SSDs Are Cheaper Than Ever, Hit the Magic 10 Cents Per Gigabyte Threshold

[spectatorx]

Good lord, back the freakin data up and be done with it.

You will change your mind when all your ssds will fail at the same time and so your all "backups" will fail. Do not do backups on ssds.

 

[bug]

You will change your mind when all your ssds will fail at the same time and so your all "backups" will fail. Do not do backups on ssds.

How on Earth would you manage to kill two drives at the same time? These things have SMART, you should be able to see failures coming from miles away. Do you frequently wash your drives to keep them in mint condition?

 

[spectatorx]

How on Earth would you manage to kill two drives at the same time? These things have SMART, you should be able to see failures coming from miles away. Do you frequently wash your drives to keep them in mint condition?

SSDs are very fragile to logical errors and power jumps so with one unexpected power outagge you can get all ssds running in your computer killed, just like that. SMART will not help you with that and in fact SMART is useless in analyzing real condition of SSD. SSDs are way more fragile than HDDs.

 

[moproblems99]

SSDs are very fragile

If you bought OCZ.

 

[Bones]

And if you bought Muskin.
Had 4 of these and 3 out of the 4 died within 6 months with 0 warning after being purchased brandnew.

The old OCZ one I had lasted much longer and I got it used, not new. I do have a quad of Corsair SSD's and so far, so good but I use spinners for the stuff I don't want to lose anyway.
Slower yet more reliable and if one does start to go out at least you have a good chance of getting some kind of warning and possibly saving everything too.

I'll keep my spinners thank you very much.

 

[neatfeatguy]

It's good to see the prices coming down - but they're still not practical for the everyday Joe that needs lots of storage. Well, at least not for me.

Two 4TB WD Red 5400RPM drives (what I currently use) in my plex server - cost me around $250.
Two 4TB SSDs right now would cost me around $1500-1600.

The drives I use are for Plex/storage - they work well enough for what I need. I've recorded a crap ton of TV shows (at the wife's request for crummy 80s/90s sitcoms) and I've put on nearly every single DVD/BR I own, on it. The system plays back everything just fine, it takes about 5-10 seconds for a movie to start up (no worse than Netflix or Amazon Prime). I've got nearly 2TB of videos/TV shows on the drives right now so I have lots of room for many more.

If the SSDs were a lot closer in price, around $400 max for two 4TB - that would be much more reasonable and even I'd consider picking two up. Though, I don't think prices will ever be that low for SSD....at least not for a long time.

 

[rtwjunkie]

some months back, crucial mx500 256gb 80$

It’s even way lower now. I just bought a Crucial MX500 in 500GB size for $63. It dropped $35 in just about 3 months from when I put it on my Amazon wishlist.

@neatfeatguy Im right there with you. Many terabytes of media and of data on server. Red HDD are still way more cost effective for me than any SSD with needing over 20TB of storage. One day we’ll get there, but it’s not now and won’t be next year. After? We’ll see.

 

[Assimilator]

SSDs are very fragile to logical errors and power jumps so with one unexpected power outagge you can get all ssds running in your computer killed, just like that. SMART will not help you with that and in fact SMART is useless in analyzing real condition of SSD. SSDs are way more fragile than HDDs.

Jesus christ will you SHUT THE HELL UP?

You are talking the biggest amount of unfounded horseshit I have possibly heard anyone talk EVER. I didn't realise it was possible for someone to be this ignorant about something but you have done it. Reading your posts is on the same level of cancer-causing as reading the transcripts of Donald Trump's speeches.

Humanity begs you to stop.

 

[Frick]

Other than missing out on bragging rights w/ benchmark scores, there's no real world gain for faster storage in office or home ... 2 TB SSHD costs me less than 5 cents a MB.

