• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Intel-Micron QLC NAND Yields Less Than 50%, a Prelude to Global SSD Price Hikes?

Joined
Jan 17, 2006
Messages
932 (0.13/day)
Location
Ireland
System Name "Run of the mill" (except GPU)
Processor R9 3900X
Motherboard ASRock X470 Taich Ultimate
Cooling Cryorig (not recommended)
Memory 32GB (2 x 16GB) Team 3200 MT/s, CL14
Video Card(s) Radeon RX6900XT
Storage Samsung 970 Evo plus 1TB NVMe
Display(s) Samsung Q95T
Case Define R5
Audio Device(s) On board
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1000W
Mouse Roccat Leadr
Keyboard K95 RGB
Software Windows 11 Pro x64, insider preview dev channel
Benchmark Scores #1 worldwide on 3D Mark 99, back in the (P133) days. :)
Slow clap for intel. They sure are firing on all 2 cylinders.

Bad analogy, both my bikes run very nicely on 2 cylinders thanks (they only have two (each)). :)
 
Last edited:

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
19,671 (2.86/day)
Location
w
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 7600
Motherboard MSI X670E Gaming Plus Wifi
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Corsair Vengeance @ 6000Mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston KC3000 1TB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Plantronics 5220, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Dell SK3205
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
Yes it does. You can't crank up MLC prices because your QLC process is shit. If QLC devices are more expensive because of it, whatever. But if you jack up prices of MLC or TLC because of it, then you can kindly fuck off as a vendor. Especially if that becomes a thing just globally across entire market for all vendors because one can't make them properly.

So if it's a bad corn harvest, farmers should charge more for wheat? I don't think that's how the real world works...

I was kinda referring to QLC prices, but you have a point.

They may, but then no one will buy it. It's not much different with NAND. But they want to apply the logic of "corn harvest was bad, so we need to jack up the prices of beans and potatoes as well to level things out for us". No wonder ppl hate them lol

They'll buy it .. if everyone raises the prices. ;)
 
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
22,673 (6.05/day)
Location
The Washing Machine
System Name Tiny the White Yeti
Processor 7800X3D
Motherboard MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi
Cooling CPU: Thermalright Peerless Assassin / Case: Phanteks T30-120 x3
Memory 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000
Video Card(s) ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming
Storage Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB
Display(s) Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440)
Case Lian Li A3 mATX White
Audio Device(s) Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1
Power Supply EVGA Supernova G2 750W
Mouse Steelseries Aerox 5
Keyboard Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II
VR HMD HD 420 - Green Edition ;)
Software W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC
Benchmark Scores Over 9000
Bad analogy, both my bike run very nicely on 2 cylinders thanks (they only have two (each). :)

Sure but those only carry a single person ;) Not a whole marketplace.
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2013
Messages
2,186 (0.51/day)
Location
Deez Nutz, bozo!
System Name Rainbow Puke Machine :D
Processor Intel Core i5-11400 (MCE enabled, PL removed)
Motherboard ASUS STRIX B560-G GAMING WIFI mATX
Cooling Corsair H60i RGB PRO XT AIO + HD120 RGB (x3) + SP120 RGB PRO (x3) + Commander PRO
Memory Corsair Vengeance RGB RT 2 x 8GB 3200MHz DDR4 C16
Video Card(s) Zotac RTX2060 Twin Fan 6GB GDDR6 (Stock)
Storage Corsair MP600 PRO 1TB M.2 PCIe Gen4 x4 SSD
Display(s) LG 29WK600-W Ultrawide 1080p IPS Monitor (primary display)
Case Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow (White) w/Lighting Node CORE + Lighting Node PRO RGB LED Strips (x4).
Audio Device(s) ASUS ROG Supreme FX S1220A w/ Savitech SV3H712 AMP + Sonic Studio 3 suite
Power Supply Corsair RM750x 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular
Mouse Corsair M65 RGB FPS Gaming (White)
Keyboard Corsair K60 PRO RGB Mechanical w/ Cherry VIOLA Switches
Software Windows 11 Professional x64 (Update 23H2)
not a surprise considering new tech always have low yields. Look at AMD for a good comparison... they too struggled in diffusing their Vega cores with HBM v2 with both V56 & V64.
 
