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The moment you read the words

"If you put aside the privacy concerns for a moment"

in this day and age? put privacy concerns aside! lol like we have a choice, our privacy is taken at any given chance these days, no matter what ya do....
 
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The moment you read the words

"If you put aside the privacy concerns for a moment"

in this day and age? put privacy concerns aside! lol like we have a choice, our privacy is taken at any given chance these days, no matter what ya do....
Exactly. Paranoid fools. They are using the internet and whine about privacy. The irony.
 
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Even if that's latest drivers and useful software? It seems techpowerup users like it hard way.
It won't be say, three months from now. I like my stuff being up to date, so this would be useless at best pretty quickly. Not to mention Windows 10 has basic drivers for pretty much anything built right in.
Also, what software? I don't need any software for a motherboard. In fact, I don't want any.
 
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asus should have three options
1. disabled
2. install network driver only (simply copy and execute .inf install once) (default)
3. ammo crate?

and they should ask on startup maybe?
 
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It won't be say, three months from now. I like my stuff being up to date, so this would be useless at best pretty quickly. Not to mention Windows 10 has basic drivers for pretty much anything built right in.
Also, what software? I don't need any software for a motherboard. In fact, I don't want any.
Actually Windows 10 doesn't install all the drivers like chipset, audio, Sata, wireless and other stuff. Before you had to always visit motherboard manufacturer's website and download everything from drivers page. Now it's by default automatic which is great! ASUS provides very useful utilities like automatic overclocking software and ASUS Ramdisk.
 
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If the software works fine and does something useful, then by all means, but FFS! - make it optional!
 
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You mean like the way the Chinese have supposedly done the same with the BMC and Supermicro? (At least according to Bloomberg) Loading files/code into an installed OS.

That makes the bloomberg story even more dodgy to be honest:

If China really wanted to do that, there are easier means in frickin official UEFI spec...

Don't speak for all builders! Privacy intrusion?! Yeah like ASUS is very "interested" in your hentai and midget porn library, lol. It's extremely useful and saves a lot of time for me. Very convenient:)

He does however, speak for most I'd wager, excluding our resident "all privacy advocates hide midget porn." claimant.

At any rate this isn't a privacy problem. More a consent problem. And it's valid. We can all be happy. Just turn the frickin' option off by default.

Exactly. Paranoid fools. They are using the internet and whine about privacy. The irony.

Because injustice is a fact makes everyone who complains about it a whiner? Please.
 
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Well, one more "feature" that a company included "for your own good, it will be like we want". If i am building my own PC, installing drivers is what I actually want. If I wanted it done for me, HP, Dell, Acer, Apple and others have more than enough options.
One less brand on my future motherboard list. My last Asus motherboard was 17 years ago when they really made and sell the best stuff. Since then i've been happy with MSI and Gigabyte.
 
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Well, one more "feature" that a company included "for your own good, it will be like we want". If i am building my own PC, installing drivers is what I actually want. If I wanted it done for me, HP, Dell, Acer, Apple and others have more than enough options.
One less brand on my future motherboard list. My last Asus motherboard was 17 years ago when they really made and sell the best stuff. Since then i've been happy with MSI and Gigabyte.
ASUS is a leading manufacturer who makes the best motherboards, period. MSI and Gigabyte copy ASUS boards features. Good luck using second-rate hardware, hater.
 
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Does the same thing under Ryzen, pushed ASUS GRID service..
 
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ASUS is a leading manufacturer who makes the best motherboards, period. MSI and Gigabyte copy ASUS boards features. Good luck using second-rate hardware, hater.

lol what do they copy exactly, praytell? And why is ASUS not filing patents if what you say is true?

Please quit trolling. A lot of board manufacturers are good. They all offer different features. Some even do good RMA service... :laugh:
 
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lol what do they copy exactly, praytell? And why is ASUS not filing patents if what you say is true?

Please quit trolling. A lot of board manufacturers are good. They all offer different features. Some even do good RMA service... :laugh:
That's true asus:rolleyes: but i got one , features tut. Got me now.
 
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This is seriously shady. No thank you ASUS. It's not your place to install anything without user knowledge and consent. Completely unacceptable.
 
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lol what do they copy exactly, praytell? And why is ASUS not filing patents if what you say is true?

Please quit trolling. A lot of board manufacturers are good. They all offer different features. Some even do good RMA service... :laugh:
Yeah, good. Lol. Take a look at MSI godlike board which has 4 PCIe 16 lanes on chipset with
This is seriously shady. No thank you ASUS. It's not your place to install anything without user knowledge and consent. Completely unacceptable.
Another paranoid. What are you all?! Techpowerup users are so fucking suspicious because
they are cybercriminals and terrorists or what?soQUOTE="lexluthermiester, post: 3928479, member: 134537"]This is seriously shady. No thank you ASUS. It's not your place to install anything without user knowledge and consent. Completely unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
 
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Another paranoid. What are you all?! Techpowerup users are so fucking suspicious because
they are cybercriminals and terrorists or what?

We value privacy. We are not cybercriminals or terrorists. You however are being quite the troll. Post reported.