SSD+HDD gives you more choice though. As it currently stands you only really have Seagate Firecuda to chose from with SSHDs, at least where I live. About the only place they make sense to me is in laptops and you really need >= 1TB and you only have a single 2.5" slot, but many laptops do both M.2 and 2.5" these days.

 

[Prima.Vera]

The price for NVMe drives it's still ridiculously high. More than double of those crapy SATA ones....

 

[techy1]

good, soon every cheapo PC will have 500GB SSD as a OS drive and we can end discussion about - do we need it, how much it cost, how much space we need and etc. I hope, that HDDs will also go down, because there is no movement for several years, 1TB (if take 4 - 8 TB drive) of standard HDD cost around 30$ (as it was 2 years ago), while 1TB of Sata3 SSD have come down from 200$ to 100$ in last year only! Do SSDs have to do another -50% price drop (almost match HHD prices) to HDDs move down too?

 

[Assimilator]

The price for NVMe drives it's still ridiculously high. More than double of those crapy SATA ones....

NVMe is a niche, just like WD VelociRaptor drives were back in the day, and niche products cost more. The only reason we're seeing a proliferation of NVMe products is because every SSD manufacturer and his dog is using the performance of their NVMe drives as a penis-measuring contest (just look at the advert for the ADATA SU8200 that's featured on the main page of this very site).

Unfortunately those manufacturers have yet to figure out that almost nobody cares about solid-state drives that can transfer gigabytes of data per second and do thousands of IOPS, because almost nobody has that sort of workload. Instead, most people want something that has a far lower latency than HDDs, which - guess what - any SSD provides, even the slowest SATA models.

I'm quite certain that if someone released a SATA SSD that could read/write at a mere 150MB/s (SATA1) but had cost/GB of only twice that of a HDD, that product would fly off the shelves like nobody's business. And we are getting there with QLC, despite the FUD that's spread like manure every time QLC is mentioned (see this thread for examples). We've seen this idiocy before when we went from MLC to TLC and guess what, it was all nonsense, and there's zero reason or evidence to believe QLC will be a failure or problematic either.

Samsung's already announced their high-capacity QLC "860 QVO" consumer SSD range which should be available by December... does anyone here really believe that arguably the world's most important player in the consumer SSD space, would announce a product they don't have faith in?

 

[R0H1T]

NVMe is a niche, just like WD VelociRaptor drives were back in the day, and niche products cost more. The only reason we're seeing a proliferation of NVMe products is because every SSD manufacturer and his dog is using the performance of their NVMe drives as a penis-measuring contest (just look at the advert for the ADATA SU8200 that's featured on the main page of this very site).

Unfortunately those manufacturers have yet to figure out that almost nobody cares about solid-state drives that can transfer gigabytes of data per second and do thousands of IOPS, because almost nobody has that sort of workload. Instead, most people want something that has a far lower latency than HDDs, which - guess what - any SSD provides, even the slowest SATA models.

I'm quite certain that if someone released a SATA SSD that could read/write at a mere 150MB/s (SATA1) but had cost/GB of only twice that of a HDD, that product would fly off the shelves like nobody's business. And we are getting there with QLC, despite the FUD that's spread like manure every time QLC is mentioned (see this thread for examples). We've seen this idiocy before when we went from MLC to TLC and guess what, it was all nonsense, and there's zero reason or evidence to believe QLC will be a failure or problematic either.

Samsung's already announced their high-capacity QLC "860 QVO" consumer SSD range which should be available by December... does anyone here really believe that arguably the world's most important player in the consumer SSD space, would announce a product they don't have faith in?

Part of it is because people confuse reliability with endurance, & in my experience almost every SSD that I've come across is generally more reliable than the vast majority of spinners I've seen, especially in the last few years since the Thai floods.

Talking about endurance, a good QLC drive with high capacity & competent firmware+controller will still be good enough for data storage. So when we're talking about high capacity ~ 4TB or upwards, the best HDD in that range, 5 years warranty & enterprise class, will not be price competitive against these products any longer.