Joined
Oct 18, 2013
Messages
6,265 (1.53/day)
Location
Over here, right where you least expect me to be !
System Name The Little One
Processor i5-11320H @4.4GHZ
Motherboard AZW SEI
Cooling Fan w/heat pipes + side & rear vents
Memory 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 (2x 32GB)
Video Card(s) Iris XE
Storage WD Black SN850X 4TB m.2, Seagate 2TB SSD + SN850 4TB x2 in an external enclosure
Display(s) 2x Samsung 43" & 2x 32"
Case Practically identical to a mac mini, just purrtier in slate blue, & with 3x usb ports on the front !
Audio Device(s) Yamaha ATS-1060 Bluetooth Soundbar & Subwoofer
Power Supply 65w brick
Mouse Logitech MX Master 2
Keyboard Logitech G613 mechanical wireless
Software Windows 10 pro 64 bit, with all the unnecessary background shitzu turned OFF !
Benchmark Scores PDQ
the need...
the greed.....
and now, the deed........

all is well in the world of capitalism 101 :D

nOt
 
Joined
Jan 17, 2006
Messages
932 (0.13/day)
Location
Ireland
System Name "Run of the mill" (except GPU)
Processor R9 3900X
Motherboard ASRock X470 Taich Ultimate
Cooling Cryorig (not recommended)
Memory 32GB (2 x 16GB) Team 3200 MT/s, CL14
Video Card(s) Radeon RX6900XT
Storage Samsung 970 Evo plus 1TB NVMe
Display(s) Samsung Q95T
Case Define R5
Audio Device(s) On board
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1000W
Mouse Roccat Leadr
Keyboard K95 RGB
Software Windows 11 Pro x64, insider preview dev channel
Benchmark Scores #1 worldwide on 3D Mark 99, back in the (P133) days. :)
Sure but those only carry a single person ;) Not a whole marketplace.

Well they can carry 4 people between them, but I get your point.

@Tsukiyomi91 Your Vega comparison is good, except that AMD did not jack up the prices as a result, with some even claiming they sold them at a loss.
 
Joined
Mar 29, 2018
Messages
590 (0.24/day)
''a Prelude to Global SSD Price Hikes?''

should of been stated as ''a Prelude to Global SSD Price Fixing? ''

now all they need is someone to start a factory production fire and the fix is in...
 
Joined
Dec 15, 2006
Messages
1,703 (0.26/day)
Location
Oshkosh, WI
System Name ChoreBoy
Processor 8700k Delided
Motherboard Gigabyte Z390 Master
Cooling 420mm Custom Loop
Memory CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 2x8GB @ 3000Mhz
Video Card(s) EVGA 1080 SC
Storage 1TB SX8200, 250GB 850 EVO, 250GB Barracuda
Display(s) Pixio PX329 and Dell E228WFP
Case Fractal R6
Audio Device(s) On-Board
Power Supply 1000w Corsair
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores A million on everything....
the need...
the greed.....
and now, the deed........

all is well in the world of capitalism 101 :D

nOt
If people buy it at higher prices then all is indeed well.

Well they can carry 4 people between them, but I get your point.

@Tsukiyomi91 Your Vega comparison is good, except that AMD did not jack up the prices as a result, with some even claiming they sold them at a loss.

Lucky they sold them at all, lol. I almost bought one, too expensive for my needs.
 

Solaris17

Super Dainty Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Aug 16, 2005
Messages
27,083 (3.83/day)
Location
Alabama
System Name RogueOne
Processor Xeon W9-3495x
Motherboard ASUS w790E Sage SE
Cooling SilverStone XE360-4677
Memory 128gb Gskill Zeta R5 DDR5 RDIMMs
Video Card(s) MSI SUPRIM Liquid X 4090
Storage 1x 2TB WD SN850X | 2x 8TB GAMMIX S70
Display(s) 49" Philips Evnia OLED (49M2C8900)
Case Thermaltake Core P3 Pro Snow
Audio Device(s) Moondrop S8's on schitt Gunnr
Power Supply Seasonic Prime TX-1600
Mouse Razer Viper mini signature edition (mercury white)
Keyboard Monsgeek M3 Lavender, Moondrop Luna lights
VR HMD Quest 3
Software Windows 11 Pro Workstation
Benchmark Scores I dont have time for that.
not a surprise considering new tech always have low yields. Look at AMD for a good comparison... they too struggled in diffusing their Vega cores with HBM v2 with both V56 & V64.

