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Intel 7nm EUV Node Back On Track, 2x Transistor Densities Over 10nm

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There could be light at the end of the tunnel for Intel's silicon fabrication business after all, as the company reported that its 7 nanometer silicon fabrication node, which incorporates EUV (extreme ultraviolet) lithography, is on track. The company stressed in its Nasdaq Investors' Conference presentation that its 7 nm EUV process is de-linked from its 10 nm DUV (deep ultraviolet) node, and that there are separate teams working on their development. The 10 nm DUV node is qualitatively online, and is manufacturing small batches of low-power mobile "Cannon Lake" Core processors.

Cannon Lake is an optical shrink of the "Skylake" architecture to the 10 nm node. Currently there's only one SKU based on it, the Core i3-8121U. Intel utilized the electrical gains from the optical shrink to redesign the client-segment architecture's FPU to support the AVX-512 instruction-set (although not as feature-rich as the company's enterprise-segment "Skylake" derivatives). The jump from 10 nm DUV to 7 nm EUV will present a leap in transistor densities, with Intel expecting nothing short of a doubling. 10 nm DUV uses a combination of 193 nm wavelength ultraviolet lasers and multi-patterning to achieve its transistor density gains over 14 nm++. The 7 nm EUV node uses an extremely advanced 135 nm indirect laser, reducing the need for multi-patterning. The same laser coupled with multi-patterning could be Intel's ticket to 5 nm.



"7 nm for us is a separate team and largely a separate effort. We are quite pleased with our progress on 7 nm. In fact, very pleased with our progress on 7 nm," said Renduchintala Murthy, chief engineering officer and president of technology, systems architecture and client group at Intel, speaking at the Nasdaq conference. "I think that we have taken a lot of lessons out of the 10 nm experience as we defined that and defined a different optimization point between transistor density, power and performance and schedule predictability.So, we are very, very focused on getting 7 nm out according to our original internal plans," he added.

7 nm EUV being on track would mean a qualitative rollout within or toward the end of 2019, and mass-production of chips slated for 2020-21, considering that 10 nm DUV qualitatively went online late 2017, with the first mass-produced product in May 2018. This would mean Intel won't hang on to 10 nm DUV for long, and could build far fewer generations of processors on the node, as opposed to six on the 14 nm owing to crippling delays in 10 nm.

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That's called power of competition.
 
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It's actually marketing speak.
The stockmarket is terrified that the competition is all on 7nm. It doesn't matter that Intel's delayed 10nm was/is better than TSMC's 7nm.
It's just that 7 is lower than 10. It must be better.
So Intel is already saying "we're going 7nm too!".
 
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If its on track shouldn't it have been released already. Intel 7nm was a 2017 thing or are they going to "Mass produce" a U chip (only 1 vendor will carry it limited) and say they meet the production goal.

 
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Nobody's going to believe Intel's claims of being on track with their node shrinks after the 10nm debacle, until they actually deliver.
 
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The company stressed in its Nasdaq Investors' Conference presentation....bla bla bla...
I call this a BIG BLUFF from Intel in order to avoid their stocks to go down even further....
 
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I believe they will get it done but not within the desired timeframe.

Note that (According to the chart above) each shrink seems to take longer to make work and develop. That's why I'm thinking they will get it working but will take some time - For their sakes it had best be working before their stock tanks hard.
 
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It's actually marketing speak.
The stockmarket is terrified that the competition is all on 7nm. It doesn't matter that Intel's delayed 10nm was/is better than TSMC's 7nm.
It's just that 7 is lower than 10. It must be better.
So Intel is already saying "we're going 7nm too!".

It is better IF it worked lol. It is only better on power point slides and charts lol but those engineering goals were obviously not met.

Anywho I remember some big fuss when semiaccurate posted news about intel killing its 10nm node and intel refuted that claim. This seems in line with that. If 7nm will come out in 2020-2021 then 10nm wont even get a proper 1 year run lol
 
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Some commenter some time ago stated, that Intel is to drop the 10nm and go straight to 7nm.

This article sound very similar. They talk about 7nm without having good enough 10nm.
If AMD leaks are correct, and their zen2 architecture will not be same as pile driver, then Intel is going to lose much if they don't switch to full 10nm process, or 7nm.
 
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There was an article some time ago that they have issues with 10nm but 7nm is on track. It's amazing how everybody ignored that....
 
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Some commenter some time ago stated, that Intel is to drop the 10nm and go straight to 7nm.

This article sound very similar. They talk about 7nm without having good enough 10nm.
If AMD leaks are correct, and their zen2 architecture will not be same as pile driver, then Intel is going to lose much if they don't switch to full 10nm process, or 7nm.
Yes it was a news article on semiaccurate.

There was an article some time ago that they have issues with 10nm but 7nm is on track. It's amazing how everybody ignored that....
It wasn't ignored. Intel actually publicly refuted that claim lol
 
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See, I'm not imagining it. Article after article popping up about far in the future intel crap to detract from 10nm woes.
 
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indeed. it's clearly BS campaign.

It might be that they actually have made a breakthrough and they may be ready with 7nm when TSMC comes with 5 unlike being late to the party like this time
 
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Smells marketing BS from miles away ..... Intel has hard time to deal with 10nm but somehow they are on track on 7nm EUV .... sure whatever floats their boat !
 
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It is better IF it worked lol. It is only better on power point slides and charts lol but those engineering goals were obviously not met.

Anywho I remember some big fuss when semiaccurate posted news about intel killing its 10nm node and intel refuted that claim. This seems in line with that. If 7nm will come out in 2020-2021 then 10nm wont even get a proper 1 year run lol
Big/HP chips on 7nm likely won't hit the markets before 2021, assuming 7nm w/EUV actually works. AMD in the meantime has nearly 2 full years for Rome & then Milan to get a substantial chunk of the server space.
 
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Everything is on track - nothing is entering mass production but 14+-+-
Sweet talk for the investors.. .
 
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Just keep moving the goal post. 10nm is old news, here, have another new node. Sadly this is enough to please most investors.

Not that I mind, there is at least on other company that's serious about their future CPU products.
 
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I don't really understand any of this technical klingon, but how can hey come up with 7nm when they horribly failed with 10?
 
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Because they claim the work is happening in parallel by a 2nd team (actually this is a fairly common way of working in the industry).

I still call BS though.
 

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Curious: 2x density over 10nm but they did´nt got 10nm

:p estupid marketing, obious 2x density over 14nm+++++++++ :mad:


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10nm is 100 Mtr/mm2 - 3 times density over 14+++ 37,5 Mtr/mm2
7nm EUV is then 200Mtr/mm2 - 2 times density over 10nm, and 6 times over 14nm +++
 

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10nm is 100 Mtr/mm2 - 3 times density over 14+++ 37,5 Mtr/mm2
7nm EUV is then 200Mtr/mm2 - 2 times density over 10nm, and 6 times over 14nm +++

Wont change a thing. Its a matter if they can get the yields needed per platter with little waste.
 
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great! more "good" news on delayed Lakes
wake me up when all of Intels lakes have dried up
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