of them. Find details in the source link below.



View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
3,595 (1.17/day)
Not selling very well? :)

Rubbish promo. 2 months subscription? Seriously?
I can't stop thinking the only point of this is for geeks to benchmark they'll "productivity" PCs.

Also, I kind of hoped for Bethesda bundles, not Square Enix. Again, why this studio? Because some of their games work better with AMD gear?
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2017
Messages
688 (0.24/day)
Not selling very well? :)

Rubbish promo. 2 months subscription? Seriously?
I can't stop thinking the only point of this is for geeks to benchmark they'll "productivity" PCs.

Also, I kind of hoped for Bethesda bundles, not Square Enix. Again, why this studio? Because some of their games work better with AMD gear?
So when NVidia is giving game promotions it means it is not selling very well. LOL, what a conclusion. They have a contract with Bethesda, but Square Enix not only released Hitman or Deus Ex (which run better on Radeons), but also Rise of the TR which runs better or NV or Final Fantasy XV which is a GameWorks title.
 
Last edited:

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,735 (3.97/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Selling users into new subscriptions is the new(ish) trend for sales. That's all.
 
Joined
Jan 5, 2006
Messages
18,584 (2.70/day)
System Name AlderLake
Processor Intel i7 12700K P-Cores @ 5Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme + 5 case fans
Memory 32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6000MT/s CL36
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Evo 500GB + 850 Pro 512GB + 860 Evo 1TB x2
Display(s) 23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p
Case Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window
Audio Device(s) Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533
Power Supply Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless
Keyboard RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock
Selling users into new subscriptions is the new(ish) trend for sales. That's all.

Just as all OEM computers in my country come with "free" M$ Office and anti virus....Just free for the first 6 months to maximum a year that is...:shadedshu:

No thanks....
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,735 (3.97/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Just as all OEM computers in my country come with "free" M$ Office and anti virus....Just free for the first 6 months to maximum a year that is...:shadedshu:

No thanks....
Eh, just the other day my GSM provider tried to sell me (again) an additional data plan. So you see, this more widespread than just computers.

There's also smartphones coming with "free" Dropbox/OneDrive storage and crap.
 
Joined
Jan 5, 2006
Messages
18,584 (2.70/day)
System Name AlderLake
Processor Intel i7 12700K P-Cores @ 5Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme + 5 case fans
Memory 32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6000MT/s CL36
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Evo 500GB + 850 Pro 512GB + 860 Evo 1TB x2
Display(s) 23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p
Case Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window
Audio Device(s) Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533
Power Supply Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless
Keyboard RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock
Eh, just the other day my GSM provider tried to sell me (again) an additional data plan. So you see, this more widespread than just computers.

There's also smartphones coming with "free" Dropbox/OneDrive storage and crap.

Yeah, I hate that.
 
Joined
Jul 18, 2007
Messages
2,693 (0.43/day)
System Name panda
Processor 6700k
Motherboard sabertooth s
Cooling raystorm block<black ice stealth 240 rad<ek dcc 18w 140 xres
Memory 32gb ripjaw v
Video Card(s) 290x gamer<ntzx g10<antec 920
Storage 950 pro 250gb boot 850 evo pr0n
Display(s) QX2710LED@110hz lg 27ud68p
Case 540 Air
Audio Device(s) nope
Power Supply 750w superflower
Mouse g502
Keyboard shine 3 with grey, black and red caps
Software win 10
Benchmark Scores http://hwbot.org/user/marsey99/
shows who the real target market is.
 

the54thvoid

Super Intoxicated Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 14, 2009
Messages
13,025 (2.39/day)
Location
Glasgow - home of formal profanity
Processor Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard MSI MAG Mortar B650 (wifi)
Cooling be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4
Memory 32GB Kingston Fury
Video Card(s) Gainward RTX4070ti
Storage Seagate FireCuda 530 M.2 1TB / Samsumg 960 Pro M.2 512Gb
Display(s) LG 32" 165Hz 1440p GSYNC
Case Asus Prime AP201
Audio Device(s) On Board
Power Supply be quiet! Pure POwer M12 850w Gold (ATX3.0)
Software W10
Strange seeing a poll added. I voted' no' but that is because like many other things it's just standard PR (which tech sites must post to stay relevant).
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
19,490 (2.85/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name White DJ in Detroit
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + Sony MDR-10RC, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
Just as all OEM computers in my country come with "free" M$ Office and anti virus....Just free for the first 6 months to maximum a year that is...:shadedshu:

No thanks....