This, its a new product, I dont think it will affect prices much if at all. Products may be waiting to be used with it, but its not liek they forgot or shut down all the other NAND assembly lines.
 
Joined
Jan 29, 2012
Messages
6,881 (1.46/day)
Location
Florida
System Name natr0n-PC
Processor Ryzen 5950x-5600x | 9600k
Motherboard B450 AORUS M | Z390 UD
Cooling EK AIO 360 - 6 fan action | AIO
Memory Patriot - Viper Steel DDR4 (B-Die)(4x8GB) | Samsung DDR4 (4x8GB)
Video Card(s) EVGA 3070ti FTW
Storage Various
Display(s) Pixio PX279 Prime
Case Thermaltake Level 20 VT | Black bench
Audio Device(s) LOXJIE D10 + Kinter Amp + 6 Bookshelf Speakers Sony+JVC+Sony
Power Supply Super Flower Leadex III ARGB 80+ Gold 650W | EVGA 700 Gold
Software XP/7/8.1/10
Benchmark Scores http://valid.x86.fr/79kuh6
The whole nand industry is based on price fixing.
 
Joined
Oct 4, 2017
Messages
706 (0.27/day)
Location
France
Processor RYZEN 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Aorus B-550I Pro AX
Cooling HEATKILLER IV PRO , EKWB Vector FTW3 3080/3090 , Barrow res + Xylem DDC 4.2, SE 240 + Dabel 20b 240
Memory Viper Steel 4000 PVS416G400C6K
Video Card(s) EVGA 3080Ti FTW3
Storage XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB NVMe + Samsung 980 1TB
Display(s) Dell S2721DGF
Case NR 200
Power Supply CORSAIR SF750
Mouse Logitech G PRO
Keyboard Meletrix Zoom 75 GT Silver
Software Windows 11 22H2
The first victim of low yields of 3D QLC NAND flash is Intel's SSD 660p series, a mainstream NVMe SSD that brought 1 TB of storage under the $200-mark.

The thing i don't understand here is that as mentioned Intel's SSD 660p is some of the first ( if not the first ) NVMe SSD to bring 1 TB of storage for under $200 wich means that yields where good enough to allow this to happen right ? Considering that yields can only improve with time then i don't get how we end up with this situation ..... makes 0 sense ! This smell fishy to say the least .
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
8,219 (2.16/day)
Location
SE Michigan
System Name Dumbass
Processor AMD Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF gaming B650
Cooling Artic Liquid Freezer 2 - 420mm
Memory G.Skill Sniper 32gb DDR5 6000
Video Card(s) GreenTeam 4070 ti super 16gb
Storage Samsung EVO 500gb & 1Tb, 2tb HDD, 500gb WD Black
Display(s) 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9)
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans
Audio Device(s) onboard (realtek?) - SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1
Power Supply Corsair HX1000i
Mouse Steeseries Esports Wireless
Keyboard Corsair K100
Software windows 10 H
Benchmark Scores https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2
so somebody screwed up at the factory, low yields means production errors, errors made by humans, and now we, the consumer, will pay for those mistakes. Not exactly something we can fight back against.
 
