Graphics Card Manufacturing Being Moved From China in Bid to Escape Import Tariffs - Price to Increase 5-10%

[ArchStupid]

Trump continues to do his bit to help the American public by making them pay more for their goods, or put another way, making them a little poorer.

Better that he makes them a bit poorer now to stop the Chinese from making them a LOT poorer in the future.
Putting your head in the sand and ignoring your enemies is not a smart strategy. (The enemy being the Chinese dictatorship)

 

[Patriot]

Better that he makes them a bit poorer now to stop the Chinese from making them a LOT poorer in the future.
Putting your head in the sand and ignoring your enemies is not a smart strategy. (The enemy being the Chinese dictatorship)

You mean the 2025 goal with all the brazenly stolen IP? Yeah... Frankly still can't believe that was announced publicly.

 

[Assimilator]

well dang it I guess that's a good reason to give up an additional 566.03 billion U.S. dollars a year because that will help...jeapers.

Trade deficit is meaningless for an economy that is primarily service-based like the USA. That's why you don't hear other first-world countries complaining about their deficits with countries that have primarily manufacturing-focused economies... because it doesn't fucking matter.

I think the corporate tax rate is 20% or in the twenties now

It doesn't matter what the corporate tax rate is if corporations can get out of paying what they actually owe. And the reason they can do that is because of deregulation... which happens to be one of the platforms of the political party that Donald Trump is a part of. Yet somehow you never hear his supporters call for closing up the laws that allow megacorporations to dodge taxes with impunity... funny, that.

 

[DRDNA]

Trade deficit is meaningless for an economy that is primarily service-based like the USA. That's why you don't hear other first-world countries complaining about their deficits with countries that have primarily manufacturing-focused economies... because it doesn't fucking matter.



It doesn't matter what the corporate tax rate is if corporations can get out of paying what they actually owe. And the reason they can do that is because of deregulation... which happens to be one of the platforms of the political party that Donald Trump is a part of. Yet somehow you never hear his supporters call for closing up the laws that allow megacorporations to dodge taxes with impunity... funny, that.

Meaningless to a person who lives in South Africa but not at all meaningless to the Americans with their eyes open..... fixing the trade deficit will fix a LOT more than the deficit and as Americans we care and we will fix this no matter what anyone says...the best have tried to stop this and now the better are fixing it...watch and see..... also it was NAFTA that did the service thing to us in the US and that's also going to change it is already changing and again the fix the current Administration is doing will also be unstoppable by anyone or anything...again watch and see as it is already happening..

 

[StrayKAT]

If it goes to Mexico, I won't complain. My Samsung TV was made in Mexico. It doesn't seem all that different than what they were before. And I've been buying guitar equipment over the years from Mexico (along with USA). It's been decently priced too... although it isn't entirely electronics.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

If it goes to Mexico, I won't complain. My Samsung TV was made in Mexico. It doesn't seem all that different than what they were before. And I've been buying guitar equipment over the years from Mexico (along with USA). It's been decently priced too... although it isn't entirely electronics.

Mexico has a better trade agreement than we do with China.

 

[Assimilator]

Meaningless to a person who lives in South Africa but not at all meaningless to the Americans with their eyes open..... fixing the trade deficit will fix a LOT more than the deficit and as Americans we care and we will fix this no matter what anyone says...the best have tried to stop this and now the better are fixing it...watch and see..... also it was NAFTA that did the service thing to us in the US and that's also going to change it is already changing and again the fix the current Administration is doing will also be unstoppable by anyone or anything...again watch and see as it is already happening..

I guess "eyes open" means "completely ignorant of basic economics".

 

[Vayra86]

Meaningless to a person who lives in South Africa but not at all meaningless to the Americans with their eyes open..... fixing the trade deficit will fix a LOT more than the deficit and as Americans we care and we will fix this no matter what anyone says...the best have tried to stop this and now the better are fixing it...watch and see..... also it was NAFTA that did the service thing to us in the US and that's also going to change it is already changing and again the fix the current Administration is doing will also be unstoppable by anyone or anything...again watch and see as it is already happening..

This only underlines how little you really know, nothing else. 'The better'... typical alpha male, dumb brute statement. If it was better, it would have surfaced as a real policy long ago.
You also selectively responded to his reply by focusing on the trade deficit which is really nothing more than copy pasting popular media. Care to also respond to megacorp tax evasion while you're at it? And how deregulated financial markets are a staple of Republicans since day one? Or is that one of those painful truths you choose to ignore, like many others? Oh no wait - its fake news!

