AMD Announces 2nd Gen Ryzen Quad-core and Energy-Efficient Processor Models

[bug]

I see those spikes just about every day hundred times a day. I'm on i3-6100

The thing is, if spikes is all you see, a faster CPU won't do much for you. If you don't see at least one core maxed out for any significant period of time, your CPU isn't the bottleneck in your system. But this varies from one person to the next.

 

[mtcn77]

i totally agree with you! a 45 w chip make no sense! the fx-8120 with min 150w is the way to go!

Yes, you want the power to scale upwards relative to the core count because what is a power budget right? No one needs a single boost thread - the eighth core is only for subzero overclockers, anyway... I'm marking this as a product segmentation teaser targetted just for the overclockers.

 

[mtcn77]

Performance-wise, it seems it will compare to a 3.9GHz 6/12 Ryzen 5 1600 which at normal times comes at 127 watts TDP. I couldn't be bothered with blindfold-overclocking so color me impressed.

 

[notb]

Mmm, 35w 6 core APU. One can dream.

What's wrong with i5-8500T?

 

[GoldenX]

What's wrong with i5-8500T?

The IGP, it's drivers, the platform's life, the stock cooler, the overclocking capabilities. Other than that, it's quite good.

 

[notb]

The IGP, it's drivers, the platform's life, the stock cooler, the overclocking capabilities. Other than that, it's quite good.

There aren't any proper OC capabilities, but why would that be important in this case? You want to buy a factory tuned-down CPU and overclock it? It makes no sense at all. :-o
The cooler is very basic, but easily good enough for this CPU (and actually pretty quiet on a 35W CPU).

As for gaming... HD630 is pretty nice actually. It all depends what you play and we play different games than 7 years ago, when APUs really shined.
HD630 is fine for many MMORPG or even some lighter AAA titles like Diablo III.
Also, I think many gamers today are either fed up with modern games (more and more "action"-oriented, simple and shallow) or just want to play their favourite games from childhood.
You don't have to buy a 1080Ti and buy all the latest titles, to be an avid gamer. Look at the huge popularity of GOG.

 

[GoldenX]

There aren't any proper OC capabilities, but why would that be important in this case? You want to buy a factory tuned-down CPU and overclock it? It makes no sense at all. :-o
The cooler is very basic, but easily good enough for this CPU (and actually pretty quiet on a 35W CPU).

As for gaming... HD630 is pretty nice actually. It all depends what you play and we play different games than 7 years ago, when APUs really shined.
HD630 is fine for many MMORPG or even some lighter AAA titles like Diablo III.
Also, I think many gamers today are either fed up with modern games (more and more "action"-oriented, simple and shallow) or just want to play their favourite games from childhood.
You don't have to buy a 1080Ti and buy all the latest titles, to be an avid gamer. Look at the huge popularity of GOG.

I think the same about gaming, but the Intel driver has problems with compatibility, I'm speaking from experience with my notebook's HD5500, the AMD driver is a lot better for light or heavy gaming.
Overclocking capabilities also means downclocking capabilities, and making a 35w chip a 25w sounds very nice

 

[nemesis.ie]

The IGP, it's drivers, the platform's life, the stock cooler, the overclocking capabilities. Other than that, it's quite good.

Is it also affected by security flaws?

 

[GoldenX]

Is it also affected by security flaws?

Yeah that too, but I think those software mitigations are needed for professional users, one should have the option to not enable them if it's not for something critical, I'm not afraid of my savegame data being stolen on an Intel machine, let's use the Ryzen for critical data.

 

[notb]

I think the same about gaming, but the Intel driver has problems with compatibility, I'm speaking from experience with my notebook's HD5500, the AMD driver is a lot better for light or heavy gaming.

OK. I'll agree that some games will just not start on Intel. This is something I've learned to live with during my 8 or so years without dGPU. You're limited to what works (but it's not a small subset, to be honest).
Once a game starts, the fps at low details is surprisingly fine. IGP used to be fairly unusable for gaming 10-15 years ago. I think people still look at them based on what they remember from totally different times.