Joined
Mar 14, 2014
Messages
1,430 (0.36/day)
Processor 11900K
Motherboard ASRock Z590 OC Formula
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 using 2x140mm 3000RPM industrial Noctuas
Memory G. Skill Trident Z 2x16GB 3600MHz
Video Card(s) eVGA RTX 3090 FTW3
Storage 2TB Crucial P5 Plus
Display(s) 1st: LG GR83Q-B 1440p 27in 240Hz / 2nd: Lenovo y27g 1080p 27in 144Hz
Case Lian Li Lancool MESH II RGB (I removed the RGB)
Audio Device(s) AKG Q701's w/ O2+ODAC (Sounds a little bright)
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 850 TX
Mouse Glorious Model D
Keyboard Glorious MMK2 65% Lynx MX switches
Software Win10 Pro
Isn't SLC the most reliable? I thought the more levels meant higher capacity at a cost of reliability?
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2013
Messages
2,186 (0.51/day)
Location
Deez Nutz, bozo!
System Name Rainbow Puke Machine :D
Processor Intel Core i5-11400 (MCE enabled, PL removed)
Motherboard ASUS STRIX B560-G GAMING WIFI mATX
Cooling Corsair H60i RGB PRO XT AIO + HD120 RGB (x3) + SP120 RGB PRO (x3) + Commander PRO
Memory Corsair Vengeance RGB RT 2 x 8GB 3200MHz DDR4 C16
Video Card(s) Zotac RTX2060 Twin Fan 6GB GDDR6 (Stock)
Storage Corsair MP600 PRO 1TB M.2 PCIe Gen4 x4 SSD
Display(s) LG 29WK600-W Ultrawide 1080p IPS Monitor (primary display)
Case Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow (White) w/Lighting Node CORE + Lighting Node PRO RGB LED Strips (x4).
Audio Device(s) ASUS ROG Supreme FX S1220A w/ Savitech SV3H712 AMP + Sonic Studio 3 suite
Power Supply Corsair RM750x 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular
Mouse Corsair M65 RGB FPS Gaming (White)
Keyboard Corsair K60 PRO RGB Mechanical w/ Cherry VIOLA Switches
Software Windows 11 Professional x64 (Update 23H2)
@nemesis.ie not to mention that Vega is a little too late into the game when Pascal obliterated them in the high end market segment; no offense.
Anyhow, since we're seeing new techs, we'll have to give them time to mature before we can actually see how much value we're getting out of them over what we currently have.
 
Joined
Jan 27, 2015
Messages
454 (0.13/day)
System Name Marmo / Kanon
Processor Intel Core i7 9700K / AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi / X570S Aorus Pro AX
Cooling Noctua NH-U12S x 2
Memory Corsair Vengeance 32GB 2666-C16 / 32GB 3200-C16
Video Card(s) KFA2 RTX3070 Ti / Asus TUF RX 6800XT OC
Storage Samsung 970 EVO+ 1TB, 860 EVO 1TB / Samsung 970 Pro 1TB, 970 EVO+ 1TB
Display(s) Dell AW2521HFA / U2715H
Case Fractal Design Focus G / Pop Air RGB
Audio Device(s) Onboard / Creative SB ZxR
Power Supply SeaSonic Focus GX 650W / PX 750W
Mouse Logitech MX310 / G1
Keyboard Logitech G413 / G513
Software Win 11 Ent
Let's see if Sammy, SK Hynix, Toshiba, Sandisk etc. follow suits and declare poor yield as well. If not, then it's just an isolated case because of incompetence of Intel/IMFT. Otherwise we can expect an incoming price fix on SSDs.
 
Joined
Jan 17, 2006
Messages
932 (0.13/day)
Location
Ireland
System Name "Run of the mill" (except GPU)
Processor R9 3900X
Motherboard ASRock X470 Taich Ultimate
Cooling Cryorig (not recommended)
Memory 32GB (2 x 16GB) Team 3200 MT/s, CL14
Video Card(s) Radeon RX6900XT
Storage Samsung 970 Evo plus 1TB NVMe
Display(s) Samsung Q95T
Case Define R5
Audio Device(s) On board
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1000W
Mouse Roccat Leadr
Keyboard K95 RGB
Software Windows 11 Pro x64, insider preview dev channel
Benchmark Scores #1 worldwide on 3D Mark 99, back in the (P133) days. :)
Genuine Q: Why is everyone using "Sauce" instead of "Source" when quoting sources these days? Is it some kind of "in joke" I missed?
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
8,219 (2.16/day)
Location
SE Michigan
System Name Dumbass
Processor AMD Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF gaming B650
Cooling Artic Liquid Freezer 2 - 420mm
Memory G.Skill Sniper 32gb DDR5 6000
Video Card(s) GreenTeam 4070 ti super 16gb
Storage Samsung EVO 500gb & 1Tb, 2tb HDD, 500gb WD Black
Display(s) 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9)
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans
Audio Device(s) onboard (realtek?) - SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1
Power Supply Corsair HX1000i
Mouse Steeseries Esports Wireless
Keyboard Corsair K100
Software windows 10 H
Benchmark Scores https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2
Genuine Q: Why is everyone using "Sauce" instead of "Source" when quoting sources these days? Is it some kind of "in joke" I missed?
more than likely auto-correction from a phone.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
7,563 (1.77/day)
And what's QLC cell average read & write before dying ? 500 ? 700 ? so it's a 4 year lifespan SSD ?
TLC is already 1000 to 2000 rewrites before dying, what is QLC made for ?