Office 365 can be a decent deal actually. Real Excel and Word (LibreOffice calc is awful) and Outlook (which always was part of a more expensive Office suite) across five devices and 1TB Onedrive storage for €90ish a year. That's less than WoW. And getting six months for free is never a bad thing.

SAAS is here to stay, and it's not all bad IMO. Have fun setting up your servers so you have data parity across a bunch of different devices and have the same software on all of them to boot.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,735 (3.97/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Office 365 can be a decent deal actually. Real Excel and Word (LibreOffice calc is awful) and Outlook (which always was part of a more expensive Office suite) across five devices and 1TB Onedrive storage for €90ish a year. That's less than WoW. And getting six months for free is never a bad thing.

SAAS is here to stay, and it's not all bad IMO. Have fun setting up your servers so you have data parity across a bunch of different devices and have the same software on all of them to boot.
It can be a decent deal, but for very few people. I haven't had the need to open Microsoft Office in over 5 years. Everything I need I can do in Google Docs. So for me, the deal is €450 more in my pocket.
 
Joined
Aug 17, 2017
Messages
8 (0.00/day)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 3700X w/ EK block
Motherboard MSI MEG X570 ACE
Cooling Custom liquid loop
Memory 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 3600
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio w/ EK block
Storage 2TB Corsair MP600, 2TB Intel 660p
Display(s) ASUS PG35VQ
Case Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL
Audio Device(s) Audioengine D1 DAC, A5+ speakers, S8 subwoofer
Power Supply Corsair HX850i
Mouse Razer Basilisk Ultimate
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow
Both poll options are 'no.' Is that on purpose?
 
Joined
Jan 5, 2006
Messages
18,584 (2.70/day)
System Name AlderLake
Processor Intel i7 12700K P-Cores @ 5Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme + 5 case fans
Memory 32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6000MT/s CL36
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Evo 500GB + 850 Pro 512GB + 860 Evo 1TB x2
Display(s) 23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p
Case Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window
Audio Device(s) Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533
Power Supply Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless
Keyboard RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock
Strange seeing a poll added.

Both poll options

What POLL LOL!!!!?

Capture.JPG
 
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
3,595 (1.17/day)
So when NVidia is giving game promotions it means it is not selling very well.
Both companies are giving game bundles, I find this OK (although AMD seems to give a lot more this time).
I'm way more interested in the Adobe part. Sometimes camera manufacturers bundle Adobe software (or a different paid one), but that's either a lifetime license or a fairly useful 12-month subscription.
2 or 3 months is good for what? You'll suddenly decide you want to be a photographer?
On the other hand, it seems pretty pointless for Adobe, so this only leaves an option that AMD wanted this to happen.

They have a contract with Bethesda, but Square Enix not only released Hitman or Deus Ex (which run better on Radeons), but also Rise of the TR which runs better or NV or Final Fantasy XV which is a GameWorks title.
Actually RoTR seems better on AMD according to tests that I've seen.
Check RX580 vs 1060 vs 980Ti here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/21.html
(average scores: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/30.html)
But sure, it's not as obvious as with Hitman.

It can be a decent deal, but for very few people. I haven't had the need to open Microsoft Office in over 5 years. Everything I need I can do in Google Docs. So for me, the deal is €450 more in my pocket.
Very few?
Basically all students will find it useful (if not essential). Then we have that "very few people" who use MS Office at work and might want to have it at home as well - we're talking hundreds of millions worldwide (possibly more than 10% of population in developed countries)...

