Editorial Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

[the54thvoid]

Sorry, but you seem to live in some alternate universe. I was in Uppsala a couple of months ago and it looked just like when I went to school there, well, apart from all the new apartments that were being built on the north side of the city centre. I didn't see any syringes either, only a couple of beggars. Gottsunda is the trouble spot and it hasn't changed for over 20 years. Rinkeby has had issues since the 1960's, so nothing new there. But again, these are small, isolated areas, not the country as a whole as you seem to want to make it out to be, along with the media. Hell, I saw much more syringes and needles when I lived in London. I had neighbours dealing drugs there and I didn't even live close to the "bad" areas there.

I think you need to travel more if you think I was referring to WWII type ghettos. You only need to go to some of the poorer Asian countries to see massive ghettos. Hey, I was just in India, there we can talk about ghettos, in fact, some people are so damn bad off they sleep under a motorway bridge, as at least that way, they stay dry when it rains.

The housing prices in Sweden are messed up, but even that started long before the 2015-2016 refugee situation. There had been very little construction going on for about a decade before that, which was already pushing up the house prices. Obviously what happened, made the situation worse.

For abusing the social benefits system, you got some concrete examples here, or just more media hype?

And the far right party gained a massive 4.68% and they're still only the third biggest party. How is this historically the biggest percentage when they gained 7.2% in the previous election? Are you just bad at math, or again listening to the media hype?

You clearly care a lot about it for some reason. Does Sweden have problems? Yes, but many of them have been around since the 1960's when Sweden started to take in migrants from Eastern Europe. Oh and we took in quite a lot of Fins and Baltic people during WWII as well, maybe we should kick them all out too, along with their relatives, what do you think?

I really don't understand how a post about Linus Torvalds has anything to do with Sweden, apart from the fact that he lived there for a few years.
And I took the bait? Well, I don't understand why you started posting about Sweden. I would be equally engaged if you posted about where I live now, as there's a pretty shitty situation here too right now, but a very different one.

But please, do your research before spouting garbage.

Yeah. In Glasgow our drug problems are pretty much all home grown, white and under educated. Immigrants? Not part of the syringe problem. Might be a bit thievy, but not druggy. Drugs? That's a white problem.

 

[StrayKAT]

I see no reason why that would be strange at all. Women are a minority in this field, just how they are a majority in others. I am sure no one has ever thought women are strangely absent from the frontlines or from cleaning the sewers or working in coal mines. But I am sure you've seen that being brought up many times. I see nothing wrong with wishing that a particular group would be better represented in a field if that's achieved through merit. When you start setting arbitrary rules and motives just for the sake of seeing that group grow, well, that's when things go terribly wrong. And this whole thing reeks of that.

I don't want arbritrary rules. I'd just like to see more women be interested (and thus, seek careers). I'm putting the burden on more of them to join, if anything. Not on anyone else to force it.

 

[Solidstate89]

Sorry, but you seem to live in some alternate universe. I was in Uppsala a couple of months ago and it looked just like when I went to school there, well, apart from all the new apartments that were being built on the north side of the city centre. I didn't see any syringes either, only a couple of beggars. Gottsunda is the trouble spot and it hasn't changed for over 20 years. Rinkeby has had issues since the 1960's, so nothing new there. But again, these are small, isolated areas, not the country as a whole as you seem to want to make it out to be, along with the media. Hell, I saw much more syringes and needles when I lived in London. I had neighbours dealing drugs there and I didn't even live close to the "bad" areas there.

I think you need to travel more if you think I was referring to WWII type ghettos. You only need to go to some of the poorer Asian countries to see massive ghettos. Hey, I was just in India, there we can talk about ghettos, in fact, some people are so damn bad off they sleep under a motorway bridge, as at least that way, they stay dry when it rains.

The housing prices in Sweden are messed up, but even that started long before the 2015-2016 refugee situation. There had been very little construction going on for about a decade before that, which was already pushing up the house prices. Obviously what happened, made the situation worse.

For abusing the social benefits system, you got some concrete examples here, or just more media hype?

And the far right party gained a massive 4.68% and they're still only the third biggest party. How is this historically the biggest percentage when they gained 7.2% in the previous election? Are you just bad at math, or again listening to the media hype?

You clearly care a lot about it for some reason. Does Sweden have problems? Yes, but many of them have been around since the 1960's when Sweden started to take in migrants from Eastern Europe. Oh and we took in quite a lot of Fins and Baltic people during WWII as well, maybe we should kick them all out too, along with their relatives, what do you think?

