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ZOTAC Avoids NVIDIA GTX 1070 Ti Factory Overclocking Restrictions via OC Profile

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Hard mods can only get you so far , without control over the frequency curve and power limit you are indeed artificially limited.
 
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Those who hard mod are generally able to get a hold of software with increased limits... one way of doing it. Some hard mods bypass the power limits and trick the VR's too.

It's not 'magic' which allows for the extreme frequencies we see from the sub-ambient modders. ;)

Anyway, its not much different than AMD's limitations either. Aren't they are hard locked at "+50" or something? I haven't had a chance to play with Vega, just saw SS... But yeah, same thing.
 
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Hard mods can only get you so far , without control over the frequency curve and power limit you are indeed artificially limited.

Uhm those hard mods removes power limits or what ever limit one want to remove from the card. Why on earth one would void his warranty and do a hard mod, without any actual benefit?
 
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Uhm those hard mods removes power limits or what ever limit one want to remove from the card. Why on earth one would void his warranty and do a hard mod, without any actual benefit?

You can fuck with the board as much as you want , the BIOS remains locked. There are plenty limitations which simply cannot be bypassed without modding it or the driver (which are both locked ). Which is probably the reason why there isn't any benefit or a very limited amount of it . Anyway it doesn't matter , AMD started doing the same thing , BIOS modding for the consumer wont be a thing anymore.
 
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You can fuck with the board as much as you want , the BIOS remains locked. There are plenty limitations which simply cannot be bypassed without modding it or the driver (which are both locked ). Which is probably the reason why there isn't any benefit or a very limited amount of it . Anyway it doesn't matter , AMD started doing the same thing , BIOS modding for the consumer wont be a thing anymore.

Could you be more specified? Bios set limitations are monitored with real hardware sensing components. Hardware mods are made to manipulate those sensor readings, thus bios still believe that it's working within set limits. And I don't buy it that there's some hard frequency limit in bios, because with same mods one can OC to 2.5GHz under LN2.
 
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I give up.

BIOS modding does nothing , got it.
 
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Inb4 Nvidia tries selling cards at low stock clocks just above AMD cards, disallow selling of factory overclocked cards and call them "Best overclocking GPU's in the world". Cracks me up. Their marketing is really great isn't it? Ermagerd, look at what our GPU boost (gimp) 3000 can do!

Their top-tier GPU's are so much ahead of RTG they are limiting the overclocking on purpose since Maxwell. There are other reasons to do it, but this is setting the stage for graphics cards in the foreseeable future. Now cards start to throttle at 70c, what the hell!? What happened to being able to run into 90-100c, run full clocks and be completely fine... It would be more appropriate to be able to turn off these "safety" measures. I don't like how graphics card overclocking is being treated.

I can imagine Volta already having marginal improvements over Pascal in performance when they lock true performance behind a pay-wall. They're just going to boast how performance-per-watt is the holy grail (again) when they put HBM on the die and blow mist into people's eyes.

Not that ranting in a forum helps anyway.

Eh. News flash: It is exactly the awesome implementation and refinements of GPU Boost, and Intel's Turbo for CPUs, that are instrumental in their performance/watt dominance and for Nvidia in securing itself as market leader. Giving AMD a thumbs up for their crappy, half functional implementation of fine grained frequency tuning (until they came up with Ryzen, which does exactly the same but strangely, that's OK or something?) especially on their GPUs is so fundamentally wrong. You're basically praising AMD for not developing and refining their product! I mean look at Vega and how 'optimal performance' is implemented - the whole world agrees that the user can do a better job himself by moving a few sliders...

Boost or throttle - Nvidia doesn't sell you a 2100mhz card, they sell you a 16xx Mhz card with a stock performance that is clear to see, and with headroom to get out a bit more performance on your own risk. Intel: NO throttling until you hit critical temps. Throttling is a necessary mechanism to provide optimal performance, and it is only a negative thing when you are consistently seeing LOWER performance than what it said on the tin.

Last but not least, read this carefully, maybe you'll learn a thing or two

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_(electronics)

"Leakage current is generally measured in microamperes. For a reverse-biased diode it is temperature sensitive. Leakage current must be carefully examined for applications that work in wide temperature ranges."
 
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I give up.

BIOS modding does nothing , got it.