As for 'the service thing'... guess what, after an industrial revolution and modernization following upon it, we ourselves (literally everyone) decided that moving manufacturing to low cost countries was a great move and eventually automation and robotization would take over anyway. We knew that in the future, knowledge is power to the n'th degree, and workforce as simple laborers has no future at all. The current situation confirms this. There simply are fewer hands needed where machines can do the job, and they can do it. And wherever hands are truly needed, you want either very skilled and dedicated craftsman (high end, low volume product) or very good technicians and people who know more than how to push the on/off button. The same thing will happen in China. So let's fast forward a few decades... when the US has gone back to manual labor and the rest of the world has moved on. At that point, the US will be forced into China's position, forced to steal technology to keep up with reality. Also, anyone who believes that you can still do simple labor without using any brain cells, is just living in alternate lala-land. That time has passed, education matters now more than it ever did.

You should read my earlier post, and think hard on what's in there, perhaps you can see some logic you didn't before. And do read all of it, not just what you like to hear

'My eyes are open'... you know where that line comes from? The religious nuts in Far Cry 5, and many other fanatics and extremists. Another oneliner you may want to think hard about.

EDIT: -1 is a pretty sad response, but to each his own. I'll take it as denial.

 

[DRDNA]

I guess "eyes open" means "completely ignorant of basic economics".

This only underlines how little you really know, nothing else. 'The better'... typical alpha male, dumb brute statement. If it was better, it would have surfaced as a real policy long ago.
You also selectively responded to his reply by focusing on the trade deficit which is really nothing more than copy pasting popular media. Care to also respond to megacorp tax evasion while you're at it? And how deregulated financial markets are a staple of Republicans since day one? Or is that one of those painful truths you choose to ignore, like many others? Oh no wait - its fake news!

As for 'the service thing'... guess what, after an industrial revolution and modernization following upon it, we ourselves (literally everyone) decided that moving manufacturing to low cost countries was a great move and eventually automation and robotization would take over anyway. We knew that in the future, knowledge is power to the n'th degree, and workforce as simple laborers has no future at all. The current situation confirms this. There simply are fewer hands needed where machines can do the job, and they can do it. And wherever hands are truly needed, you want either very skilled and dedicated craftsman (high end, low volume product) or very good technicians and people who know more than how to push the on/off button. The same thing will happen in China. So let's fast forward a few decades... when the US has gone back to manual labor and the rest of the world has moved on. At that point, the US will be forced into China's position, forced to steal technology to keep up with reality. Also, anyone who believes that you can still do simple labor without using any brain cells, is just living in alternate lala-land. That time has passed, education matters now more than it ever did.

You should read my earlier post, and think hard on what's in there, perhaps you can see some logic you didn't before. And do read all of it, not just what you like to hear

'My eyes are open'... you know where that line comes from? The religious nuts in Far Cry 5, and many other fanatics and extremists. Another oneliner you may want to think hard about.

I certainly trust President Trump more than either of you two. Push that crap on someone else,thank you.

 

[Vayra86]

I certainly trust President Trump more than either of you two. Push that crap on someone else,thank you.

One only needs to read your sig to get that message. It would be great if you took the plunge and actually discussed those truths you are so convinced of. With actual, fact based arguments instead of empty rhetoric. Who knows, you might convince me.

BTW, I've never said you should 'trust' me. I never asked you to trust me. The only people who ask that, are those who will betray that trust (and are probably already doing it right now). Logic doesn't need trust, it just needs attention.

 

[DRDNA]

One only needs to read your sig to get that message. It would be great if you took the plunge and actually discussed those truths you are so convinced of. With actual, fact based arguments instead of empty rhetoric. Who knows, you might convince me.

BTW, I've never said you should 'trust' me. I never asked you to trust me. The only people who ask that, are those who will betray that trust (and are probably already doing it right now). Logic doesn't need trust, it just needs attention.

i hear you loud and clear and right now you saying blah blah blah .......you can't prove a freaking thing...the USA is doing better with Trump than ever before under anyone else...you want to blame him for crap that happened under other Presidents..... man your stuff is getting really smelly.

 

[EatingDirt]

I used to work on a surface mount line here in Wisconsin.... made boards for Lucent, Atari, etc... my mom worked at the same place for 20+ years. When they opened a plant in another country to cut costs, the American companies spent a lot more time on rework coming from the other countries.

I would gladly pay an extea 20% for a card that was made from mostly US components and manufacturing.

US manufacturing is not coming back because of these tariffs, and it'd be much more than a 20% increase in goods cost if it did. Just for some perspective, the wage for a worker in china is around $3,500 a year. An individual in the US making minimum wage makes around $14,000 a year, 400% more than an individual in China.

not at all true.
this is the reason why he did it>>>> In 2017, the United States had a trade deficit of 566.03 billion U.S. dollars.

these Tariffs will help counter deficit the USA faces, nothing will or can stop this deficit war that is going on except the removal of the deficit, it is understandable that in the process some things will be a bit harder or maybe even in some area's a bit more costly but the end result is going to be the removal of this deficit whether or not anyone likes it or is happy about it. So far it is working for the US and frankly it's about damn time!