I really don't understand how a post about Linus Torvalds has anything to do with Sweden, apart from the fact that he lived there for a few years.
And I took the bait? Well, I don't understand why you started posting about Sweden. I would be equally engaged if you posted about where I live now, as there's a pretty shitty situation here too right now, but a very different one.

But please, do your research before spouting garbage.

Don't give them much mind, they get all their news from Prison Paul who not only has never left the UK but also never leaves his Mom's attic.

 

[Space Lynx]

Yeah. In Glasgow our drug problems are pretty much all home grown, white and under educated. Immigrants? Not part of the syringe problem. Might be a bit thievy, but not druggy. Drugs? That's a white problem.

Maybe the government should spend the money on helping those under educated whites with job programs (that pay a decent wagenot that crap that makes people feel worthless) instead of giving it to the immigrants then? I guess the idea of the nation-state is dead until World War 3 breaks out and they call them up for duty.

 

[Steevo]

All this is the fault of white straight males who had the audacity to challenge the ooga booga ideas that held humanity back, and now the "tools" that don't understand that to the Victor go the spoils want to change the rules as advanced civilization has grown out of their grasp as the STEM fields are beyond their abilities.

If we aren't careful they will call down lighting or at the very least not vaccinate and kill us all with their pseudoscience, or just themselves.

The real issue here is the village idiots now have the world wide web to find each other and come up with more and more retarded ideas that the average news agency runs with, making it seem like an actual issue.

HAES, gender is a spectrum, anti-vax, gluten, gmo, flat Earth, modern feminism, open borders, socialisim, himilayan salt, healing crystals, homeopathic, and other stupid bullshit are easy ways to identify if someone is stupid.

Poor people don't create jobs, Bill gates didn't get rich forcing poor people to buy MS products, and democratically deciding to take more money from those who earned it is still theft.

 

[xorbe]

People have figured out that politicians have social power, and they too can be part time politicians by being loud on the internet. In some ways, China is being smart with their internet, but that depends on the intentions of leadership.

 

[StrayKAT]

People have figured out that politicians have social power, and they too can be part time politicians by being loud on the internet. In some ways, China is being smart with their internet, but that depends on the intentions of leadership.

I don't like China's censorship at all, but somehow, they're aware enough to laugh at what's happening the West. They don't even sound like communists. There's an insult popular around Chinese internet: 白左 . Bai Zhuo.. The "White Left". Kind of similar to "cuck" or SJW.

edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

Speaking of which, I have my doubts that any Chinese or Japanese distros will comply with the CoC.

 

[R-T-B]

Four pages of comments and forum warfare and not one person actually acknowledging that they've read the CoC... Internet can be fun place. Here it is folks (don't worry, it's actually shorter than some posts here ):

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct.html

To me, that's just a long-winded way of saying to other people: "Don't be a dick." I honestly don't get the drama, and that goes for the editorial as well. You can relax, the women will stay in the kitchen (for the unitiated, that's troll bait).

Ford and I did. Not that it helped.

Good job, editorial poster, you've made me come out of my lurking closet. It only goes to show that drama sells

How I... wish you were wrong.

Speaking of which, I have my doubts that any Chinese or Japanese distros will comply with the CoC.

No distros have to. Heck nobody but the kernel.org kernel team has to.

 

[HammerOn1024]

Civility can go a long way: Also a thick skin. Bully by mob will only bring out the worst in the mob. I typically choose to leave and watch the mob implode at that point.

Nothing worse than a sausage fest of upset, entitled, elitist nerds...

In as much as I appreciate the uncandid language from Torvalds, you can't go around cursing at people all the time, just because you disagree with how they do things.
I'm also not sure why these people are upset about the fact that he wants to clean his act up and along with it, the community as a whole.

Obviously, it shouldn't go as far as some comments on this topic is suggesting, that people get ousted because people gang up against someone they dislike for whatever reason.
The world in general needs to grow up, but even more so the people in the tech industry. Move the f out of your mama's basement and get a life outside of what you're doing on the interweb.

 

[the54thvoid]

Maybe the government should spend the money on helping those under educated whites with job programs (that pay a decent wagenot that crap that makes people feel worthless) instead of giving it to the immigrants then? I guess the idea of the nation-state is dead until World War 3 breaks out and they call them up for duty.

We spend next to nothing on immigrants. Google Grenfell Tower to see how we treat them.

 

[StrayKAT]

Ford and I did. Not that it helped.



How I... wish you were wrong.



No distros have to. Heck nobody but the kernel.org kernel team has to.

Eventually it would play some factor, depending on kernel versions. None of them are using the newest post-COC one though.