With bios modding one can do lot of the same as hard mod but via software. Bios just have bunch of equations for different limit's which can be tampered with changing sensed coefficient/dividers with hard mod or software coefficient/dividers with bios mods. Then of course you can do more with bios mod, i.e. setting fan curves, frequencies without needing third party software etc. So yes BIOS modding does a lot more beyond hardware modding and I would gladly take that for those reasons(in fact hard mods are pointless if one don't do extreme overclocking with ln2)...

It's a sad reality that one can't mod pascal bioses. But I don't really think there's nothing that could give more MHz to core.
 
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Inb4 Nvidia tries selling cards at low stock clocks just above AMD cards, disallow selling of factory overclocked cards and call them "Best overclocking GPU's in the world". Cracks me up. Their marketing is really great isn't it? Ermagerd, look at what our GPU boost (gimp) 3000 can do!

Their top-tier GPU's are so much ahead of RTG they are limiting the overclocking on purpose since Maxwell. There are other reasons to do it, but this is setting the stage for graphics cards in the foreseeable future. Now cards start to throttle at 70c, what the hell!? What happened to being able to run into 90-100c, run full clocks and be completely fine... It would be more appropriate to be able to turn off these "safety" measures. I don't like how graphics card overclocking is being treated.

I can imagine Volta already having marginal improvements over Pascal in performance when they lock true performance behind a pay-wall. They're just going to boast how performance-per-watt is the holy grail (again) when they put HBM on the die and blow mist into people's eyes.

Not that ranting in a forum helps anyway.


Wow, what is this brain fart? Made no sense what so ever.
 
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Wow, what is this brain fart? Made no sense what so ever.
Let me clarify. I was talking about the massive gap between stock core clock and boost clock. Which would be used for marketing purposes later. I still don't get how GPU Boost 3.0 avoids getting into clock speeds that are easily achievable via manual OC. I know most people won't touch overclocking themselves, but look at the 1070Ti, if you buy it, you pretty much have to overclock it or your money was better spent on the 1080.

And why not let the cards run at anything higher than 70c while having the OC'ed GPU performance not be throttled like it used to be in earlier architectures? Having options matters, I'm frowning upon efficiency being forced on the GPU. But I guess the new architectures aren't able to handle high temps anymore like in the old days, the 14/16nm silicon tends to degrade pretty fast as evidenced by Ryzen chips going bad from having high temps on constantly.

Technically Nvidia could let Pascal run hotter but have even better performance, but they don't have to this time (I'm talking about how older GPU architectures used to get really hot, because they are pushing out all they have out of that particular architecture, but they do hit a wall at some point with thermals and performance, until for the sake of competition you have to change your strategy and opt for something new, now cards seem to have so much thermal headroom and yet it seems to be unused at this point) because AMD cards still have lower performance when compared in many games.

Looks like 70 Celsius max is becoming the norm of some sort for CPU/GPUs.

I'm just more impressed by a Fermi/Kepler card able to run at 100c and not thermal throttle the performance at all. Sure, you end up doing a pretty stupid thing, but it's still amazing nonetheless. Can Pascal do that? No.

Nobody will ever know what Pascal/Volta are truly capable of because of the thermal/voltage wall that has been put in place. Those cards could probably be stable at higher voltages, but I don't think there's a way to bypass the voltage limit. Nvidia is either hampering overclocking on purpose OR the silicon is just working as intended and there's simply no reason to go past the limits because you will kill the card (I would like to believe that, btw I am not savvy in electrical engineering, so feel free to correct me if I am completely wrong).

As Vya Domus said. Even modding the card won't get you what is potentially possible. They really hit the gold center with Pascal, more so than any GPU architecture in history I think. Now they have to milk it for all it is worth.

It's just Nvidia being themselves. Just that every time it happens I get irritated and start smashing the keyboard like it's 1999.

In the end it's the consumers that are voting with their wallets. And everyone just seems to love so far how things are going.
 
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This is a move, by NVIDIA, to thwart Vega 56 sales while not cannibalizing their own 1080... hence the rule to only sell 'reference' clocked 1070Ti's.

AMD has the same limits on them too (power limits).

That said, as jabb already mentioned that users will be able to overclock through software. MSI AB works and so will the gaming app once updated.

The 970 is a 4GB card. 500MB run slower.



Haters gonna hate hate hate.. shake it off, shake it off.. woohooHOO!!!!

ahem. *cough*....3.5 GB with 512MB re-allocated VRAM *cough*
 
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Something in your throat?

4GB total. 512MB of it is notably slower than the other 3.5GB. I said that already.
 
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