Sauce : https://www.anandtech.com/show/6459/samsung-ssd-840-testing-the-endurance-of-tlc-nand
(old, but still)
Yes it's old & not valid for 3d NAND, IIRC 850 EVO was rated at 3k p/e cycles? The best estimates for QLC put it @1k atm which could change in the future, as we see more endurance tests like this one ~ https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
 
Joined
Jan 17, 2006
Messages
932 (0.13/day)
Location
Ireland
System Name "Run of the mill" (except GPU)
Processor R9 3900X
Motherboard ASRock X470 Taich Ultimate
Cooling Cryorig (not recommended)
Memory 32GB (2 x 16GB) Team 3200 MT/s, CL14
Video Card(s) Radeon RX6900XT
Storage Samsung 970 Evo plus 1TB NVMe
Display(s) Samsung Q95T
Case Define R5
Audio Device(s) On board
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1000W
Mouse Roccat Leadr
Keyboard K95 RGB
Software Windows 11 Pro x64, insider preview dev channel
Benchmark Scores #1 worldwide on 3D Mark 99, back in the (P133) days. :)
@DeathtoGnomes It looks BTA uses his phone for entering/editing some of his content so. ;)
 
Joined
Apr 1, 2013
Messages
226 (0.05/day)
Yes it's old & not valid for 3d NAND, IIRC 850 EVO was rated at 3k p/e cycles? The best estimates for QLC put it @1k atm which could change in the future, as we see more endurance tests like this one ~ https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
Thx, found couple article on Hardware.fr back in the days and ZDNET.
All are stating between 500 and 1000 p/e cycles, even by Toshiba themselves ; not higher. Pretty sure endurance is higher now, at same shrink node, but, they are going onto 10 and 7nm (even though it's not real 7nm, but that's not the point).
TLC even with 3D-NAND gets less and less reliable every time they shrink. And that also why Intel is strugelling right now.

I'm quite afraid of an 256GB SSD with QLC...1TB you can see it coming, but 256GB or less ...
 
Joined
Jul 9, 2018
Messages
5 (0.00/day)
Thx, found couple article on Hardware.fr back in the days and ZDNET.
All are stating between 500 and 1000 p/e cycles, even by Toshiba themselves ; not higher. Pretty sure endurance is higher now, at same shrink node, but, they are going onto 10 and 7nm (even though it's not real 7nm, but that's not the point).
TLC even with 3D-NAND gets less and less reliable every time they shrink. And that also why Intel is strugelling right now.

I'm quite afraid of an 256GB SSD with QLC...1TB you can see it coming, but 256GB or less ...

Where are you hearing that QLC is going to made on the 10/7nm process node?

Yield is different from reliability. They probe wafers, test them, and say ok, this wafer passed, this wafer failed (at a high level).

Reliability is can the chip work long long term. Your chip can yield, but it might not be reliable.

The article says that they're having yield problems.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
7,563 (1.77/day)
Thx, found couple article on Hardware.fr back in the days and ZDNET.
All are stating between 500 and 1000 p/e cycles, even by Toshiba themselves ; not higher. Pretty sure endurance is higher now, at same shrink node, but, they are going onto 10 and 7nm (even though it's not real 7nm, but that's not the point).
TLC even with 3D-NAND gets less and less reliable every time they shrink. And that also why Intel is strugelling right now.

I'm quite afraid of an 256GB SSD with QLC...1TB you can see it coming, but 256GB or less ...
That's for general purpose processors, not NAND or even DRAM. Also as sirlesliechao said you're probably mixing endurance with reliability. We haven't had any endurance tests for QLC & endurance tests for certain regular MLC (non 3d NAND) drives proved that the TBW given by SSD makers are generally very conservative. Yields have nothing to do with either.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jan 15, 2015
Messages
362 (0.10/day)
Isn't SLC the most reliable? I thought the more levels meant higher capacity at a cost of reliability?
SLC is the most reliable.

