First Intel Core i7-9700K Review Surfaces

[lexluthermiester]

WTF man? Maybe he's from Spain and has some input we might not otherwise know? Why the vehement response?
Maybe, maybe not? I did not read his initial post that way.
So yeah, it kinda does.

Their OP seem needlessly hostile at TPU. Maybe it was just me.

 

[hat]

Their OP seem needlessly hostile at TPU. Maybe it was just me.

I didn't think it was aimed at TPU at all, more so the source site.

 

[Bluescreendeath]

The world's first gaming 8 core CPU. Thanks Intel!

5820k games well because Intel can add more cores without compromising gaming performance. And the 5820k is a HEDT; it's supposed to do well in gaming.

Your comments make no sense because the Ryzen 2 performs fine in games, and models such as the 2600X and 2700X perform just as well as the 5820k in gaming benchmarks.

 

[lexluthermiester]

and models such as the 2600X and 2700X perform just as well as the 5820k in gaming benchmarks.

Better in most cases..

 

[GoldenX]

Warning, don't feed the troll.
This is compatible with current 300 series motherboards, right?

 

[dirtyferret]

Can you specify what is a gaming CPU? Does it need to have RGBs and be branded with a "gaming" brand?

I can play games fine with my 5820K even that it's not a "gaming" CPU.

Gaming PC hardware has key marketing words like "Elite, PWND, Military Grade, Killer, or the actual word Gaming" in it's title. RGB only helps in overclocking gaming hardware, duh!

Warning, don't feed the troll.
This is compatible with current 300 series motherboards, right?

I believe so, I checked my z370 gigabyte mobo and they do support it. If it's the same price as the 8700k then it's a nice alternative, especially if you can OC it higher. I personally would prefer real cores over HT but once I see FPS for games over 100 I start to roll my eyes.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

First gaming 8-core? Haven't heard of Ryzen before..?

My E5-1680 v2 was one of the truly FIRST 8 core and hyperthreading gaming 8 cores, OK it was a ridiculously priced Xeon but 5 months ago I got mine for slightly less than this processor and it has hyperthreading.

 

[gamerman]

hmm, its seen clear that thouse so called review or preview are much useless,too much collect games.

its clear that 6-core 8700 and 8-core 9600k are absolute best gaming cpus,crystal! and very near coming 9700k cpu.

ryzen 2700x has nothing changce to battle against 9000 series cpus..bcoz its loose even now 8000 series cpus .

9900k is win all not so real world test....

summarum... intel win anytimes battle for best cpu when battle is wthout handicap for amd.

thats why amd or some1 took amd ryzen 10-core cpu,but that not exist and not coming.
and its not help 9900k rulez.

anyway.. cinbench,rendering... who cares!!

games fps and 3dmarks score... all cares!!


hmm,get these:

- z370/390 asus hero mobo
- 9700k cpu and good cooler like D15 or alpenhöhn olymp
- 2x8gb 4000mhz CL17 mems
- nvidia 2080 ti AIB gpu

and doesent matter what ever ANOTHER ppl use ANY another componet,you will be number one and top parts,and when u want sell it after 10 years ppl buy then at once.

price? about 2000$,little more than useless 32-core amd cpu,but when you buy thouse you DONT need udate any parts 10 years,all games running 4K with 50-60 fps
also u dont need buy 1200W psu and countries dont need build more nuclear factory...bcoz ppl dont get it,
nvidia eat at least 150W less power and more if we check cpus also.

so, only 150w different means,that if 100000 ppl buy amd parts we need more nuclear factorys... different is 15 TWh/year!



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[Bluescreendeath]

anyway.. cinbench,rendering... who cares!!

games fps and 3dmarks score... all cares!!

$$$ = most important factor you're forgetting. The Intel cpus are marginally better than the AMD ones in gaming. You're looking at 5-10% max difference in fps and both CPUs get well over 100+ fps. So you won't even notice the difference. However, the Intel CPUs are a good deal more expensive than the AMD ones. So even if we ignore the fact that the AMD cpus perform better in multithreaded programs, the price for performance ratio for Intel may not be as good as that of AMD's if we look at gaming.