These tariffs won't reduce that trade deficit at all. It'll just end up transferring some of the trade deficit with China to other countries, that's it. It's possible we see a some tech manufacturing jobs moved to other countries from China, but the jobs aren't coming back to the US, where even the lowest paid individual gets paid 4x more than someone in China.

Now if that's enough for you that goods aren't being manufactured in China, that's fine, but you shouldn't hold onto the hope that this will somehow reduce the trade deficit in general, it won't. In fact it's possible we see the deficit continue to grow, as the cost of labor in Taiwan & Mexico is at least 30% higher than it is in mainland China.

 

[Vayra86]

i hear you loud and clear and right now you saying blah blah blah .......you can't prove a freaking thing...the USA is doing better with Trump than ever before under anyone else...you want to blame him for crap that happened under other Presidents..... man your stuff is getting really smelly.

Its not about proof or specific presidents though. Its about principles that have been actually happening in the actual history of this planet. You won't hear me saying anything about specific presidents, policy is still largely fact-based in most administrations, as it should be. Fact-based - another one of those words Trump really doesn't want to hear. He prefers creating his own, to pull wool over your eyes. Such as the odd idea that the current economical growth is due to his policies - it isn't, those credits belong to those before him. Economical policy effects are only starting to get visible much later, never directly...

As for that pudding you mention, I'm genuinely curious what you consider to be proof of effective policy right now. Got a few links?

By the way, when it comes to Mexico and the idea of reducing illegal immigration originating from there by creating jobs, that does echo logic and reason to me. Its the very thing any kind of traditional aid to poor countries always lacks and why it never works. You need to improve the economy and living standards at home to keep people there. So in that respect, I can only applaud the move.

 

[DRDNA]

as the cost of labor in Taiwan & Mexico is at least 30% higher than it is in mainland China.

This has already been addressed in a live speech just yesterday to the USA by the President.....not only is Mexico in place for this with President Trump but we also think Cananda will end up on board too.....even with out Canada, this administration has it worked out and they don't really have to explain it to anyone as an open invitation to sabotage it. I understand everyone's disbelief but the proof is in the pudding they say and we are already seeing lots of pudding....

 

[StrayKAT]

Such as the odd idea that the current economical growth is due to his policies - it isn't, those credits belong to those before him. Economical policy effects are only starting to get visible much later, never directly...
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They do not. I know you're smart. I know it. And this doesn't even take much intelligence to understand. It's as simple as going from point A to B. You don't create booming economies by regulations (which have the double of effect of pissing off corporations AND sinking small businesses), destroying large segments of manufacturing and energy, and raising taxes. Even Obama himself said 2% GDP is the 'new normal' and to get used to it. Then he later derided Trump for saying he could raise GDP, and mockingly asked if he "had a magic wand?" Now GDP is over 4%.

It seems neither you or Obama himself really wanted to get used to it and now claim things that aren't yours.

And if it took 8 years for those engines to actually get rolling, it's still a stupid economical plan on that alone. Obama burns himself even when he tries to claim things.

 

[Vayra86]

They do not. I know you're smart. I know it. And this doesn't even take much intelligence to understand. It's as simple as going from point A to B. You don't create booming economies by regulations (which have the double of effect of pissing off corporations AND sinking small businesses), destroying large segments of manufacturing and energy, and raising taxes. Even Obama himself said 2% GDP is the 'new normal' and to get used to it. Then he later derided Trump for saying he could raise GDP, and mockingly asked if he "had a magic wand?" Now GDP is over 4%.

It seems neither you or Obama himself really wanted to get used to it and now claim things that aren't yours.

And if it took 8 years for those engines to actually get rolling, it's still a stupid economical plan on that alone. Obama burns himself even when he tries to claim things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–2008

https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-recession-is-looming-1538088367

These are the real engines. The simple flow of economy's ups and downs, which always span multiple years. Trump took office at the end of the 2008 recession, so now we see some mild recovery after new investments were made - again - before Trump took office. The second link shows that the future may really not be that bright however.

To think large scale economical change has any relation to new policy is tunnel vision.

 

[DRDNA]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–2008

https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-recession-is-looming-1538088367

These are the real engines. The simple flow of economy's ups and downs, which always span multiple years. Trump took office at the end of the 2008 recession, so now we see some mild recovery after new investments were made - again - before Trump took office. The second link shows that the future may really not be that bright however.

Its going to be far brighter than it was thanks to President Trump...Truth!

 

[Vayra86]

Its going to far brighter than it was thanks to President Trump...Truth!

Let's revisit this in a couple of years! I'm having high expectations.