But I could see China fork the kernel as a whole as well. Linus was one of the only people preventing the NSA having a say in his OS.

edit: P.S. Now that Linus is out of the way, if you think a bunch of purple haired agitators are the only ones trying to grab power, then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[Steevo]

We spend next to nothing on immigrants. Google Grenfell Tower to see how we treat them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36487781

Maybe they did it to themselves. Why work at making your home better if you can get together and decide to take someone else's.... I guess socialisim does work.

Shithole countries do exist, and all countries have shithole areas.

 

[xkm1948]

Over 100 replies and not a AMD versus Intel or RTG versus Nvidia topic? Must be a political one then. Good to see TPU also have a healthy doesage of political views.

My 2 cents is: learn to code beautifully or GTFO. I don’t give a flying wet **** about what you declare yourself to be. World does not run on feelings.

 

[StrayKAT]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36487781

Maybe they did it to themselves. Why work at making your home better if you can get together and decide to take someone else's.... I guess socialisim does work.

Shithole countries do exist, and all countries have shithole areas.

Apparently Switzerland doesn't have ghettos.

I'm drawing a blank on any others.

 

[Valantar]

People are using outrage culture (offensive, triggered, ece) to try and control other people and force them to fall in step with their political beliefs. These people are called SJWs.

Can you please explain how demanding equal treatment and respect compared to one's peers (and demanding systems with inherent bias to be reconfigured to remove this) is somehow forcing you to fall in step with their political beliefs? Isn't constructing and maintaining a biased system - such as one that gives straight white men preferential treatment (which there exists more than sufficient data to say exists in a plethora of fields) - also then forcing your political beliefs on others? Or are you claiming that our current social reality is somehow apolitical or politically neutral?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36487781

Maybe they did it to themselves. Why work at making your home better if you can get together and decide to take someone else's.... I guess socialisim does work.

Shithole countries do exist, and all countries have shithole areas.

Ah, the classic "poverty is the fault of the poor people" argument. It's so convenient, as it entirely absolves everyone else of any responsibility to make society a better place. It's just too bad that there are overwhelming amounts of evidence to this being entirely untrue.

 

[StrayKAT]

I don't even know how "preferential" treatment would even work for open source. Almost all of it is remote and corresponding with email. Not entirely anonymous, but it's hardly dealing with some monolithic power structure.

That people even can be so cynical and have visions of dystopia tells me they are the ones with the problem. Especially when dealing with eggheads who don't care about much except a subset of a subset of an arcane operating system. What is it about the guy writing "e2fsprogs" that somehow reeks of the "white patriarchy"?

 

[Ferrum Master]

But please, do your research before spouting garbage.

I guess that's your garbage... I mean really if you think everything is fine, okay. Sleep under motorway bridge... sigh... you can spot the same sight in the north of Berlin, across all EU actually. Things do change. And media is really not the culprit here.

Btw sure Sweden has experience of Extradition of the Balts like in 1946, I am waiting for it. Seriously, you got hooked like a champ.

 

[MrGenius]

I don't even know how "preferential" treatment would even work for open source. Almost all of it is remote and corresponding with email. Not entirely anonymous, but it's hardly dealing with some monolithic power structure.

That people even can be so cynical and have visions of dystopia tells me they are the ones with the problem. Especially when dealing with eggheads who don't care about much except a subset of a subset of an arcane operating system. What is it about the guy writing "e2fsprogs" that somehow reeks of the "white patriarchy"?

Word.

The whole SJW thing is just a fad. It's the modern equivalent of being a hippy. And just like the dipshit hippies, the dipshit SJWs aren't going to change the world either. At least not in the radical manner they intend to. The weeds will get pulled from their garden of ideals. And what's left will gradually be accepted, if it's worthwhile. Which is fine with me. It's the outright idiocy ideals, and flat out stupidity, that I personally have a problem with. And the lies, and fake claims of oppression, that isn't really happening. It's just a play for power. Exactly the opposite of what it's stated to be. They don't really strive for a middle ground of acceptance. It's an attempt at total domination. They don't really want to coexist. They want to rule uncontested. Which is fucking stupid. And IS NOT going to happen. They need to wise up and stop trying. We're not all like them. And we're not all going to be like them. Ever. End of story.

Can you please explain how demanding equal treatment and respect compared to one's peers (and demanding systems with inherent bias to be reconfigured to remove this) is somehow forcing you to fall in step with their political beliefs? Isn't constructing and maintaining a biased system - such as one that gives straight white men preferential treatment (which there exists more than sufficient data to say exists in a plethora of fields) - also then forcing your political beliefs on others? Or are you claiming that our current social reality is somehow apolitical or politically neutral?

How about you just stop making shit up. Please. It's getting very old. Very fast. Stop playing the victim and get on with your life. Accept responsibility for yourself. And stop blaming others for your problems. It's hella childish. To put it lightly...

