Microsoft Pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update

[Aquinus]

OMG at least someone likes Windows in this cesspool. Everybody hates Windows 10 for no reason here.

No reason? Bricking my install after installing major updates twice isn't a reason?

 

[DRDNA]

Once again ignorant techpowerup users crisitise Windows 10 for no apparent reason! Windows 10 October Update was meant to be installed on October 8 or 9 for masses!!! Only people who manually downloaded and installed it are enthusiast PC users! And how can you call someone enthusiast PC user if they don't do any damn backup?! They are fools then and it's their own fault. Everybody should know that you have to make a backup every big Windows update.


Then use outdated and soon be vulnerable Windows 7 or even better, Windows XP!

It is probably best if these words were not used at ALL.

This is so convenient, this being my first windows 10 installation. It was a clean install and no visible problems but news like these are seriously stopping me from installing 10 on my home machine.
Does this warning apply to a fresh direct installation of Windows 10 1809 or only if you update a previously installed version?

It would only apply when updating, as a fresh install you wouldn't have any personal files on the system to wipe.

well there was also a mentioning of "Driver issues" and I'm guessing fresh install or upgrade may still be an issue, not 100% on this but it reads as such.

 

[hat]

i think these mostly unwanted six monthly updates are a total pain in the arse.. i know its connected with MS wanting to be a "service" rather than simply an operating system but its time they stopped it..

trog

I feel like it's like doing a dirty upgrade from xp to vista or something (when most would advise doing a clean install) every 6 months. And, of course, the update is going to break things that worked in the previous version, until they fix that... then time for the next update!

 

[Vayra86]

I feel like it's like doing a dirty upgrade from xp to vista or something (when most would advise doing a clean install) every 6 months. And, of course, the update is going to break things that worked in the previous version, until they fix that... then time for the next update!

I feel like MS just won't learn that its unwise to do big releases that combine essential and optional components. Patch Tuesday worked a whole lot better IMO, and the amount of user control back then was... not preferable, but still better than the weird postponing you can do with 10.

Surely MS will realize too that not a single of these big updates has been flawless yet and that the users don't give a rat's behind about the marketing surrounding each update. MS is acting like we want features they push into the OS when in fact the vast majority just wants it to work. They want to be a poor man's Apple... well they're doing quite well in that regard - emphasis on poor.

I'm at least glad I put the maximum delay on each update, my 10 experience has been mostly hassle free as a result.

 

[hat]

Or, MS will do what they want because they think they rule the world. This kind of stuff might actually matter to the masses, though, when everybody's computer is crashing and magically deleting files on its own... so maybe they'll quit with these huge 6 month updates.

I don't really remember... did service packs (XP, Vista, 7) usually have these problems?

 

[ssdpro]

OMG at least someone likes Windows in this cesspool. Everybody hates Windows 10 for no reason here.

Exactly; the comment section on sites like often reads like a conspiracy foil hat orgy. Windows 10 works great. I applied the update and kept all my files and haven't experienced any problem. Still, there seems to be a hiccup or we wouldn't have these reports. A hiccup that is easily reversed by numerous methods including free restoration, free recovery, or restoring your own backup. It boggles me there are people still out there that run their system with no backup. Yes, Microsoft should have caught this in the beta/preview build stages. Unfortunately mostly only competent, capable users take part in that program not the ordinary commoner that sometimes uses less than sanitary system organization so things like this don't expose.

Until some meaningful alternative comes along it is best to set aside the tissues and screaming pillows. It is ok to voice level-headed reasonable comments with a sense of perspective.

 

[Vayra86]

Or, MS will do what they want because they think they rule the world. This kind of stuff might actually matter to the masses, though, when everybody's computer is crashing and magically deleting files on its own... so maybe they'll quit with these huge 6 month updates.

I don't really remember... did service packs (XP, Vista, 7) usually have these problems?

My view on it is that Windows always had its issues and most of them are not directly attributable to MS but to all of the partners that need to adapt to it. With 10, it really is a first that MS is capable of major mistakes all on its own. The only real problems Windows had since XP was with Windows Update: failing updates that would block the rest from installing, failing Update launchers, and having to do clean installs for each Service Pack was not uncommon - but the OS itself was OK.

 

[Splinterdog]

Do you understand that Windows updates contain importans security patches, bug fixes, new features and it is recommended to install updates regularly or your PC is going to be vulnerable? I've upgraded to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1 in 2015 and had no issues for 3 years!

