AMD To Change Suppliers for Vega 20 GPUs on 7nm, HBM2 Packaging for Vega 11

[silentbogo]

I give up too , no idea how this ended up being so hard to figure out. I suppose this goes all the way back to 1 year ago when there were leaks about Vega 10 and 11 and people just sort of assumed that Vega 64 and 56 correspond to that.

Vega 10 is what we have today as a magical and mysterious Vega64/56, a card that's meant to supersede Fury lineup.
Vega 11 is a future Polaris replacement w/ 6144 shader units at the top.
Vega 20 is an even "futurer" replacement-replacement to Vega 10.

This is AMD's fault too, mostly for announcing a shitton of stuff simultaneously ahead of time with some over-optimistic time tables. If you've given up on keeping up with Kardashians Vega a few month ago, you expect Vega 10 to be already out and Vega 11 also being almost available or very near release date. Hence the confusion. I'm personally only familiar with some Vega news only thanks to too much free time, outrageous headlines on the internet, and my follow-up tantrums about it.

 

[Vya Domus]

This is AMD's fault too, mostly for announcing a shitton of stuff simultaneously ahead of time with some over-optimistic time tables.

Except AMD never referred to any kind of "Vega 11" GPU officially as far as I know. Every one knew it was just one fully enabled GPU and one with some shaders disabled. How some made the conclusion that one of them is Vega 11 is beyond me. I simply fail to see how this is anymore confusing than any previous lineup from both AMD and Nvidia.

This leaked image dates all the way back to April 2016 and even then there was no mention of Vega 11.

If you've given up on keeping up with Kardashians Vega a few month ago, you expect Vega 10 to be already out and Vega 11 also being almost available or very near release date. Hence the confusion.

Well there you have it. It's about people not paying enough attention just as I said and the little attention that they had was aimed towards rumors. Can't blame that on AMD.

 

[efikkan]

Vega 10 is what we have today as a magical and mysterious Vega64/56, a card that's meant to supersede Fury lineup.
Vega 11 is a future Polaris replacement w/ 6044 shader units at the top.
Vega 20 is an even "futurer" replacement-replacement to Vega 10.

I think you mean Vega 11 will have ~2560-3072 shader units.
Vega 20 is a compute/professional chip with more fp64 resources and possibly more memory controllers.

AMD never referred to any kind of "Vega 11" GPU officially as far as I know.

We know they have planned a Vega 11 GPU based on EEC filings.
But there is still very little information on it, which probably indicates that the release is not imminent.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

WTF?
I give up.
I guess you have to be this geek or nerd or whatever thing to understand this shit. I have better things to do in my life than memorizing cryptic and confusing hardware names.

Someone didn't get his snack pack with his bagged lunch on that day. See ya.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Not much point in a Vega 11 when Vega56 holds its own against GTX 1070 and Polaris 20 holds its own to GTX 1060. If Vega 11 does exist, it may have a GDDR5X or GDDR6 controller instead of HBM. About the only reason I can think of for it to exist.

It's Vega 20 that's more interesting. Specifically, is it something they'll repackage to challenge the GTX 1080 Ti or is it going to be specifically aimed at Volta. I'm thinking the latter.

 

[StrayKAT]

Not much point in a Vega 11 when Vega56 holds its own against GTX 1070 and Polaris 20 holds its own to GTX 1060. If Vega 11 does exist, it may have a GDDR5X or GDDR6 controller instead of HBM. About the only reason I can think of for it to exist.

It's Vega 20 that's more interesting. Specifically, is it something they'll repackage to challenge the GTX 1080 Ti or is it going to be specifically aimed at Volta. I'm thinking the latter.

Those 580s are pretty inflated now... and the 1060 is only slightly more tolerable now too. There's just not any point in any of them (if you didn't buy them at the right time). It's almost time to forget about all of these chips soon enough (even though they're decent). Only 1080 and up.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Those 580s are pretty inflated now... and the 1060 is only slightly more tolerable now too. There's just not any point in any of them (if you didn't buy them at the right time). It's almost time to forget about all of these chips soon enough (even though they're decent). Only 1080 and up.

I usually say a 1080 is a mid tier, almost high but the only 1080ti is a high end card. Especially when the price gap was around $300 between the two.

 

[jabbadap]

Not much point in a Vega 11 when Vega56 holds its own against GTX 1070 and Polaris 20 holds its own to GTX 1060. If Vega 11 does exist, it may have a GDDR5X or GDDR6 controller instead of HBM. About the only reason I can think of for it to exist.

It's Vega 20 that's more interesting. Specifically, is it something they'll repackage to challenge the GTX 1080 Ti or is it going to be specifically aimed at Volta. I'm thinking the latter.

Well direct replacement for polaris 20 with updated DirectX12.1 support and higher overclockability. AMD has done it before Tahiti->Tonga, two gcn chips with same core configs. Of course slap some faster gddr5x/gddr6 memory on the equation and it should be quite good performance uplift from RX 580.

 

[efikkan]

Not much point in a Vega 11 when Vega56 holds its own against GTX 1070 and Polaris 20 holds its own to GTX 1060. If Vega 11 does exist, it may have a GDDR5X or GDDR6 controller instead of HBM. About the only reason I can think of for it to exist.

There is a large gap between GTX 1060/RX 580 and GTX 1070/Vega 56 for anyone to fill. And keep in mind Volta will nearly be here by the time Vega 11 arrives, so it will be competing with "GTX 2060", so Vega 11 will replace Polaris in the lower-mid and low-end range.

It's Vega 20 that's more interesting. Specifically, is it something they'll repackage to challenge the GTX 1080 Ti or is it going to be specifically aimed at Volta. I'm thinking the latter.

It's a chip targeting Quadro and Tesla, it might not even show up in a consumer card.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Fiji ended up in Radeon Pro Duo and Radeon Instinct cards. AMD doesn't tend to produce a lot of silicon variations because they fundamentally don't nerf their chips.

Those 580s are pretty inflated now... and the 1060 is only slightly more tolerable now too. There's just not any point in any of them (if you didn't buy them at the right time). It's almost time to forget about all of these chips soon enough (even though they're decent). Only 1080 and up.

Adding another Vega card won't fix that. Countries banning cryptocurrencies will.

 

[efikkan]

Vega 20 will be a fp64 GPU for professional use:

It seems to be a node shrink of Vega 10 with extra fp64 resources and double memory bandwidth/capacity.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Global Foundries can't be that close to 7nm, can they? I sense delays. And we're talking a year away yet. If AMD really has nothing to offer between and now and then...damn.

 

[efikkan]

Global Foundries can't be that close to 7nm, can they? I sense delays. And we're talking a year away yet. If AMD really has nothing too offer between and now and then...damn.

These leaks (if genuine) were optimistic estimates made a long time ago. There is no guarantee these chips will be made by Global Foundries either.