It should be noted that legally speaking, this software install method is probably illegal in the EU.
 
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ASUS is a leading manufacturer who makes the best motherboards, period. MSI and Gigabyte copy ASUS boards features. Good luck using second-rate hardware, hater.
Try again, Asus is second rate, they have the worst customer service... Try harder next time!
 

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Hmm... I might be okay with this if it were set up in such a way where you had to explicitly select a specific option in the UEFI, such as "Reboot & Install Drivers", with further options to install drivers only, or install drivers and additional crap, like that ASUS Armoury Crate. I originally thought of shipping flash drives like they used to (in place of driver CDs), but if the tech is already there in a way where it can be done not only more conveniently, but also with less waste (there won't be many thousands of flash drives produced for this purpose... how many driver CDs exist in landfills now?), why not? However, I maintain that automatically installing garbage without the user's consent, or even knowledge, is bad. Aside from that point, how is it even convenient to install it automatically? Who on Earth is capable of reinstalling Windows, or worse yet, building a computer and installing Windows for the first time, yet is incapable of finding the install drivers option in UEFI?

That said, I could see this also being used as an attack vector. Imagine a new generation of malware that attacks this memory chip on the board. By installing itself to this memory chip, it would persist even through total reformat/reinstallation of the OS. Sounds a lot like that case our own @R-T-B was working on not too long ago... only instead of a weird one-off case, it could become common if features like this become common. What's to stop that from happening? No antivirus is 100% perfect, and the users of the computers with these features damn sure aren't, either. I wonder what this free cat screensaver is in my email? That's another reason why having to explicitly select an option in the UEFI to install would be a good thing... unless the malware could force install itself, anyways. Malware doesn't always play by the rules.

As for privacy? While I value privacy as much as the next guy on TPU, I don't think privacy is really a concern here. Sure, the potential for throwing user data at ASUS through the ASUS Armoury Crate app exists (I've never used the software, so don't shoot me if there's no telemetry there), but I think the bigger concern here is the fact that many PC enthusiasts, like, the people most likely to buy ASUS motherboards, usually don't want tons of bloatware apps running with their computer... so now PC enthusiasts who like ASUS now have to deal with this self installing ASUS Armoury Crate. As for me, I don't even like the fact that I have MSI Afterburner running at startup, but I have to live with it because I can't edit and flash my own GPU BIOS anymore like I used to in the old days (I'd find out what clocks my card was happy at, edit those into the BIOS along with a modified fan curve/min speed, flash, then uninstall whatever OC tool I used), so I'd likely be blocking this app as well. Why have unnecessary crap running? If privacy was that big of a concern, better just turn off the Internet. Every hardware and software device, even on your own network, be it your modem, router, operating system (Windows 10 says hello) or even the network driver carries the possibility of having backdoors/throwing your data somewhere/etc... and that's not even starting with what's outside your network. So yeah... I build my own computer for many reasons, but one of those reasons is because I don't want my computer coming with 50 free trials, which I didn't ask for, starting up with my computer. This move from ASUS doesn't fall in line with that too well.
 
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....near as i can tell...privacy died in the 70's. All we have left now is varying levels of self delusion in which we find some comfort. carbon nano tube hats for everyone.......
 
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doesnt seem so hidden if the option is in one of the top level menus, do people not take a quick skim of their bios settings? you have to in the first place to enable XMP or set boot order

connecting to the internet is unnaceptable before windows updates, not to mention malware installing itself into that uefi area

now what happens if you use some open wifi? how do you know it's downloading from asus? how did asus set it up (http/https/ftp/is it same as website support page)? what if they make a coding mistake or there's an incompatibility if your windows source install is too old or too new? but no, the disgusting troll in the thread bullying 'TPU users' as he said so by name is either retarded or has a disinformation agenda

now what's this nonsense about not being allowed to talk about priv issues, obviously it concerns the net, obviously it will be discussed on the net, why does everything need to be perfectly absolute all or nothing, what a crap excuse to be lazy... other social issues continue to have discussions & regulations changing over time, where is this 'dead' submissive talk for driving or alcohol or entertainment censorship or abortion or anything else
 

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Enough of the insults and retaliatory comments.
Keep it on topic.

Thank You.
 
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ASUS is a leading manufacturer who makes the best motherboards, period. MSI and Gigabyte copy ASUS boards features. Good luck using second-rate hardware, hater.
Interesting. Doesn't GIGABYTE manufacture ASUS's motherboards? Yes.
 
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....near as i can tell...privacy died in the 70's. All we have left now is varying levels of self delusion in which we find some comfort. carbon nano tube hats for everyone.......

This isn't even a privacy issue really, so unsure why people keep going there...

Regardless, privacy is still managable to a limited extent if you know how.

Interesting. Doesn't GIGABYTE manufacture ASUS's motherboards? Yes.

No?
 
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This isn't even a privacy issue really, so unsure why people keep going there...

Regardless, privacy is still managable to a limited extent if you know how.
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The potential for it to be exploited could present a risk of exposing one's personal data and online habits. Especially to those who aren't too familiar or just starting out with computers.
 
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