Well good for you!
The fact is that Windows updates have caused problems for users in so many different ways, not least crashing systems and installing updates at the most inconvenient of times.
I may do this kind of thing for a living (fixing PCs) but the vast majority of PC users simply want their machines to do the things they want to do and not mess around with endlessly fixing Windows Updates problems.
If temporarily stopping Windows Updates fixes my brother's problem, bearing in mind his appalling Internet speed, then so be it.

 

[matar]

This is why I had wrote before I am staying on 1709, I usually wait over 6 months or more to upgrade to the next version .

 

[hat]

So basically we're getting service packs, more frequently and less obviously than in the past. It's become part of the Windows Update process that just kinda happens in the background without very much user interaction.

@Splinterdog sounds like he may have to rely on using the Media Creation Tool or something similar every time a big update like this happens...

 

[LiveOrDie]

It is probably best if these words were not used at ALL.


well there was also a mentioning of "Driver issues" and I'm guessing fresh install or upgrade may still be an issue, not 100% on this but it reads as such.

Yeah there was driver issues but i think these were fixed when manufacturers rolled out new drivers for this version of windows, I know nvidia did but even then i was using the old version with no issues.

 

[Splinterdog]

Exactly; the comment section on sites like often reads like a conspiracy foil hat orgy. Windows 10 works great. I applied the update and kept all my files and haven't experienced any problem. Still, there seems to be a hiccup or we wouldn't have these reports. A hiccup that is easily reversed by numerous methods including free restoration, free recovery, or restoring your own backup. It boggles me there are people still out there that run their system with no backup. Yes, Microsoft should have caught this in the beta/preview build stages. Unfortunately mostly only competent, capable users take part in that program not the ordinary commoner that sometimes uses less than sanitary system organization so things like this don't expose.

Until some meaningful alternative comes along it is best to set aside the tissues and screaming pillows. It is ok to voice level-headed reasonable comments with a sense of perspective.

You clearly don't get it do you? A cock up like this has no defence and should never have happened, but it does. Whilst I'm glad many people haven't been affected, it's a rather bizarre situation we find ourselves in, where a major backup is necessary before a Windows Update, bearing in mind that many people (in my experience) simply do not understand Windows updates and don't back up regularly.
Further, most Windows updates happen in the background with no prior warning. I've yet to see a notice from Windows that says 'Back up your data before this update!', but I may be wrong.
Pulling up the ladder and saying I'm alright Jack, isn't helpful in the least.

 

[Aquinus]

Exactly; the comment section on sites like often reads like a conspiracy foil hat orgy. Windows 10 works great.

If you ask most people, including myself, we'll say that Windows 10 itself works fine. My problem isn't with Windows 10 as I actually like it when it's working. My problem is with these major updates. As I said earlier:

No reason? Bricking my install after installing major updates twice isn't a reason?

My problem is with the perpetual updates that cause problems. It's like upgrading to Windows Vista all over again except every time there is another major release. If I was content doing a fresh installation after every major upgrade, then I wouldn't care but, I do. I might be an extra bit salty because the last time it happened, it bricked my installation right before a day that I was working from home and an unclean shutdown with an NTFS drive means that re-mounting it without Windows is a pain in the rear end so, it even inhibited by ability to start Linux since my RAID-5 is mounted on boot (at the time, it was NTFS because I was dual-booting.)

To me, that was the last straw. So, sorry if I have a sour attitude but, remember that it's completely due to upgrades having exploded in my face at the most inconvenient times.

So, tl;dr: My problem isn't with Windows, it's with how they upgrade it.

 

[trparky]

What I really want to know is what the hell Microsoft was doing touching user data? OK, they probably have to update some data files (registry hive, config files, etc.) but the way that they're doing seems to be prone to disaster if everything doesn't go exactly according to plan.

What I figure they're doing is this...
1. Move all data that's in C:\Users to C:\Windows.old\Users.
2. Do the upgrade.
3. Move the data back from C:\Windows.old\Users back to C:\Users and update the files in the process.

This is absolutely insane!!! This kind of process, especially when dealing with a whole lot of files, can lead to things going wrong if you don't do a thorough check to see if all data files are there after you do the file move.

