Despite Disinterest in AMD Products, Dell Launches Ryzen-Powered Laptops

HTC · Mar 6, 2018

TheGuruStud said:
That's even worse than the US. They're not even attempting to hide Corporatism. Does it sound familiar? "Loyalty to the State above all else" (of course the corporations are the State, now)

"Loyalty" is called "fidelização" here. According to google translate, in English it's loyalty, which is why i used "" every time i used the word in that post.

EDIT

Mine and other ISPs often call to let me know of new offerings and / or cheaper ones and i always ask the same question: "do these require new "loyalty" period (always 2 years)?"

When they say "yes" i always reply with the same "then not interested".

TheGuruStud · Mar 6, 2018

HTC said:
"Loyalty" is called "fidelização" here. According to google translate, in English it's loyalty, which is why i used "" every time i used the word in that post.

As long as the meaning is the same. It's worse than it sounds, b/c loyalty to a corporation hell bent on screwing you is absurd and they know it. The branding is a middle finger and they're flaunting it. They might as well be taunting consumers.

HTC · Mar 6, 2018

TheGuruStud said:
As long as the meaning is the same. It's worse than it sounds, b/c loyalty to a corporation hell bent on screwing you is absurd and they know it. The branding is a middle finger and they're flaunting it. They might as well be taunting consumers.

I can understand why they came up with it, as long as it's for new clients only: because, if the client ends up changing his mind and revokes the subscription, then the company will still gain quite a bit out of it.

What i don't agree with is the length of the period and the fact that even those that are already their clients, should they change anything in their subscription (such as a few more channels on the TV or faster up / down net) they get another 2 year "free loyalty" period.

TheGuruStud · Mar 6, 2018

HTC said:
I can understand why they came up with it, as long as it's for new clients only: because, if the client ends up changing his mind and revokes the subscription, then the company will still gain quite a bit out of it.

What i don't agree with is the length of the period and the fact that even those that are already their clients, should they change anything in their subscription (such as a few more channels on the TV or faster up / down net) they get another 2 year "free loyalty" period.

Well, yeah, it's designed to be 100% anti-consumer. Lock in periods are to guarantee you produce cash like a dairy cow. They get the money no matter what and punish you in the process.

HTC · Mar 6, 2018

TheGuruStud said:
Well, yeah, it's designed to be 100% anti-consumer. Lock in periods are to guarantee you produce cash like a dairy cow. They get the money no matter what and punish you in the process.

The problem is that the law over here allows it.

The same seems true (i'm unfamilliar with US law) in Dell's case for the AMD products: as such, they'll get away with it.

TheGuruStud · Mar 6, 2018

HTC said:
The problem is that the law over here allows it.

The same seems true (i'm unfamilliar with US law) in Dell's case for the AMD products: as such, they'll get away with it.

The US had no interest in filing charges against intel before, so they won't, again. AMD will have to produce evidence and sue them.

john_ · Mar 6, 2018

Dell and others will not do the same mistake twice. They will offer AMD based systems, but they will definitely have something bad (5400 mechanical disk for example) and ridiculous price. That way they keep FTC away from them "Look we also sell AMD systems" and Intel happy "We overpriced it, and underspecked it as you wished my lord".
AMD can do nothing in this case. Only improve their hardware and hope that consumers will start pressing OEMS to produce better systems.

kastriot · Mar 6, 2018

Great APU with crappy components, dell shame on you!

bug · Mar 6, 2018

ShurikN said:
5400RPM drive in a $900 laptop.
Gotta gimp it somehow
Thanks DELL.

I doubt you will find better specced 17" intel laptops for cheaper. When I got mine, I paid ~$800 and I still had to fork ~$200 for a SSD. And that was a 15" one, also with RAM running in single channel mode.

Johan45 · Mar 6, 2018

I just checked DELL.ca and the Intel VS AMD systems aren't that much different in the Inspiron line IMO.

Inspiron 17 5000 series Intel $849 http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/5000-series/17-intel-5770/spd/inspiron-17-5770-laptop

Inspiron 17 5000 series AMD $899 http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/5000-series/new-17-amd/spd/inspiron-17-5775-laptop

ShurikN · Mar 6, 2018

Johan45 said:
I just checked DELL.ca and the Intel VS AMD systems aren't that much different in the Inspiron line IMO.