And as it was already pointed out: even if you don't need any of Office's applications, it's still possibly the cheapest cloud storage.
In Europe a 5-user license costs €100 yearly. Of course you can use few of them yourself. Each one comes with 1TB storage.
So I've just checked Dropbox and a single 1TB account costs... €99. :-D
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,735 (3.97/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Very few?
Basically all students will find it useful (if not essential). Then we have that "very few people" who use MS Office at work and might want to have it at home as well - we're talking hundreds of millions worldwide (possibly more than 10% of population in developed countries)...

And as it was already pointed out: even if you don't need any of Office's applications, it's still possibly the cheapest cloud storage.
In Europe a 5-user license costs €100 yearly. Of course you can use few of them yourself. Each one comes with 1TB storage.
So I've just checked Dropbox and a single 1TB account costs... €99. :-D

I went through college without Office just fine. I used it for my diploma paper, but only because OpenOffice really sucked back then. As for you counting people that "might want to have it at home as well" into those millions... I'll pretend I didn't see that.
Office is a nice piece of software for... office use. For home use, you really don't need 90% of the functionality it offers while alternatives become increasingly more attractive.
 
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
3,595 (1.17/day)
I went through college without Office just fine.
Maybe you simply studied something that didn't need it?
People doing all kind of economic / financial / business courses are using Excel, because that's the main tool in the industry. It can't be replaced by anything else (not just because everything else really sucks).

I also haven't used MS Office during my studies (I've used LaTeX for the thesis, obviously :-D), but I did use it at home. Today I use even more and for all kinds of things - from research to planning shopping.
As for you counting people that "might want to have it at home as well" into those millions... I'll pretend I didn't see that.
What's wrong with that? You've never wanted to finish something from work? Or improve your skills in the tool you're working with? Or you're just so used to the tool you're looking at for those 8+ hours a day, that learning something else seems pointless?
If I was a programmer, I would use the same IDE that I use at work. If I was a data scientist or database admin, I would use the same database. If I was a cook, I'd use the same pans. Why make things harder?
Office is a nice piece of software for... office use. For home use, you really don't need 90% of the functionality it offers while alternatives become increasingly more attractive.
I find the "90%" argument pretty bonkers. How much potential of your PC do you use most of the time? E.g. during writing posts on TPU?
We don't buy computers and software for what we need most of the time. We buy them for the potential they offer => for the things that they make possible.

And of course it all depends on what you use it at home for.
Excel is simply the only spreadsheet that works. "Alternatives" are so lame and slow that they're really only good for simple and tiny calculations. I couldn't have used anything else for my home stuff.
Other applications in the package are more or less replaceable, but still: if you're used to their interfaces from work (I use Word and PP for around 1h/day each, on average), why learn anything else? And of course MS Office apps are quite well integrated - something that really can't be said about free alternatives...

Sure, Office is a paid option, but it's money you spend also on not having to learn anything else. :)
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,735 (3.97/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Maybe you simply studied something that didn't need it?
People doing all kind of economic / financial / business courses are using Excel, because that's the main tool in the industry. It can't be replaced by anything else (not just because everything else really sucks).

I also haven't used MS Office during my studies (I've used LaTeX for the thesis, obviously :-D), but I did use it at home. Today I use even more and for all kinds of things - from research to planning shopping.

So you went from "Basically all students will find it useful (if not essential)" to some students absolutely need Excel. I guess you're starting to see my point of view.

What's wrong with that? You've never wanted to finish something from work? Or improve your skills in the tool you're working with? Or you're just so used to the tool you're looking at for those 8+ hours a day, that learning something else seems pointless?
If I was a programmer, I would use the same IDE that I use at work. If I was a data scientist or database admin, I would use the same database. If I was a cook, I'd use the same pans. Why make things harder?

If it's work related, my employer should pay for the licence. Totally unrelated topic.
I agree with you on the IDE argument. Unfortunately my employers always go for free IDEs (productivity be damned), so I don't need to pay for an IDE to improve my skills.

I find the "90%" argument pretty bonkers. How much potential of your PC do you use most of the time? E.g. during writing posts on TPU?
We don't buy computers and software for what we need most of the time. We buy them for the potential they offer => for the things that they make possible.