 

[laszlo]

Jesus christ will you SHUT THE HELL UP?

You are talking the biggest amount of unfounded horseshit I have possibly heard anyone talk EVER. I didn't realise it was possible for someone to be this ignorant about something but you have done it. Reading your posts is on the same level of cancer-causing as reading the transcripts of Donald Trump's speeches.

Humanity begs you to stop.

not nice to yell to a fellow member who wrote his point of view ..... "horseshit" "ignorant" "cancer-causing" i feel is too much to be used among us...

 

[bug]

SSDs are very fragile to logical errors and power jumps so with one unexpected power outagge you can get all ssds running in your computer killed, just like that. SMART will not help you with that and in fact SMART is useless in analyzing real condition of SSD. SSDs are way more fragile than HDDs.

Are you using crap PSUs often?

If you bought OCZ.

Two OCZ Vertex4 here, still going strong

 

[bajs11]

haha i was an idiot who bought a Samsung 860 1tb a month ago for 200 bucks
now its down to 150 -.-

The price for NVMe drives it's still ridiculously high. More than double of those crapy SATA ones....

which games require NVMe ssds?
I think I've read there is only like one huge mmo game that would benefit from a nvme ssd
but I wonder if my 80+ GB modded Fallout 4 would load faster too

 

[bug]

haha i was an idiot who bought a Samsung 860 1tb a month ago for 200 bucks
now its down to 150 -.-

Things always get cheaper, don't beat yourself up too much.

which games require NVMe ssds?
I think I've read there is only like one huge mmo game that would benefit from a nvme ssd
but I wonder if my 80+ GB modded Fallout 4 would load faster too

Games are among the few things that could benefit from a NVMe SSD. Game assets are usually stored in large files that benefit from NVMe's high sequential throughput. But it all depends on how much you have to wait for SATA SSD in the first place.

 

[Ubersonic]

Not any worse than the HDDs they're supposed to replace

Depends how you look at it, compared to a HDD these type of SSDs trade capacity and reliability for performance. Personally if I wanted performance I would pay the extra for a decent SSD, if I wanted capacity I would buy a HDD. Either way I would skip these drives as the reliability hit makes them the worst of both worlds.

 

[R0H1T]

Depends how you look at it, compared to a HDD these type of SSDs trade capacity and reliability for performance. Personally if I wanted performance I would pay the extra for a decent SSD, if I wanted capacity I would buy a HDD. Either way I would skip these drives as the reliability hit makes them the worst of both worlds.

How did you gauge their reliability, since QLC drives have debuted just this year? As others have noted SSDs aren't really less reliable than HDDs in fact since the Thai floods, when the prices went through the roof & warranties got as low as just one year, HDD quality for consumer drives have gone from bad to worse. That's the exact opposite in SSD space.

Again endurance =! reliability & there's more than just anecdotal evidence that modern SSDs are more reliable than HDDs.

 

[bug]

Depends how you look at it, compared to a HDD these type of SSDs trade capacity and reliability for performance. Personally if I wanted performance I would pay the extra for a decent SSD, if I wanted capacity I would buy a HDD. Either way I would skip these drives as the reliability hit makes them the worst of both worlds.

I'm not sure why people keep saying SSDs are less reliable than HDDs. They can't be written as much as HDD can, but other than that, there's no chance of a mechanical failure and MTBF for SSDs is higher than that of HDDs.

 

[hat]

NVMe is a niche, just like WD VelociRaptor drives were back in the day, and niche products cost more. The only reason we're seeing a proliferation of NVMe products is because every SSD manufacturer and his dog is using the performance of their NVMe drives as a penis-measuring contest (just look at the advert for the ADATA SU8200 that's featured on the main page of this very site).

Unfortunately those manufacturers have yet to figure out that almost nobody cares about solid-state drives that can transfer gigabytes of data per second and do thousands of IOPS, because almost nobody has that sort of workload. Instead, most people want something that has a far lower latency than HDDs, which - guess what - any SSD provides, even the slowest SATA models.