Inspiron 17 5000 series Intel $849 http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/5000-series/17-intel-5770/spd/inspiron-17-5770-laptop

Inspiron 17 5000 series AMD $899 http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/5000-series/new-17-amd/spd/inspiron-17-5775-laptop

The Intel one is by far a better laptop (and cheaper to add). So Dell is either underpricing the Intel one or overpricing the AMD one.
Or both.

Johan45 · Mar 6, 2018

They could have added a PCIe drive to the AMD that would be the biggest difference I think a user would notice. I do agree there's a bigger profit margin on the AMD system.

bug · Mar 6, 2018

ShurikN said:
The Intel one is by far a better laptop (and cheaper to add). So Dell is either underpricing the Intel one or overpricing the AMD one.
Or both.

What do you mean "is by far a better laptop"? It's got 8GB less RAM, 1TB less HDD space, but has a 128GB SSD in return.

ShurikN · Mar 6, 2018

bug said:
What do you mean "is by far a better laptop"? It's got 8GB less RAM, 1TB less HDD space, but has a 128GB SSD in return.

It has a CPU that turbos more, 8GB v 16GB is negligible as neither is a gaming machine. Intel one has a 25W cpu with a dedicated GPU (although crap), AMD one has everything in a 25W (at best) package.
An SSD in a laptop outweighs extra ram and/or extra TB every day.
You'll be booting that windows from a 5400rpm drive. I'd rather not use the laptop at all than use that slow HDD crap.

bug · Mar 6, 2018

ShurikN said:
It has a CPU that turbos more, 8GB v 16GB is negligible as neither is a gaming machine. Intel one has a 25W cpu with a dedicated GPU (although crap), AMD one has everything in a 25W (at best) package.
An SSD in a laptop outweighs extra ram and/or extra TB every day.
You'll be booting that windows from a 5400rpm drive. I'd rather not use the laptop at all than use that slow HDD crap.

So take out those extra 8GB RAM, buy a 128GB SSD and then you get similar builds within the same price range.

The initial assertion in this thread was that the AMD build was somehow overpriced to make AMD look bad. Now that it's been pointed out the prices are about the same, you're changing the tune to "but the Intel builds are better specced"?

dyonoctis · Mar 7, 2018

One can still wonder why the amd don't have an ssd option at all. Even on the 15" with intel, you get the choice between only an ssd or a ssd/HDD combo on the priciest. AMD ? HDD only.
So....why ?

bug · Mar 7, 2018

dyonoctis said:
One can still wonder why the amd don't have an ssd option at all. Even on the 15" with intel, you get the choice between only an ssd or a ssd/HDD combo on the priciest. AMD ? HDD only.
So....why ?

I'd be surprised if those model aren't configurable further. Dell used to be one of the best manufacturers when it came to customizing builds. I know they've scaled back since, but I'm hoping they didn't go as far as to remove even the option to customize the storage. Unfortunately, they've also changed their policy and refuse to show me their US site; and I'm not in the mood of configuring a proxy just to check their offers.

dyonoctis · Mar 8, 2018

bug said:
I'd be surprised if those model aren't configurable further. Dell used to be one of the best manufacturers when it came to customizing builds. I know they've scaled back since, but I'm hoping they didn't go as far as to remove even the option to customize the storage. Unfortunately, they've also changed their policy and refuse to show me their US site; and I'm not in the mood of configuring a proxy just to check their offers.

As of right now, they don't allow to customize the storage :

they've done a decent job on the AMD based desktop, but they seem to have taken quite the stepback for the laptop...

eidairaman1 · Mar 8, 2018

dyonoctis said:
As of right now, they don't allow to customize the storage :

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they've done a decent job on the AMD based desktop, but they seem to have taken quite the stepback for the laptop...

Because they are afraid of what the amds could do to the payoffs they get from intel by intentionally crippling the amd rigs.

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Despite Disinterest in AMD Products, Dell Launches Ryzen-Powered Laptops

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