Microsoft Pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update

[StrayKAT]

I'd blame not just MS, but the QA/testers. What are they even doing? edit: Or at least the people who moderate their suggestions.

 

[Konceptz]

Installed 1809 on my work laptop (intel based), home desktop (AMD based).

Work laptop: Blue screens every so often (still investigating)
Home Desktop: No issues, however dark mode only applies to the settings screens and not windows explorer too as on the work laptop.

I'll update as I have more time to troubleshoot.

 

[OutThereSomewhere]

No issues here on my Asus z370 rig.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This problem and many others are the reason I disable the update process complete and only install major releases after they have been in the wild for at least 12 months and have been tested/vetted. People keep saying it's not safe, but it's more safe than this nonsense.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I'd blame not just MS, but the QA/testers. What are they even doing? edit: Or at least the people who moderate their suggestions.

There are very few left at MS. They were excess to their business plan. No joking there.

 

[Vayra86]

This problem and many others are the reason I disable the update process complete and only install major releases after they have been in the wild for at least 12 months and have been tested/vetted. People keep saying it's not safe, but it's more safe than this nonsense.

Traffic isn't safe either, yet we're still here.

Life is all about risk management

 

[StrayKAT]

There are very few left at MS. They were excess to their business plan. No joking there.

Well, that's pretty stupid. Especially with this whole "Windows as a service" thing.

 

[R-T-B]

This problem and many others are the reason I disable the update process complete and only install major releases after they have been in the wild for at least 12 months and have been tested/vetted. People keep saying it's not safe, but it's more safe than this nonsense.

I meant to reply to you in that other thread but here it is more on topic.

I actually agree with this policy provided end users are educated. I thought earlier you were implying you endorsed no updates at all. My apologies.

 

[lexluthermiester]

There are very few left at MS. They were excess to their business plan. No joking there.

True statement. Microsoft did a ton of layoffs to outsource to cheaper countries. It has had a very negative effect on their QA.

Traffic isn't safe either, yet we're still here. Life is all about risk management

Fair point. Where PC's are concerned I prefer to yield on the side caution.

I actually agree with this policy provided end users are educated. I thought earlier you were implying you endorsed no updates at all. My apologies.

No worries. I could have been more clear on that point.

 

[newtekie1]

There are very few left at MS. They were excess to their business plan. No joking there.

Yep, they laid off most of their testing team back in the Windows 8 days. They've made it pretty obvious that they are instead using the early adopter users as testers instead.

This problem and many others are the reason I disable the update process complete and only install major releases after they have been in the wild for at least 12 months and have been tested/vetted. People keep saying it's not safe, but it's more safe than this nonsense.

I see no reason to completely disable updates. They give you the option to automatically defer the major feature updates for upto a year, while still getting the security updates. Completely disabling the updates means you are missing out on important security updates.

 

[StrayKAT]

Yep, they laid off most of their testing team back in the Windows 8 days. They've made it pretty obvious that they are instead using the early adopter users as testers instead.



I see no reason to completely disable updates. They give you the option to automatically defer the major feature updates for upto a year, while still getting the security updates. Completely disabling the updates means you are missing out on important security updates.

Well, if that's the case, they need to listen to them. Because I'm sure some pointed out these bugs.

 

[newtekie1]

Well, if that's the case, they need to listen to them. Because I'm sure some pointed out these bugs.

They did listen to them. The early adopters got hit with the bug, reported it, and Microsoft pulled the update.

 

[StrayKAT]

They did listen to them. The early adopters got hit with the bug, reported it, and Microsoft pulled the update.

lol.. By early adopters, I thought you meant the slow/fast ring stuff. Not actual releases. That's kind of crazy.

 

[lexluthermiester]

They did listen to them. The early adopters got hit with the bug, reported it, and Microsoft pulled the update.

lol.. By early adopters, I thought you meant the slow/fast ring stuff. Not actual releases. That's kind of crazy.

But this illustrates the exact problem. These issues should have been discovered in a testing phase of the update. But because they don't do much testing any more and rely on the public to be it's beta testers, people have to suffer so Microsoft can save money not having to do it's due diligence.

 

[StrayKAT]

But this illustrates the exact problem. These issues should have been discovered in a testing phase of the update. But because they don't do much testing any more and rely on the public to be it's beta testers, people have to suffer so Microsoft can save money not having to do it's due diligence.