What the really should be doing is...
1. Find the files in C:\Users that they need to change, make copies of them in the same place where they are but name them with a .winupg at the end of the file name.
2. Do the upgrade.
3. If the upgrade is successful, scan the directory tree for all files with a .winupg at the end of it and delete them. If the upgrade process doesn't work, find all the files with .winupg at the of it, find the version of the file that doesn't have a .winupg at the end, delete it, and then chop the .winupg off of it and there you go, all data is restored.

This process here is a lot less prone to things going wrong compared to the mass wholesale copy/move process that I think Microsoft is doing.

 

[Diverge]

This update got me. First it ruined my windows install. Then I rolled back the update to find it deleted lots of my files. Copied what was left to a network drive, then did a full format and fresh install w/ the iso. Since then I've had weird issues with my 20 series videocard, but not sure if it is windows or just the software is immature at the moment.

 

[trparky]

20 series videocard

The new RTX video cards from nVidia? Yeah... I'm going to blame nVidia for your issues. If you read other areas of these forums you'd know that the rushed the RTX launch and it indeed shows that they rushed it.

 

[Diverge]

The new RTX video cards from nVidia? Yeah... I'm going to blame nVidia for your issues. If you read other areas of these forums you'd know that the rushed the RTX launch and it indeed shows that they rushed it.

Yeah, cause I haven't done any reading whatsoever... As far as rushing software, that is the new way to launch products and every corporation is guilty of it. From OS updates, to device drivers, to games - across the board pretty much.

 

[ZhangirDuyseke]

No, you're just jumping to conclusions and literally every post you make here is some veiled criticism at this community.

Nobody is forcing you to be here in this 'cesspool' of 'ignorant' users... Quite the opposite, if you'd ask me.

And you make veiled criticism at Windows 10!

 

[rtwjunkie]

And you make veiled criticism at Windows 10!

No, we make outright criticisms of the W10 UPDATE process.

 

[Splinterdog]

@Splinterdog sounds like he may have to rely on using the Media Creation Tool or something similar every time a big update like this happens...

Media Creation Tool has gone tits up for me over four different machines recently, so I advised my brother to find a reliable and faster connection, run MCT, but download the latest ISO instead which he was later able to prepare on his pendrive using Rufus, which has never let me down.
In fact, due to the amount of times WU has screwed his PC, he keeps the Rufus pendrive handy in case of further WU incidents, which is a pretty sorry state of affairs. Barring the fact that his Windows updates have now been disabled.

 

[newtekie1]

This is specifically why I have Windows Update set to defer all feature updates(like this one) for 90 days before installing, and all security updates for 15 days. By that point bugs like this are usually found and fixed. For me, the update process has gone pretty smoothly.

 

[rtwjunkie]

This is specifically why I have Windows Update set to defer all feature updates(like this one) for 90 days before installing, and all security updates for 15 days. By that point bugs like this are usually found and fixed. For me, the update process has gone pretty smoothly.

This is exactly what I do. I get to wait for MS to quietly fix and replace the updates.

 

[soloza]

Did the upgrade without any issues.

 

[ssdpro]

You clearly don't get it do you?

Apparently I get something, as I waited a couple days then updated without any issue at all. My system is organized, clean, and used in a competent manner. I am not saying every situation is the result of a dodgy system or usage, but comments here suggest there are variables in play outside Microsoft's control. Another user posting that experienced an issue is dual booting Ubuntu combined with a raid5 - an unusual setup that perhaps wasn't accounted for my Microsoft. Combine that with other variables like system instability, whatever debauchery that second Linux installation is used for, etc you get unpleasant outcomes.

I do agree the methods Microsoft is using and frequency of these updates are unnecessary. I would rather see these updates coming incrementally with the user fully in control of when. Right now they do let you pause for 35 days or auto defer for a long time, but I still think auto updates should be optional and the timing of updates optional by default. The in-place upgrade-style updates are cumbersome - it is stubborn policy getting in the way of friendly consideration.

 

[R-T-B]

Once again ignorant techpowerup users crisitise Windows 10 for no apparent reason!

Microsoft themselves pulled the update and admitted fault.

Quit fanboying.

Do you understand that Windows updates contain importans security patches, bug fixes, new features and it is recommended to install updates regularly or your PC is going to be vulnerable? I've upgraded to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1 in 2015 and had no issues for 3 years!

The old build remains fully supported for almost a year or more following release of a build. Please familiarize yourself with 10s update model. This was a "feature upgrade"

This is why I had wrote before I am staying on 1709, I usually wait over 6 months or more to upgrade to the next version .

Not a bad policy. Basically Current Branch For Business does this.