 

[John Naylor]

To be fair, since the focus is gaming, how fast it zips / unzips files and runs apps that are not on the PC are of no consequence. Its like telling a soccer mom in Florida that she's be better off w/ 4 WD and snow tires. My gaming box is a 'after hours' use of a CAD workstation. Ryzen extra cores have 0 impact on anything I do in the course of making my living. From TPU reviews ....

2700x - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. This means that for general productivity, AMD's Ryzen is now on par with what Intel has to offer . The majority of games definitely run faster on Intel.
2700 - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. If you're purely into gaming, then Intel's 8th generation Core processor family is still ahead in gaming performance, and the i7-8700 looks like the better choice at this price.
2600x - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. The majority of games definitely run faster on Intel,

I don't see that anyone wasn't aware that the Ryzen CPus are cheaper, nor are they forgetting that the Ryzen MoBos are more expensive.

Ryzen 2700x - $330
Accompanying MSI Gaming MoBo w/ ALC 1220 $170
Total = $500

Intel 8700k - $380
Accompanying MSI Gaming MoBo w/ ALC 1220 $130
Total = $510

So Intel package is costing ya $10 more ... but 8700k is outta stock on many sites.

 

[Bluescreendeath]

To be fair, since the focus is gaming, how fast it zips / unzips files and runs apps that are not on the PC are of no consequence. Its like telling a soccer mom in Florida that she's be better off w/ 4 WD and snow tires. My gaming box is a 'after hours' use of a CAD workstation. Ryzen extra cores have 0 impact on anything I do in the course of making my living. From TPU reviews ....

2700x - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. This means that for general productivity, AMD's Ryzen is now on par with what Intel has to offer . The majority of games definitely run faster on Intel.
2700 - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. If you're purely into gaming, then Intel's 8th generation Core processor family is still ahead in gaming performance, and the i7-8700 looks like the better choice at this price.
2600x - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. The majority of games definitely run faster on Intel,

But even for gaming, people don't often "just" game. Gamers often stream, Twitch, run programs and applications in the background (encoding, etc). That all favors more overall CPU power.

So yes, if you want to run nothing but 1 program and that program is a video game, Intel will be the winner and be 5-10% better. If you want to run programs in the background while gaming, then that's a different story.

I don't see that anyone wasn't aware that the Ryzen CPus are cheaper, nor are they forgetting that the Ryzen MoBos are more expensive.
Ryzen 2700x - $330
Accompanying MSI Gaming MoBo w/ ALC 1220 $170
Total = $500
Intel 8700k - $380
Accompanying MSI Gaming MoBo w/ ALC 1220 $130
Total = $510
So Intel package is costing ya $10 more ... but 8700k is outta stock on many sites.

There are a few issues with this assessment. You need a good motherboard and a K series with Intel because overclocking is locked for most CPUs and motherboards. That is not true for Ryzen. All Ryzen CPUs can be overclocked, and almost all Ryzen motherboards support overclocking (except A300s I believe). So even a cheap Ryzen with a cheaper motherboard (eg. Asus Prime B350 Plus for $90) would support decent overclocking. I've even seen some dirt cheap Ryzen motherboards capable of overclocking (eg. Asrock x370s) on sale for as low as $50-$60.

The Ryzen 2700 also overclocks to 4.2, and is roughly comparable to the 2700x: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ryzen-7-2700-2700x-review,5606-2.html

So the price comparison would be something like this:
Intel 8700k: ~$380
Accompanying MSI Gaming MoBo w/ ALC 1220: $130
Total = $510

Ryzen 2700 (non-X): ~$240-280
Your average Ryzen motherboard that supports overclocking: $80-$100
Total = $320-$380

 

[GlacierNine]

To be fair, since the focus is gaming, how fast it zips / unzips files and runs apps that are not on the PC are of no consequence. Its like telling a soccer mom in Florida that she's be better off w/ 4 WD and snow tires. My gaming box is a 'after hours' use of a CAD workstation. Ryzen extra cores have 0 impact on anything I do in the course of making my living. From TPU reviews ....