Most people don't buy Office for its potential, because they don't even know what potential is there. Try to ask people to see how many know to generate ToC in Word (maybe 50%) or know how to define a style (less than 10%). And these are some of the more useful features.

And of course it all depends on what you use it at home for.
Excel is simply the only spreadsheet that works. "Alternatives" are so lame and slow that they're really only good for simple and tiny calculations. I couldn't have used anything else for my home stuff.
Other applications in the package are more or less replaceable, but still: if you're used to their interfaces from work (I use Word and PP for around 1h/day each, on average), why learn anything else? And of course MS Office apps are quite well integrated - something that really can't be said about free alternatives...

Sure, Office is a paid option, but it's money you spend also on not having to learn anything else. :)

And again your argument hinges on people needing to do advanced stuff in Excel.
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
19,490 (2.85/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name White DJ in Detroit
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + Sony MDR-10RC, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
And again your argument hinges on people needing to do advanced stuff in Excel.

The only thing I do is simple tables (fof various stuff in Aurora), and already Excel is so much nicer to use. Whenever I sit with Libreoffice (which I even do at home right now) I miss Excel. Just making lines around things is annoying in Libre.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,735 (3.97/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
The only thing I do is simple tables (fof various stuff in Aurora), and already Excel is so much nicer to use. Whenever I sit with Libreoffice (which I even do at home right now) I miss Excel. Just making lines around things is annoying in Libre.
I don't know about Libre, I seldom open that. Google Docs has been my go to solution for a while now. And again, because I don't need fancy stuff, if that were the case, it probably wouldn't cut it.
 
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
3,595 (1.17/day)
So you went from "Basically all students will find it useful (if not essential)" to some students absolutely need Excel. I guess you're starting to see my point of view.
Nope. All students will find it useful in a way: Word is great for essays or reports, Excel is great for all math-related stuff and PP is great for presentations. And every once in a while a student has to do a presentation for a seminar or something.
Sure, you don't need MS Office for those things, but they're the most polished and easiest to use variants. This becomes even more important if you're not very experienced and you just want a tool to do the job.

If it's work related, my employer should pay for the licence. Totally unrelated topic.
If you're required to work at home, he should provide the tools. But if you just want to finish something (which is not legal on a home license - BTW) or train, he won't. And honestly, it's very unlikely that you'd be given time during working hours to just practice your Excel skills or something.
I agree with you on the IDE argument. Unfortunately my employers always go for free IDEs (productivity be damned), so I don't need to pay for an IDE to improve my skills.
So maybe you just underestimate the importance of MS Office? I knew switching to something "more serious" will do the job. :p

And again your argument hinges on people needing to do advanced stuff in Excel.
Define "advanced".
Yes, some people (even doing typical financial jobs at banks and insurers) use Excel just for data input and simple algebraic operations. Even something as basic as vlookup makes them confused.
But in time every person will get to know something useful - mostly thanks to how easy to use Excel is.
Example? It's quite easy to teach someone using pivots. And it is easy, because of how really well they're implemented in Excel. Other suites (both paid and free) are nowhere near. Current LibreOffice implementation reminds me of Excel 97.
But I've just checked Google Sheets and pivots there are easily the worst I've seen, ever. Even the first implementations (by Lotus in early 90s) were better. It's just like if pivot was some experimental feature: hidden deeply in the menu and unneeded. Totally shocking. :eek:

But it's not even the "advanced" analytical stuff that is easier or more powerful in Excel. As @Frick pointed out: it's also the basic stuff like formatting tables.
I've been using Excel for around 20 years and I've experienced the evolution that they invested in to make this the most comfortable spreadsheet available. And you can really see that most of the features are beautifully polished.
But occasionally I have to use a free alternative and the simple fact is: they don't change at all. They all look and feel (and perform...) like Excel did when phone display resolution was measured in lines of text.
I guess you might be more of a gamer than a number cruncher, so how would you feel if a game released in 2017 look like that from 2000? It's not like old games aren't playable or fun, but it's not what you'd expect, right?
 
Top