 

[Valantar]

How about you just stop making shit up. Please. It's getting very old. Very fast. Stop playing the victim and get on with your life. Accept responsibility for yourself. And stop blaming others for your problems. It's hella childish. To put it lightly...

Wow, that sounds exactly like what I'd want to reply to your paragraph above that. What, exactly, have I made up? What problems of mine have I mentioned here? Have I claimed to be a victim of discrimination?

That (gender, sexual orientation, racial, and other) discrimination and bias in the tech industry exists is an indisputable fact. Other than that, I can't think of any factual claims I've made. As I'm not a woman and don't work (or want to work) in tech, I don't quite see why any of the rest applies to me. Though I suppose I should thank you for making yourself look silly by resorting to ad hominem straw man arguments rather than addressing anything I said? It certainly doesn't help your case.

In all honesty a great purge is coming, but Linux isn't where the (first) major impact will be ~ it'll be the entire humanity! Things simply cannot go on the way they have over the last few decades, something has to give way.

You know, resorting to the language of genocide and war doesn't really make you come off as a reasonable person. Maybe tone down the rhetoric a few notches?

 

[R0H1T]

You know, resorting to the language of genocide and war doesn't really make you come off as a reasonable person. Maybe tone down the rhetoric a few notches?

I'm hinting more towards civil war kind of a thing not WWIII, the fabric of our society depends on the basic principle of understanding ~ which is breaking down as we speak. The purge IMO would be the biggest change & possibly the most painful change ever, it doesn't have to be bloody but the powers that be will probably not relinquish their authority easily.

And I still maintain one thing, above all ~ the real war (like in GoT) isn't between the right or the left, it's between the insanely/greedily wealthy & power hungry vs the avg person whose life can change any time on the whims & fancies of the former.

 

[hat]

Popcorn is getting stale guys...

 

[Valantar]

I'm hinting more towards civil war kind of a thing, the fabric of our society depends on the basic pricinple of understanding ~ which is breaking down as we speak. The purge IMO would be the biggest change & possibly the most painful change ever, it doesn't have to be bloody but the powers that be will probably not reliquish their authority easily.

And I still maintain one thing, above all ~ the real war (like in GoT) isn't between the right or the left, it's between the insanely/greedily wealthy & power hungry vs the avg person who's life can change anytime on the whims & fancies of the former.

I entirely agree with the second paragraph there, though I don't believe in any kind of violent attempt at resolving inequality, as violent "solutions" always lead to the creation of new hierarchies to replace the old ones. The Russian revolution and the rapid decline of the Soviet Union from barely-attempted Socialism to outright fascism is a classic example of this. There are plenty of legal channels to enact this change, even if it will be slow.

As for the first, the main issue isn't that understanding is breaking down, but that for the first time in history it's easy for marginalized groups to express themselves while we've also built up a system of research and knowledge-gathering institutions who analyze our society freely rather than by the wishes or commands of those in power. From this, we suddenly have a multitude of conflicting interpretations of society and reality, and a privileged group that has thus far been the default to power (in the West: white men) who suddenly have their entire worldview fundamentally challenged by a host of opponents. When a lot of these people don't have nice, cushy lives (thanks, capitalism!) and thus don't see themselves as privileged (even though they are, just not in all ways, and it's of course possible to be both privileged and not at the same time in different fields), the "easiest" reaction is conflict and denial rather than understanding and dialogue. If everyone took a step back and attempted to listen to the experiences of others, this could be a relatively smooth transition. The problem is that some groups see the removal of privilege as an attack on them, when it's actually a leveling of the playing field.

 

[StrayKAT]

Popcorn is getting stale guys...

Well, you can entertain conspiracy theories like me. That's kind of entertaining?

Who has the most to gain from this? Which unlikely entity is somehow a top contributor of Linux code? Why are on they on the Linux Foundation? Who owns GitHub, where this CoC first flourished?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish


Microsoft once called Linux a "cancer". I think they might purposely be turning it into a cancer.. and fulfilling their own description.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

basically it's a "How to lose your own job post in 5 minutes" shenanigans.

 

[R-T-B]

I guess that's your garbage... I mean really if you think everything is fine, okay. Sleep under motorway bridge... sigh... you can spot the same sight in the north of Berlin, across all EU actually. Things do change. And media is really not the culprit here.

Btw sure Sweden has experience of Extradition of the Balts like in 1946, I am waiting for it. Seriously, you got hooked like a champ.

Wrong quote, Ferrum Master. Leave me out of this.

Wow, didn't take long to get to "great purge" status I see... holy balls.

...

I leave now.