2700x - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. This means that for general productivity, AMD's Ryzen is now on par with what Intel has to offer . The majority of games definitely run faster on Intel.
2700 - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. If you're purely into gaming, then Intel's 8th generation Core processor family is still ahead in gaming performance, and the i7-8700 looks like the better choice at this price.
2600x - Single-threaded performance still lower than Intel's, limited overclocking potential, Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel, Lacks integrated graphics. The majority of games definitely run faster on Intel,

I don't see that anyone wasn't aware that the Ryzen CPus are cheaper, nor are they forgetting that the Ryzen MoBos are more expensive.

Ryzen 2700x - $330
Accompanying MSI Gaming MoBo w/ ALC 1220 $170
Total = $500

Intel 8700k - $380
Accompanying MSI Gaming MoBo w/ ALC 1220 $130
Total = $510

So Intel package is costing ya $10 more ... but 8700k is outta stock on many sites.

You're making a really weird argument that doesn't hold up at all.

Let's use actual pricing for a moment, from SCAN here in the UK.

The cheapest X470 + 2700X combination is £431.47

The cheapest Z370 + 8700K combination is £554.95 - The motherboard IS cheaper, but because of Intel's supply issues, the CPU alone costs more than the AMD combo does in total. Also, that motherboard is hot garbage for overclocking - look at the VRM heatsinks and compare them. You spend an extra £10 to move up to the MSI Gaming Plus that is equivalent to the AMD board.

That's an extra £133.98 (22%) to get into a platform that does one job 15% better than the other and other jobs about 10% worse.

Not to mention, there are titles now, and will be titles in future, that utilise more than 8 threads. The 2700X is already faster in selected games (Rise of the Tomb Raider), than the 8700K is, and that's *WITH* the IPC and clockspeed disadvantage:

But of course, you're arguing that the 8700 is a better buy, so let's step down a level, to the 8700, with the same MSI motherboard, the 8700 being £389.99 - Combined, they're £495.46, so still £64.05 more expensive than the AMD solution and in the process you've sacrificed the ability to overclock and increase your value.

To get that back you could drop to the 8600K, and you finally come in under the price of the AMD platform at £424.96, but you've lost hyperthreading and 500MHz of boost clock in the process. There's also less likelihood that your 8600K will actually clock as high even if you DO overclock it, because it's a lower end part to start with.

And then you've still got the opportunity, as you relied on in your post, to save more money by buying a 2700 instead and overclocking that, so you can drop your expenditure to £391.48 and again, save money compared to the Intel solution.

At the end of it all, you can pay 22% more for Intel's equivalent,
Or you can sacrifice overclocking and 2 cores, and still pay more, in return for a marginal IPC/clockspeed increase
Or you can pay less for a motherboard and still effectively lose overclocking because your board is garbage-tier
Or you can pay less for motherboard and CPU, and lose hyperthreading and 2 cores.

Or you can buy AMD and sacrifice a tiny amount of IPC/clockspeed in return for 2 cores (That some games already leverage and more will leverage in future), hyperthreading, overclocking, and a cost saving.

No brainer to me unless you have money to burn upgrading your rig to the latest and greatest at every release.

nvidia eat at least 150W less power and more if we check cpus also.

so, only 150w different means,that if 100000 ppl buy amd parts we need more nuclear factorys... different is 15 TWh/year!

Actually no: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition,5805-10.html
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/asus-rx-vega64-strix-oc,review-34379-4.html

A Founders edition 2080ti consumes the same power as an AIB partner Vega 64 does.

And Intel's "95W" TDP is complete horseshit. The 8700K actually consumes about 20% more power under load than the 2700X does if both CPU's are run stock.

https://img.purch.com/image006-png/...PLzAvNzY1NTA0L29yaWdpbmFsL2ltYWdlMDA2LnBuZw==

 

[Juventas]

So will Coffee Lake R still have the Spectre/Meltdown flaw like earlier Coffee Lake?

Also, is it true that there won't be a 65W i7 like Coffee Lake S?

 

[Tomorrow]

So will Coffee Lake R still have the Spectre/Meltdown flaw like earlier Coffee Lake?

Also, is it true that there won't be a 65W i7 like Coffee Lake S?

They have some fixes in hardware for meltdown with Whiskey Lake (9xxx series): https://www.anandtech.com/show/1330...e-intel-clarifies-whiskey-lake-and-amber-lake