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Think VR Is Dying? It's Just Getting Started, Says HTC

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So funny how often people gloss over that in the 90s. Like VR is a new thing.

Tech has gotten much better, but it's not new. It's gimmick hardware until they get the prices for sets down and resolve the health issues.
What health issues? :)
I assure you, it is healthier to stand and move than to sit. Ask a doctor near you!

The price issue is also somewhat laughable. It costs less than a half-proper TV or a new monitor, yet, it provides experiences way beyond those.
It's ridiculous that half the people here would think that a new hi-end GTX card $449 would be a steal, but a VR-system of the same price is too expensive. Yeah it needs a PC, but I'm assuming that people here at TechPowerUp has that covered up pretty well...

VR? what happened to 3d monitors and movies....

VR is just another Fad...
Classic! Let's compare this one failed technology that no-one asked for to this new tech that many has wished for decades.

It shows some real ignorance to even compare the two. The experience is in no way comparable.
 
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VR isn't dying, says a VR Headset manufacturer. In other news, coal power is still going strong and there's absolutely nothing to worry about says a coal mine owner.

Coal still has more hope. For the end user, it's just energy...which is always useful.
 

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Lol why is there so much hate for VR and RGB here? Let's save the hate for something better like Crypto, okay? Anyways, I'm glad HTC and others are still supporting the technology even if it's not widespread or particularly profitable. VR technology has the chance to change computing forever like the printing press was to books. I think right now, the engineering needs to catch up so we can miniturize and cut down the cost per unit to make the technology accessible to the masses. We'll not know if this is the case for another 20yrs, but I wouldn't be quick to write off the industry as a whole. Who knows? Maybe in the time when our children go to the movies with their kids instead of looking at a big screen everyone will be wearing VR devices instead?
I don't think there's more than the usual hate towards VR. We're just calling out a company heavily invested into VR that tries to make is sound like people are all over it. They're trying to part uninformed users and their money, we're trying to keep them together. That's all ;)
 
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I don't think there's more than the usual hate towards VR. We're just calling out a company heavily invested into VR that tries to make is sound like people are all over it. They're trying to part uninformed users and their money, we're trying to keep them together. That's all ;)
i agree with you 100% but for them (HTC) it is kind of like they say for their base version, which are always "sold out" for the most part. So for HTC they can't make them fast enough to keep from a total "sold out" situation.
 
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It's baffling how many people there are who actually want to see VR fail. What has the VR ever done to you? Did VR cancel your next Call Of Duty or take your next generic-FPS-shooter-we-have-seen-million-times-already-with-different-textures away? VR may be the first major step in gaming since the first electronic 2D-screen games and instead of cheering, we boo.

I can't be the only one who sees that we've reached the end-game here? Have you noticed how every new traditional "pancake" game is so similar with the previous games? You must have noticed it. We are going circles. Small iterations. Graphics evolution has almost halted, big studios are playing it safe and just pumping money to old franchises, we have more games (thanks to Steam sales etc) than ever before, yet, we feel there's nothing good to play. And still we act like this is it, this is the best it will ever get. Monitors, mouses, pads... To me, that's a terribly sad mindset.

It is understandable that the constant VR-hype may be annoying, but the hype has lasted this long for a reason. Tangible potential of VR is ridiculous and not at all unrealistic. It's there and for the first time ever we can actually see the technology fulfilling it. For some parts it already has but there's still a lot to come.
It is true that most games in VR at this point are pretty small and shallow. Still, people rave about them. Why? Because VR really kicks them to a whole new level. I would never touch many of them if they were 2D but here I am, playing them even after two years and still smiling like an idiot.

Stop being afraid. Stop being jelly if you can't afford the system right now. And most importantly, stop bashing something you have never experienced. Instead, be happy that the gaming is evolving, not dying.

Thank you for reading.
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Do you know why I actually *want* VR to fail?