Well, I hope this a wake up call for them. Microsoft isn't dominant as they were, but yet they're still pretty dominant. No reason for them to be penny pinching.

 

[Salty_sandwich]

well if your going to manually update or upgrade your O/S and it even warns you to back up before hand and don't do a back up! the only person to be angry with (no matter what you lose) is yourself for your own failings lol sorry.

 

[Aquinus]

Yep, they laid off most of their testing team back in the Windows 8 days. They've made it pretty obvious that they are instead using the early adopter users as testers instead.

There is a reason why I call Windows 10 a perpetual beta release. Once things have been shored up, it's fine but, I feel like they've become far too reliant on their users to find problems. This isn't something you should have to do for software that you paid for. If it's something like Linux, fine. It's not like I paid money for it and it's not like I'm paying anyone for support, but when I pay for software, I expect support for some duration of time and that means not using me as a beta tester unless I explicitly opt into it. Now, I know that you can do that with Windows but, their GA releases need to be more stable than they are right now.

The sad reality is that hearing about things like this pushes me away from giving Windows a try again. It would have been a prime opportunity too since I got this swanky new NVMe drive that still needs to get utilized, but it's feeling more like I'm just going to be crafting a fancy /etc/fstab file instead.

 

[Divide Overflow]

There's a lot of uncertainty to this. I'm hoping that Microsoft will be forthcoming with the circumstances that involve problems.
I applied the update, now wondering if I need to go back and compare documents with a backup to see if anything was removed / deleted.

 

[Bluescreendeath]

Don't you love it when you pay $100-$200 for an Operating System just so Microsoft can beam advertisements directly into your computer, annoy you with forced updates, and then occasionally messes up your files with botched updates? Everybody not running the Enterprise/Enterprise LTSB versions are basically just beta testers.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Well, my delayed time came due today for 1803. First upgrade failed by being stuck at 84%. So I downloaded Media Creation Tool in case I have to do a clean install.

Now I’m using it to do an update, see if I get different results than Windows Update. This is not how I want to spend my day off.

I understand clean install is the best way, but I shouldn’t have to do a clean install every 6 months or a year, and then spend a week getting my settings like I want and reinstalling a basically heavy load of programs.

If this doesn’t work, I may take the spare 8.1 I have and go to that, leaving 10 behind, because W8.1 doesn’t have this monstrous massive OS update. Updates just work on it like they should.

 

[R-T-B]

Well, my delayed time came due today for 1803. First upgrade failed by being stuck at 84%. So I downloaded Media Creation Tool in case I have to do a clean install.

Now I’m using it to do an update, see if I get different results than Windows Update. This is not how I want to spend my day off.

I understand clean install is the best way, but I shouldn’t have to do a clean install every 6 months or a year, and then spend a week getting my settings like I want and reinstalling a basically heavy load of programs.

If this doesn’t work, I may take the spare 8.1 I have and go to that, leaving 10 behind, because W8.1 doesn’t have this monstrous massive OS update. Updates just work on it like they should.

I mean, isn't the update pulled from all channels at the moment? Or did I miss something? How are you making media today?

EDIT: Oh, 1803. Woosh!

 

[rtwjunkie]

I mean, isn't the update pulled from all channels at the moment? Or did I miss something? How are you making media today?

EDIT: Oh, 1803. Woosh!

Yeah, 1803 is still available. Between the business channel delay, and the extra time I select, I end up about a year between upgrades.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@rtwjunkie
Man I feel for you. I have to fix crap like this all the time. It's why I live and swear by the ethic I do. Windows Update has been like this since the XP days. In many ways it's gotten worse. Microsoft needs to slow things down and focus on stability instead of making themselves look like a bunch of monkeys diddling a football.

 

[Splinterdog]

All the ISOs I've downloaded through Media Creation Tool recently have been 1803.
@rtwjunkie have you had a any problems running the tool? For me, it gets to the end preparing the pen drive and then comes up with an error, no matter which machine I use.

 

[rtwjunkie]

All the ISOs I've downloaded through Media Creation Tool recently have been 1803.
@rtwjunkie have you had a any problems running the tool? For me, it gets to the end preparing the pen drive and then comes up with an error, no matter which machine I use.

No, no trouble creating the bootable usb drive.