A Push for the Higher Margin: Intel Reportedly Discontinues Production of Its H310 Chipset

[Konceptz]

but paired with a gtx1080ti the I3 scores better in games!!!
yeah, I totally agree.

8700K is a monster and I5 8500 is also quite the deal but that's where it ends in my eyes...

Who in their right mind would pair an i3 CPU with a GTX1080ti??

 

[Metroid]

More like b360.



Beat me to it.

Where I live b360 is as expensive as z370, the h310 was the only affordable cost effective choice.

 

[R-T-B]

Where I live b360 is as expensive as z370, the h310 was the only affordable cost effective choice.

Unfortunate for sure, but not really Intel's fault either. May as well go z370 or Ryzen whatever then, yeah.

 

[bug]

Where I live b360 is as expensive as z370, the h310 was the only affordable cost effective choice.

H310 was also the only chipset that couldn't do PCIe 3.0.
Also, B360 is not the only option, there's H370 and Q370. If you don't overclock (and you probably don't if you're looking for cheap mobos), H370 is actually better than Z370.

 

[GoldenX]

$10 is a lot for a small company or a family business, specially on 3rd world countries, a celeron was the better choice over an a6-9500 for office work in small/family companies, now with more expensive low end boards, it no longer is.

Some people need a reality check.

 

[KarymidoN]

$10 is a lot for a small company or a family business, specially on 3rd world countries, a celeron was the better choice over an a6-9500 for office work in small/family companies, now with more expensive low end boards, it no longer is.

Some people need a reality check.

People think 10$ is nothing. i Just paid U$ 10 for my Mailchimp account, in BRL (with taxes and fees) it cost me R$ 40 (BRL).
Imagine this ratio on a USD $60 board. it will cost BRL 240 + Retailer Margin and other Taxes Fees and Delivery, for a LOW END product. Doesnt believe it? Lemme show ya.

This is the Cheapest B360 Board availabe in the Biggest hardware retailer in Brazil.

Compare the prices and look at the almost 7x increase.

 

[ZeDestructor]

First off, you can't just ignore exchange rates when comparing values, mate: 103.87 USD = 373.05 BRL. The rise from 373.05 BRL 699.90 BRL is entirely from Brazilian taxes (you can thank your government's protectionist trade policies for that one, I'm afraid), and much closer to 2x, not 7x.

Sure, it sucks that the 10USD difference is closer to a 20USD difference after taxes, but even in 3rd-world countries, if 20USD difference matters significantly you probably have bigger problems than one motherboard costing ~10% more than another motherboard

PS: I'm from a 3rd-world country too, with an even worse exchange rate, and 20 USD isn't that big of a deal when buying computer parts. 50USD is where the caring starts. We do admittedly only have a 15% tax rate on imports, so our money does go quite a bit further in buying bits, but even then!

 

[GoldenX]

Are you considering average income? Lower taxes and a better income helps a lot. If U$S20 is not much for you, then it's not the same as in Brasil and Argentina, U$S10-20 is a lot to us. We still have to work, and computers do get old, requiring a new one, no mater the stupid economic decisions of our corrupt governments.

AM1 was a savior, but now it's dead, so motherboard's costs increased to double or triple of what it was (either A320, H110 or H310). Atom/Celeron/Pentium motherboards are expensive, too slow, and the "feature" of not being able to upgrade/replace the CPU is a neat point.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Are you considering average income? Lower taxes and a better income helps a lot. If U$S20 is not much for you, then it's not the same as in Brasil and Argentina, U$S10-20 is a lot to us. We still have to work, and computers do get old, requiring a new one, no mater the stupid economic decisions of our corrupt governments.

AM1 was a savior, but now it's dead, so motherboard's costs increased to double or triple of what it was (either A320, H110 or H310). Atom/Celeron/Pentium motherboards are expensive, too slow, and the "feature" of not being able to upgrade/replace the CPU is a neat point.

It's a lot compared to wages, but less so compared to the cost of a computer. IME, anyways, especially in business settings thanks to depreciation (depreciate assets, get lower tax rate on revenue).

 

[Jism]

Intel competently lost the battle in the low end segment.

It's more and more about making money, sadly.

 

[KarymidoN]

Are you considering average income? Lower taxes and a better income helps a lot. If U$S20 is not much for you, then it's not the same as in Brasil and Argentina, U$S10-20 is a lot to us. We still have to work, and computers do get old, requiring a new one, no mater the stupid economic decisions of our corrupt governments.

AM1 was a savior, but now it's dead, so motherboard's costs increased to double or triple of what it was (either A320, H110 or H310). Atom/Celeron/Pentium motherboards are expensive, too slow, and the "feature" of not being able to upgrade/replace the CPU is a neat point.

People don't Realize, that the Minimum wage on Brazil is R$ 980 BRL (on a MONTH). If you turn that in dollars you have $ 272,22 (USD).
Exclude taxes and fees, and a person with a Mininum wage will not have money to buy a basic computer after working an entire month.

 

[ZeDestructor]

People don't Realize, that the Minimum wage on Brazil is R$ 980 BRL (on a MONTH). If you turn that in dollars you have $ 272,22 (USD).
Exclude taxes and fees, and a person with a Mininum wage will not have money to buy a basic computer after working an entire month.

How about after a year? 3 years? 5 years?