Because we humans can't deal with it proper. Look at how smartphones and social media consume people today and how it is changing the world for us all. We are not becoming any more social because of it, on the contrary. Trolling is a 'thing' nowadays, it used to be a niche. Even our GOVERNMENTS, our leadership, that is supposed to provide vision and guidance, is consumed by it, or abusing it to further their own goals. And they do not align with what's best for us, not in the slightest.

VR is an alternate reality and it is one that completely consumes your attention. Look at how gaming has already changed: couch gaming with friends in splitscreen has pretty much died in favor of online gaming. Is online gaming objectively more fun? I don't think so, even if you play with those very same friends you played with right next to you. But it is easier. You just login, and boom, people to play with. It similar to shopping online. We're just lazy.

VR is another step in the wrong direction in that regard. Its more immersion at the cost of still experiencing a real life social aspect. When you step into that world, nothing else exists for you. And people can't handle that. Today's VR has too many shortcomings to really immerse but when it does, that's when it becomes all the more dangerous. We are adding a layer of abstraction to all of our interactions and we use it as a mask to hide behind. A customizable identity to 'live'. Its safe, and it allows people to cross boundaries they would never cross in real life. Because in real life, you'd get stomped in the face for most of it. This abstraction also removes the need for people to 'get over themselves', to take a difficult step towards socializing or adapting to society and reality. It allows them to live their sheltered lives, and it only promotes further manipulation by the powers that be. People get caught in very small, narrow worlds. Its the polar opposite of what we 'think' the internet does for us in terms of opening doors. It does, but only when used in moderation.

Internet has been around for decades now and people still haven't really learned how to deal with it. Only recently have we started discussing what to do with 'data'. And what we see is what we experience every day: there are other factors in play besides our mental and physical wellbeing that overrule the ideals we strive towards. Factors like money. Power. Influence. And social media, our data are tools used to impose things upon us. In the meantime, people live the illusion of choice and control when in fact they are being pushed in a direction they really don't want to go.

VR is simply the next step in that movement and until we can turn the general balance of power around, its a bad direction to go into. That does not mean its only a bad thing, it still is really cool tech. But that is the way of many new technologies: there are great potential advantages, but there are also major caveats that we are keen to ignore and prefer not to talk about, a taboo of sorts. Until that taboo is gone, we can't handle VR. Look how long it took for the penny to drop with regards to social media (and most people STILL don't get it...).
 
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VR? what happened to 3d monitors and movies....

VR is just another Fad...
This term get thrown out a lot. So let's try to explain it a bit.

Fad (at least in this context) refers to people periodically getting a taste of a given technology. That, in itself, proves there's genuine interest in the tech. Yet, this tech isn't mainstream. It's underdeveloped and marketed with the hope money from early adopters will help iron out the remaining quirks. These fads are not attempts to scam anyone. If anything, pioneering companies lose money on these products in their bid to grab market share. However, since these things are not Tamagotchis, but rather expensive pieces of hardware, it's important to be aware that you're more of a venture capitalist when you dive int these. If you have the cash to spare, the curiosity and/or the will to support something new, then great. However, if your budget is more down to earth, a little due diligence will be in order.
 
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Personally, even if it came to fruition, little of it interests me as a gamer. What I want to see more of is better AI.. along with breadth of worldspaces. VR is irrelevant in this matter. I'm just sick of dinky little worlds to run around in (ala Skyrim..with it's 8 house cities). Of course, most of this could be done better as we speak. It's just consoles holding things back. The other alternative is big worlds, but little interaction (ala GTA).
 
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So many narrow minded haters. You would think a tech community like TPU would be more open minded but no. So much hate makes you wonder what kind of wrong did VR ever do to you
 
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So many narrow minded haters. You would think a tech community like TPU would be more open minded but no. So much hate makes you wonder what kind of wrong did VR ever do to you

That pretty much sums it up for me, tbh. I am indeed a narrow minded hater. My response: So what? :p

I like the way computers are now. I have no need to shift paradigms...which in all practicality, are shittier.
 