I'm quite certain that if someone released a SATA SSD that could read/write at a mere 150MB/s (SATA1) but had cost/GB of only twice that of a HDD, that product would fly off the shelves like nobody's business. And we are getting there with QLC, despite the FUD that's spread like manure every time QLC is mentioned (see this thread for examples). We've seen this idiocy before when we went from MLC to TLC and guess what, it was all nonsense, and there's zero reason or evidence to believe QLC will be a failure or problematic either.

Samsung's already announced their high-capacity QLC "860 QVO" consumer SSD range which should be available by December... does anyone here really believe that arguably the world's most important player in the consumer SSD space, would announce a product they don't have faith in?

Just wanted to say I agree with this entire post. I don't give a fuck about NVMe drives and their 2.5Gb/s speeds. I am not transferring the entire Internet from one NVMe to another on a daily basis. Regular ass SATA SSDs are good for me.

Also, I just remembered that almost every SSD I've ever installed has literally just been laying around in the case somewhere, with the exception of a laptop and one desktop that has a 5.25" bay for two 2.5" drives and one 3.5" drive. They don't care. I'll still take a spinner or two for massive data storage if I need it, but other than that, I welcome the cheap, high capacity SSDs... and yes, even the dreaded QLC.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Just wanted to say I agree with this entire post. I don't give a fuck about NVMe drives and their 2.5Gb/s speeds. I am not transferring the entire Internet from one NVMe to another on a daily basis. Regular ass SATA SSDs are good for me.

Also, I just remembered that almost every SSD I've ever installed has literally just been laying around in the case somewhere, with the exception of a laptop and one desktop that has a 5.25" bay for two 2.5" drives and one 3.5" drive. They don't care. I'll still take a spinner or two for massive data storage if I need it, but other than that, I welcome the cheap, high capacity SSDs... and yes, even the dreaded QLC.

The real perk of NVME drives is less clutter in your rig. Yes, they are faster than regular but it's neglible.

 

[Assimilator]

not nice to yell to a fellow member who wrote his point of view ..... "horseshit" "ignorant" "cancer-causing" i feel is too much to be used among us...

No, it's not nice. But do you know what else isn't nice? Spouting unfounded nonsense about something you know nothing about. You know what they call that in a court of law? Lying.

Not only is that offensive to the people who do actually know something about the subject at hand, it also ends up causing other people to pick up on the nonsense and then report it as fact. Then you get those same stupid rumours repeated ad infinitum in comment sections of reviews and forums.

If you choose to be ignorant, all power to you. But be ignorant on your own, because preaching your ignorance doesn't help anyone else, and may very well harm them. (See: vaccines and autism.)

As for the person in question, he/she/it was politely corrected numerous times by other members but simply kept posting the same untruths. The only conclusion is that he/she/it is incapable of responding when addressed politely, hence why I addressed them extremely impolitely. And it appears to have worked, since they haven't posted said untruths in this thread since. If that member is willing to apologise for posting those untruths, I will happily delete my offensive post, as well as publicly apologise to said person.

 

[hat]

The real perk of NVME drives is less clutter in your rig. Yes, they are faster than regular but it's neglible.

That's any M.2 drive, though. Some are NVMe (the PCI Express ones) and some are SATA. So it's totally possible to get a regular ass SATA drive in that neat form factor.

 

[Ubersonic]

I'm not sure why people keep saying SSDs are less reliable than HDDs.

Nobody is saying that, people are saying that QLC SSDs are less reliable than HDDs (or at least have much lower life expectancy). This is the problem with lowering cost per GB by reducing quality, it results in a reduction of quality lol.

The real perk of NVME drives is less clutter in your rig. Yes, they are faster than regular but it's neglible.

You're thinking of M.2 not NVMe.