 

[DRDNA]

Let's revisit this in a couple of years! I'm having high expectations.

agreed. You know I'm not going any where...been here since 2006 ....hoping for a much longer time here too. As i hope the same for you too.

 

[StrayKAT]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–2008

https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-recession-is-looming-1538088367

These are the real engines. The simple flow of economy's ups and downs, which always span multiple years. Trump took office at the end of the 2008 recession, so now we see some mild recovery after new investments were made - again - before Trump took office. The second link shows that the future may really not be that bright however.

To think large scale economical change has any relation to new policy is tunnel vision.

It recovered before that. It just didn't grow. Hence Obama's own words.. "the new normal".

Confidence is what boosts an economy. Or what they like to call "animal spirits" (coined by a liberal Keynes btw.. but at least he wasn't an idiot on this). It's the same reason Reagan's 80s immediately boomed when he got in office, after the slow drag of Carter. Carter didn't do jack to set up Reagan up either. Confidence did.

When your President is a self-defeatist who talks about "new normals", there is no chance of confidence from either markets or consumers. And higher regulations and taxes produce inaction, not action. Hell, many of the big companies went outright lawless and shelved their cash overseas. Nothing even circulated.

 

[rtwjunkie]

It doesn't matter what the corporate tax rate is if corporations can get out of paying what they actually owe. And the reason they can do that is because of deregulation... which happens to be one of the platforms of the political party that Donald Trump is a part of. Yet somehow you never hear his supporters call for closing up the laws that allow megacorporations to dodge taxes with impunity... funny, that.

Funny how non-U.S. Citizens seem clueless that the largest amount of taxes collected by the government is from corporations, not individuals. I’ve told you before, stick to what you actually know, which is YOUR country.

 

[EatingDirt]

This has already been addressed in a live speech just yesterday to the USA by the President.....not only is Mexico in place for this with President Trump but we also think Cananda will end up on board too.....even with out Canada, this administration has it worked out and they don't really have to explain it to anyone as an open invitation to sabotage it. I understand everyone's disbelief but the proof is in the pudding they say and we are already seeing lots of pudding....

You... didn't say anything here. Mexico isn't going to reduce their labor cost by 30% magically because.. Trump? That's not how things work & it's not how trade works. The cost for just the labor will be 30% higher in Mexico, it's that simple. Not to mention the possible increase in cost of materials. I also noticed you conveniently ignored the rest of the post about deficits, I'll just assume because you already know this is just transferring the trade deficit to other countries, and in fact won't have any significant impact in the reduction of the trade deficit overall.

Its going to be far brighter than it was thanks to President Trump...Truth!

This is a tech site, not a political site if I recall correctly. Maybe tone it down a little.

 

[R-T-B]

well dang it I guess that's a good reason to give up an additional 566.03 billion U.S. dollars a year because that will help...jeapers.

I think the point was that 563.03 billion (no matter how bolded) is really pocket change in terms of doing anything.

I'd go further. I'd say it's a drop in the bucket. That's assuming we even get it.

Meanwhile, we are all hurting for it in our holiday electronics spree. Majorly, if it goes to 30%. You want to fix the deficit? Look at defunding armed forces (we already pay many times more than any other nation in the entire world, including Russia), raising taxes, or both. None of these are on Trump's agenda.

Funny how non-U.S. Citizens seem clueless that the largest amount of taxes collected by the government is from corporations, not individuals. I’ve told you before, stick to what you actually know, which is YOUR country.

You could try to teach them in a less agressive way. It's not like they are trying to laugh at us, but behavior like this just asks for it frankly.

This is a tech site, not a political site if I recall correctly. Maybe tone it down a little.

I feel like that ship sailed. And it depresses me greatly.

 

[StrayKAT]

Addendum: Seems that young Obama was more keen than the old one. This is what DC does to people.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...cess-to-the-goal-of-the-american-dream-as-law

“Americans have a continuing normative commitment to the ideals of individual freedom and mobility, values that extend far beyond the issue of race in the American mind. The depth of this commitment may be summarily dismissed as the unfounded optimism of the average American—I may not be Donald Trump now, but just you wait; if I don't make it, my children will” - Barack Obama 1991

 

[rtwjunkie]

You could try to teach them in a less agressive way. It's not like they are trying to laugh at us, but behavior like this just asks for it frankly.

No, he especially, no matter the topic uses the opportunity to U.S. bash. Frankly I’m sick of it and our mods that allow this. People like him and Vayra and a few others always point out negative things about the U.S., as if we have any control over squat. All that is going to do is cause anger amongst members, dividing the community. And mods apparently are A-ok with this, despite the rules against politics.

Where tho, may I ask, do we bash their countries? So no, my aggression is out now, and well justified.