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So many narrow minded haters. You would think a tech community like TPU would be more open minded but no. So much hate makes you wonder what kind of wrong did VR ever do to you

Read my wall of text? Or not responding to that at all? I'm curious what you think of that.
 
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Read my wall of text? Or not responding to that at all? I'm curious what you think of that.

I did..

I didn't think about any of that before, but you do bring up interesting points. As someone who just got a smartphone (simply because my dad passed away and my mom wanted to keep the number) and someone who hasn't logged into facebook in 10 years, I hear you about technology ruining our social lives. I'm already adamantly against it's invasiveness.. despite being enthusiast who likes wasting his time on geeky stuff like this site. :p It's kind of a love/hate thing, I guess. I said somewhere recently in another thread that I view computers as something I control. Not something I interact with or overpowers me. But purely control. I suppose that even applies to some of these new game interfaces, that try to overwhelm and blue the line between the digital and my real senses.
 
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While I do not have VR system myself, I seriously do not understand all this hate (for the lack of better word) against it.
People are strange.
 
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While I do not have VR system myself, I seriously do not understand all this hate (for the lack of better word) against it.
People are strange.

It's not strange. People tried to explain it in mutiple ways.

For me, I'm simply resistant to these big interface changes.. Especially changing a current solution that already works well for me. I particular hate all of the recent attempts to innovate beyond GUIs and typical control schemes (be it mice, keyboards, or gamepads). I can use all of these comfortably in multiple positions.. be it sitting, reclining, etc.. and can program each to carry out a lot of tasks with ease. Why would I want to change this to something more constraining? Secondly, big interface "improvements" just resulted in years of wasted resources and almost killed a whole platform (Xbox One), along with the tablet craze that killed a whole generation of Windows development (Windows 8).

I'm not sure who to blame more. The companies trying to sell the stuff.. Or the nerds who just wank off to technology for the sake of it. Either way, they're both cramping my style. If they'd both be happy with the limited applications their tech can be used in, I'd shut up. But no, they eventually want it to be everywhere.

Same goes for all of the voice assistants and Alexa commercials everywhere. I'm fine dialing numbers on my phone. I'm fine searching on my own. I'm fine clicking buttons on my own. Ugh.. I can't even stand auto-fillers half of the time. All of these supposed improvements are just slowing me down, and more nagging and annoying if anything. And as far as VR goes, just clumsy. /rant off :p
 
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Do you know why I actually *want* VR to fail?

Because we humans can't deal with it proper. Look at how smartphones and social media consume people today and how it is changing the world for us all. We are not becoming any more social because of it, on the contrary. Trolling is a 'thing' nowadays, it used to be a niche. Even our GOVERNMENTS, our leadership, that is supposed to provide vision and guidance, is consumed by it, or abusing it to further their own goals. And they do not align with what's best for us, not in the slightest.

VR is an alternate reality and it is one that completely consumes your attention. Look at how gaming has already changed: couch gaming with friends in splitscreen has pretty much died in favor of online gaming. Is online gaming objectively more fun? I don't think so, even if you play with those very same friends you played with right next to you. But it is easier. You just login, and boom, people to play with. It similar to shopping online. We're just lazy.

VR is another step in the wrong direction in that regard. Its more immersion at the cost of still experiencing a real life social aspect. When you step into that world, nothing else exists for you. And people can't handle that. Today's VR has too many shortcomings to really immerse but when it does, that's when it becomes all the more dangerous. We are adding a layer of abstraction to all of our interactions and we use it as a mask to hide behind. A customizable identity to 'live'. Its safe, and it allows people to cross boundaries they would never cross in real life. Because in real life, you'd get stomped in the face for most of it. This abstraction also removes the need for people to 'get over themselves', to take a difficult step towards socializing or adapting to society and reality. It allows them to live their sheltered lives, and it only promotes further manipulation by the powers that be. People get caught in very small, narrow worlds. Its the polar opposite of what we 'think' the internet does for us in terms of opening doors. It does, but only when used in moderation.