The more layers are added, the more voltages have to be dealt with. This increases the variance/drift. It's why the Samsung 840, an early planar TLC drive, had to have its data regularly rewritten to the drive to prevent read speeds from falling.

In addition to the issue of how many layers there are (single = SLC, double = MLC, triple = TLC, quad = QLC) there are others:

1) process node size (larger is more reliable, e.g. 40nm vs. 15nm)

2) 3D vs. planar. 3D is more reliable. 3D fabrication is mainly what has made TLC so much more relevant in the market than it was initially.

3) various controller design factors, like DRAM-using vs. dramless (DRAM-using is better for reliability, except with Sandforce* which is a more complex case), error correction sophistication, and the presence of a capacitor to protect against power failure

4) how much NAND is set aside

5) the grade of the NAND

6) "SLC" caching. As far as I know, no drive has actual SLC NAND in its so-called SLC cache. Instead, a portion of MLC or TLC NAND is "functioning like SLC". This improves speed but I don't know how much it affects reliability. If it were true SLC then reliability would increase, certainly.

7) firmware/controller bugs

8) cooling (e.g. metal casing, thermal pads, heat sinks). This can affect performance consistency, which is a form of reliability (performance reliability).

*In terms of Sandforce, it was a dramless design that had improved theoretical reliability via on-the-fly data compression. This reduced the amount of data written quite a lot versus other controllers at the time; Sandforce had an excellent write amplication factor, with compressible data. Unfortunately, the design made TRIM mostly ineffective, causing the drives to slow, especially in steady state, and not recover. The design also wasn't very reliable (most severely with the Vertex 2 with 64-bit NAND in the 240 GB size) and was further worsened because Sandforce favored locking the drive to "prevent people from looking at their special firmware design". There were a lot of firmware updates for both the 2nd and 3rd generation controllers. It seems that the third generation eventually became pretty stable with 64-bit NAND but the performance, especially with a drive in need of TRIM recovery, wasn't competitive with later companies' designs. My speculation, as to the main reason why Sandforce is no longer a significant market player, is the poor compatibility with TRIM.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jan 29, 2016
Messages
128 (0.04/day)
System Name Ryzen 5800X-PC / RyzenITX (2nd system 5800X stock)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (atx) / 5800X itx (soon one pc getting 5800X3D upgrade! ;)
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER (ATX) / X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi (ITX)
Cooling AMD Wrath Prism Cooler / Alphenhone Blackridge (ITX)
Memory OLOY 4000Mhz 16GB x 2 (32GB) DDR4 4000 Mhz CL18, (22,22,22,42) 1.40v AT & ITX PC's (2000 Fclk)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT (ATX) /// AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6 (ITX)
Storage (Sys)Sammy 970EVO 500GB & SabrentRocket 4.0+ 2TB (ATX) | SabrentRocket4.0+ 1TB NVMe (ITX)
Display(s) 30" Ultra-Wide 21:9 200Hz/AMD FREESYNC 200hz/144hz LED LCD Montior Connected Via Display Port (x2)
Case Lian Li Lancool II Mesh (ATX) / Velkase Velka 7 (ITX)
Audio Device(s) Realtek HD ALC1220 codec / Onboard HD Audio* (BOTH) w/ EQ settings
Power Supply 850w (Antec High-Current Gamer) HC-850 PSU (80+ gold certified) ATX) /650Watt Thermaltake SFX (ITX)
Mouse Logitech USB Wireless KB & MOUSE (Both Systems)
Keyboard Logitech USB Wireless KB & MOUSE (Both Systems)
VR HMD Oculus Quest 2 - 128GB - Standalone + Oculus link PC
Software Windows 10 Home x64bit 2400 /BOTH SYSTEMS
Benchmark Scores CPUZ - ATX-5800X (ST:670) - (MT: 6836.3 ) CPUZ - ITX -5800X (ST:680.2) - (MT: 7015.2) ??? same CPU?


YEAH.... THIS IS SO LIKE INTEL..... OH Fu**ing YEAH, Thats INTEL ALRIGHT!!!!

PS: C'mon intel your not exactly a forthcoming and honest company either>>>>
 
Top