I've upgraded GPUs every 3 years lately, and now 6 years in I've started looking into upgrading my CPU as well.

Sure, I've also added a server about 2 and a half years ago, and bought a couple laptops in that same timeframe, but those are not exactly essential, I am quite well-off, and I got all of those second-hand. I mean, at this point basically everything but my desktop (minus SSDs... those are second-hand too!), mouse, phone and harddrives are second-hand.

 

[Imsochobo]

Who in their right mind would pair an i3 CPU with a GTX1080ti??

Reviews all does it, just to say how much better the I3 is..
But in the end by the time that budget class reaches that GPU class the game is heavily multithreaded above the level I3 can deliver while a ryzen WILL.

 

[bug]

People disgruntled because instead of 5, they're now down to "only" 4 choices. I'm not even surprised.
And of course, when someone announces several products at once, we get the usual "confusing lineup" posts.
Keep it up, guys.

 

[FeelinFroggy]

$10 is a lot for a small company or a family business, specially on 3rd world countries, a celeron was the better choice over an a6-9500 for office work in small/family companies, now with more expensive low end boards, it no longer is.

Some people need a reality check.

Here is the reality check, small family businesses in third world countries is not a key market segment for Intel. Like it or not, that is the truth. That segment represents a very small percentage of their customer base that generates revenue.

Additionally, Intel has given many people plenty of reasons to not purchase their products, but you cannot fault Intel for exchange rates, taxes, and income for countries where they sale products.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Good thing I wasn't talking about manufacturing costs.

MSI H310M PRO-VD = $59.09
MIS H360M PRO-VD = $65.99

We at talking end consumer costs going up by $5-10. That's what people are freaking out about...

wait what? i know i misread that now but people freaking out over 5-10 bucks is silly.

 

[GoldenX]

Here is the reality check, small family businesses in third world countries is not a key market segment for Intel. Like it or not, that is the truth. That segment represents a very small percentage of their customer base that generates revenue.

Additionally, Intel has given many people plenty of reasons to not purchase their products, but you cannot fault Intel for exchange rates, taxes, and income for countries where they sale products.

Yeah, their market share comes only from gamers.

 

[newtekie1]

wait what? i know i misread that now but people freaking out over 5-10 bucks is silly.

Yep.

$10 is a lot for a small company or a family business, specially on 3rd world countries, a celeron was the better choice over an a6-9500 for office work in small/family companies, now with more expensive low end boards, it no longer is.

Some people need a reality check.

If they are ok with a 4 year old CPU, then they'd probably be better off going and buying a used Intel system from 4 years ago too...

 

[FeelinFroggy]

Yeah, their market share comes only from gamers.

Nope, a good chunk of their market share comes from CPUs inside laptops used by businesses.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Nope, a good chunk of their market share comes from CPUs inside laptops used by businesses.

Desktop too (you ever search for an old Optiplex or ThinkCentre? they're legion), and an absolute killing in serverland.

 

[bug]

Desktop too (you ever search for an old Optiplex or ThinkCentre? they're legion), and an absolute killing in serverland.

That's why I'm always having a blast when people (inevitably) argue about the latest CPU (be it from Intel or AMD). High-end always comes with a hefty premium, because they don't actually care how much they sell in that segment. They don't care if 10% or 99% of the enthusiasts use their CPUs. It's not where they make their money.
Manufacturers only care about enthusiasts because of word of mouth. It does little besides recommending one manufacturer or another to family and friends, but if you manage to antagonize enough of them, you get quite the online backlash. And that can sting.

 

[GoldenX]

If they are ok with a 4 year old CPU, then they'd probably be better off going and buying a used Intel system from 4 years ago too...

More like 14.

 

[newtekie1]

This is the Cheapest B360 Board availabe in the Biggest hardware retailer in Brazil.

Compare the prices and look at the almost 7x increase.

Ok, first of all that isn't even the cheapest B360 motherboard available on KaBuM, the B360M PRO-VH is at R$569.90. The only other MSI H310 board offered is the H310M PRO-M.2 at R$499.90. That is only a 15% price increase for the board. But what is it really when you are building an entire system?

So I went ahead an built the cheapest Coffee Lake system I could using KaBuM.

i3-8100 - R$509.90
4GB DDR4-2400 - R$229.90
500GB HDD - R$204.90
500W PSU - R$99.90
MATX Case - R$82.90
Windows 10 Home - R$369.90

So the cheapest you can get with a H310 board would be R$1,997.30. The B360 makes the price 2,067.30. For a total price increase of.........drum roll please.........3%. Oh the humanity! Won't someone think of the children!

 

[Vya Domus]

For a total price increase of.........drum roll please.........3%. Oh the humanity! Won't someone think of the children!

If you build something with those kinds of specs you are certainly trying to save every cent , so 3% is definitely relevant.

Of course , I fully expect the overwhelming elitist majority here to dismiss that but as difficult as it might be to understand , someone out there is counting every dollar they have to pay.

Also why do you make the assumption that this is relevant just to independent users ? If a company wants to buy 100 PCs , they will sure as hell care about 3%.

 

[GoldenX]

You need to go cheaper (*insert inception meme here*), generic 200w PSU, Pentium or Celeron instead of i3, no Windows License, that would be more realistic... Then the difference is a bit higher.

Cheaper is cheaper, this is clearly not a first world problem that you can understand.