Internet has been around for decades now and people still haven't really learned how to deal with it. Only recently have we started discussing what to do with 'data'. And what we see is what we experience every day: there are other factors in play besides our mental and physical wellbeing that overrule the ideals we strive towards. Factors like money. Power. Influence. And social media, our data are tools used to impose things upon us. In the meantime, people live the illusion of choice and control when in fact they are being pushed in a direction they really don't want to go.

VR is simply the next step in that movement and until we can turn the general balance of power around, its a bad direction to go into. That does not mean its only a bad thing, it still is really cool tech. But that is the way of many new technologies: there are great potential advantages, but there are also major caveats that we are keen to ignore and prefer not to talk about, a taboo of sorts. Until that taboo is gone, we can't handle VR. Look how long it took for the penny to drop with regards to social media (and most people STILL don't get it...).
An interesting and not so common approach. It is very true that we do not know yet how VR will affect us or our societies in the big picture. It is almost certain that some will develop an addiction and others will be fine. In my mind, we still shouldn't be afraid before we know more. Why? Because it may as well be the opposite; people become happier, more open and feel less alone.

One thing that people don't generally know about VR is that it is very social compared to for example PC gaming. My usual gaming evening goes in the following fashion: I switch off all the lights and appliances, put the HMD on and appear to my friend's VR-home. He is already there, oh, the other guys are there too. I can see them, they can see me, we can speak, make gestures and stuff like that. And what makes it magical, is that it really feels like they are there. You feel their presence just as you do when someone is standing next to you in real life. Sure, you can't punch their real teeth out, but for me that's a plus :)
Anyways, we discuss about something and then we decide what to play. This evening we played Payday 2 VR for a few hours. After that I'm usually so tired that it is off to shower and sleep.

Without VR I would have been playing silently some FPS for the entire evening and perhaps the night too. No exercise and no real connections other than chat and VoIP. Sounds probably familiar to many.

What if you don't have VR-friends then? No problem. Many of the most popular games are very social too. For example in Echo VR you start from a lobby where you can already see players around the world. And once you get into a match, you are often "required" to communicate with your teammates. Sure, you don't really have to, but many do. I mean, if in CS:GO you hear 1% speaking through VoIP, in VR it is 99%. While in game, you see people giving high fives and shaking hands. It's pretty bizarre the 1st time.

I hope this helps to clear some misconceptions.
 
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It's not strange. People tried to explain it in mutiple ways.

For me, I'm simply resistant to these big interface changes.. Especially changing a current solution that already works well for me. I particular hate all of the recent attempts to innovate beyond GUIs and typical control schemes (be it mice, keyboards, or gamepads). I can use all of these comfortably in multiple positions.. be it sitting, reclining, etc.. and can program each to carry out a lot of tasks with ease. Why would I want to change this to something more constraining? Secondly, big interface "improvements" just resulted in years of wasted resources and almost killed a whole platform (Xbox One), along with the tablet craze that killed a whole generation of Windows development (Windows 8).

I'm not sure who to blame more. The companies trying to sell the stuff.. Or the nerds who just wank off to technology for the sake of it. Either way, they're both cramping my style. If they'd both be happy with the limited applications their tech can be used in, I'd shut up. But no, they eventually want it to be everywhere.

Same goes for all of the voice assistants and Alexa commercials everywhere. I'm fine dialing numbers on my phone. I'm fine searching on my own. I'm fine clicking buttons on my own. Ugh.. I can't even stand auto-fillers half of the time. All of these supposed improvements are just slowing me down, and more nagging and annoying if anything. And as far as VR goes, just clumsy. /rant off :p

An offtopic, but Win10 built upon what was done with the Win8. Not sure where exactly the "killing" part was, but the Win8, outside of interface, got a lot of things right for the OS itself, mostly native support for new technologies, security standards, performance boosts. Also, good luck killing those Server 2012/2012 R2's anytime soon.