Overclocking capabilities also means downclocking capabilities, and making a 35w chip a 25w sounds very nice

8500T can be switched to TDP-down of 25W.

Is it also affected by security flaws?

Please, stop this nonsense already. :/ All CPUs have security flaws. All manufacturers provide software patches. All try to fix these problems in hardware as soon as possible.
This whole Spectre/Meltdown obsession really made this forum look lame. :/

let's use the Ryzen for critical data.

This approach is exactly the opposite of what risk managers would recommend.
With CPUs (and OSes as well), the basic assumption is that there always are security flaws and it's important to find them as soon as possible.
If you're worrying about your "critical data", Intel is the clear choice - precisely because of how well tested platform it is.

 

[GoldenX]

I was throwing a jab at Intel EPYC apparently is selling well anyway.
The 8500T can be lowered to 25w, but at what frequency? My i3-5005U can do 15W (down from 25) but at 600MHz. With downclocking you just keep the stock frequency.

 

[nemesis.ie]

[Responding to me, Nemesis.ie]:
Please, stop this nonsense already. :/ All CPUs have security flaws. All manufacturers provide software patches. All try to fix these problems in hardware as soon as possible.
This whole Spectre/Meltdown obsession really made this forum look lame. :/

The point, in this case, is not the question of the flaws/fixes themselves (which should be applied and as you say affect every manufacturer to some degree) but how much performance loss results.

Yes, they should of course be fixed in hardware and one would hope ASAP.

I'm still looking to see a comprehensive benchmark review of how the various fixes affect performance in apps/games on the different architectures.

For example running "InSpectre" shows "Slower" on my Lenovo laptop (I think it's SB) but "Good" on my Haswell and Ryzen boxes - the latter with a note that it's not affected by Meltdown.

But does the same "Good" rating mean the same % drop (or not) in performance?

Do you not think it's reasonable for consumers to know what the relative performance between products is when they have been made as secure as currently possible?

/OT

 

[notb]

I was throwing a jab at Intel EPYC apparently is selling well anyway.
The 8500T can be lowered to 25w, but at what frequency? My i3-5005U can do 15W (down from 25) but at 600MHz. With downclocking you just keep the stock frequency.

1.6 GHz down from 2.1 GHz base clock. I don't know what happens to 3.5 GHz turbo.

BTW: 5005U is max 15W and TDP-down is 10W. 600W looks like the lowest possible step, so that's pretty aggresive.

The point, in this case, is not the question of the flaws/fixes themselves (which should be applied and as you say affect every manufacturer to some degree) but how much performance loss results.

No, it's not. Security is security. You install the critical fixes and accept the new situation.
If you're really curious, you can check yourself before and after.

I'm still looking to see a comprehensive benchmark review of how the various fixes affect performance in apps/games on the different architectures.

Maybe no one cares? Typical consumers (not interested in what's happening under the hood) surely don't.

Do you not think it's reasonable for consumers to know what the relative performance between products is when they have been made as secure as currently possible?

Because you would like them to be able to make a conscious choice between fps in games and security?
Then no. I think we're better of without such benchmarks being public.
If people had literally no way to block the security updates, then I wouldn't care.

 

[nemesis.ie]

Um, if you already have the CPU, yes, you suck it up or sell it if the performance becomes too low, but if you are making a buying decision it is definitely useful to know what the effect of the patching will be.

It's not just FPS in games either, if you patch your PC so your banking apps etc. are safe (which you should do) it might be nice to know if that nukes your gaming performance.

Just because people are apathetic or unaware doesn't mean the issue is irrelevant.

 

[GoldenX]

1.6 GHz down from 2.1 GHz base clock. I don't know what happens to 3.5 GHz turbo.

BTW: 5005U is max 15W and TDP-down is 10W. 600W looks like the lowest possible step, so that's pretty aggresive.

Yeah, the lowest step on normal use is 800MHz, 10w TDP reduces it to a fixed 600MHz clock.
You're right, it's 10-15w.