Also, things like this is why I do want to buy VR someday in future:
 
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Glad I saved the money and got a GeForce 256 DDR without the bundled VR glasses. Was only a $50 premium back then... yet still a hard sell alongside a TV Tuner. Couple years later I came across a project involving a GeForce 3 which looked promising. Unlike the gimmicky shutter glasses of the past, this prototype had dual 640x480 screens...

I could go on, but at some point we all overlap with various incarnations of VR and meet up at 'now'. So, is it dying? Naw... Frankenstein's monster was made in a day, but with lightning and an assistant. Also, the results didn't score highly with any peasant group polled. Sometimes its best to start slow, and just add an ass to a monkey. And that's how it's been, an ass here, an ass there -- over the last 2 decades.

But some are asking, what the hell good are these multi-assed monkeys we have today?! You nerds are just wankin' to your high ass-to-monkey ratios! No one is wrong here, it's just an indicator of the state of things. The nerds still need to iterate a few more cycles until VR evolves into something that is neither a monkey, nor have more ass than necessary. It'll happen at some point. Whether HTC going in for the long haul helps this along or not, we'll see.
 
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An offtopic, but Win10 built upon what was done with the Win8. Not sure where exactly the "killing" part was, but the Win8, outside of interface, got a lot of things right for the OS itself, mostly native support for new technologies, security standards, performance boosts. Also, good luck killing those Server 2012/2012 R2's anytime soon.

Also, things like this is why I do want to buy VR someday in future:

My main focus here is just interfaces, not NT's underpinnings. 8's tablet centric features were a complete waste of time, along with the new app API/app store, etc.. which is definitely dead, because Windows Phone is dead.

edit: All of those improvements could have been done after 7, btw.. without causing so much confusion among both developers and users with the interface and API changes. If they had just put "classic" Windows applications at the forefront, we simply would have gotten where we are now at 10. That's what I call a waste of time. And to this day, they never had many adopters. We didn't see any big third party apps transition to the App Store look and feel. Not even Microsoft truly transitioned themselves. Office mostly remained a classic program. But you were never going to see the likes of Adobe or whoever doing it.
 
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Mostly because a lot of companies don't even release fans without any RGB crap at all. Meaning, if I don't need the RGB nonsense, I'm paying for something I don't need.
Who cares. Change it to the color you want. It doesnt have to be the color of the rainbow 24/7.
 

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Who cares. Change it to the color you want. It doesnt have to be the color of the rainbow 24/7.

Have you even read what I said? I don't want ANY color. Why would I be paying for 16 million colors because trust me, they don't add RGB for free on fans. Or do you like overpaying for things you don't even need?
 
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I admit, I have a liking for Cyan lights. :p

Only problem with RGB to me is that once you take the dive, you'll feel compelled to make more components with lights just to match the first. It's not worth it, unless you're building a whole machine from scratch. Case in point: I have a new Corsair AIO with lighting.. but now suddenly I feel compelled to get new memory sticks to match it.. which would blow a huge hole in my wallet. Best to just turn it off.
 

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I'm just curious, but who has actually used VR in here that want it to fail? I'm not talking about from the 90's either. I didn't like VR in the 90's, but this time around it's a different story. I'm not trying to debate why VR is great. All I'm saying is give it a try. Everybody that I have let try my HTC Vive has loved it. Just not the price and I get that reason, but VR is as low as it's ever been. Anyone wanting to jump in now can grab a Window's mixed reality headset for around $200-250 bucks and that's with hand tracking. I'm still using a GTX970, and I can play everything that's out now with good performance.
 
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I'm just curious, but who has actually used VR in here that want it to fail? I'm not talking about from the 90's either. I didn't like VR in the 90's, but this time around it's a different story. I'm not trying to debate why VR is great. All I'm saying is give it a try. Everybody that I have let try my HTC Vive has loved it. Just not the price and I get that reason, but VR is as low as it's ever been. Anyone wanting to jump in now can grab a Window's mixed reality headset for around $200-250 bucks and that's with hand tracking. I'm still using a GTX970, and I can play everything that's out now with good performance.
have you tried any race sims with your Vive? What vive do you have, the pro or normal one?
 
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