NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Founders Edition Pictured, Tested

[Vya Domus]

See edit above...

Its 3 months worth of data on 2xxx series... hard to call it anything with such a small dataset, none the less a trend.

3 months is plenty, it's enough to compare the initial market response.

 

[EarthDog]

3 months is plenty, it's enough to compare the initial market response.

sure... but we cant conclude that its slower than other cards because we dont have the information. Just going off of what vayara is trying to take from it...

'Initial sales boom and stagnant'

Did other cards show the same so is it really different? Is it not a normal thing to see a lot of sales out of the gate and it settles? I mean... what's the point here??? I struggling to take much away from it for many reasons.

 

[jabbadap]

Oh Happy new year to all

Spoiler: Off topic

See edit above...

Its 3 months worth of data on 2xxx series... hard to call it anything with such a small dataset, none the less a trend.

If i Remember correctly pascals had great availability from the beginning, Turings had very limited.

PS. nothing againt's with your post @EarthDog I'm just tired for that off topic and it was the last post on that topic

 

[unikin]

I said f... it I'm out after seeing $350-400 price tag on RTX 2060 and bought Sapphire RX 570 for € 140. I won't buy new GPU until I can get GTX 1080 level of performance for 300 bucks or less. Hell we're entering 2019 and they want to charge us the same for 2 yo performance? No way I'm buying it.

 

[Vya Domus]

but we cant conclude that its slower than other cards because we dont have the information.

Jesus Christ man, the information is already there, no matter how many more years you'll wait the data for these first months wont change. There is absolutely nothing premature about this comparison. Anything outside of that , meaning projecting these numbers for the future, then yeah that's speculation.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm not JChrist...lol

Premature conclusion without context is premature bud. Sorry. We have no idea if this is not normal with the data there. I find a trend of initial sales and then it slowing down to be part of a normal sales life cycle of a new product...only time will tell if this is a 'trend'...the data doesnt.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Vayra86]

sure... but we cant conclude that its slower than other cards because we dont have the information. Just going off of what vayara is trying to take from it...

'Initial sales boom and stagnant'

Did other cards show the same so is it really different? Is it not a normal thing to see a lot of sales out of the gate and it settles? I mean... what's the point here??? I struggling to take much away from it for many reasons.

Go on that website and filter GPUs on User Ratings. That should give you an impression and context to the stagnation. It also can be compared independent of time because people rate their GPU only when they bench it.

Sentiment. For Turing it has been as abysmal as DXR performance at BFV launch. That same sentiment is reflected in Nvidia stock value and on this forum at large, and on the big bad interwebs too. People ain't stupid, only a small percentage of them is.

This is the paradox of the crystal ball ey. When you predict it, there is no data, and when you confirm it afterwards, people say it was 20/20 hindsight. So far with regards to Turing my ball was pretty accurate from the moment somebody shouted 10 Gigarays on stage.

 

[EarthDog]

Only time will tell, boys. One can try to translate correlative things, like ratings, to it... but only time will tell.

That said, I believe it to be a bit slower due to price, and the overblown dead card issue, but I'm built off facts and these graphs dont give me (anyone) enough information to factually make that jump. I'd like to see 9xx to 10xx series rates and 7xx to 9xx series as well as that chart in 2 years to see how adaptation REALLY shakes out. It's simply a premature conclusion (but with writing on the wall).

 

[Vya Domus]

only time will tell if this is a 'trend'...the data doesnt.

It does, you really need to open your eyes and realize that a comparison over the span of 3 months is just as valid as one over the period of 3 years. No one on here concluded that this has to be a trend that will carry on for years, everyone kept the comparisons within their respective time frames. It's you alone who thinks that wasn't the case.

 

[Slizzo]

Very likely. It's also equally likely that many AIB's will have offerings that come in lower than the MSRP. That happened with 2070/2080/2080ti, so it seems reasonable that it will happen with the 2060/2050(?).

Except MSRP, for the 2080Ti At least, is "starting at $999". So far, only ONE SINGLE card has hit that price, on offer from EVGA: The 2080 Ti Black Edition.

As for stock being low... yeah it's selling out, but that doesn't mean that NVIDIA is delivering a lot of GPUs to AIBs or owners. By this time in it's product cycle, Pascal was easy to get. Not many RTX cards are truly that easy to get.

 

[Vayra86]

3 months is plenty, it's enough to compare the initial market response.

Exactly. This was in response to 'but RTX is out of stock everywhere'. Right, so sales plateau for a month and today you still find cards out of stock (I checked local markets, many GPUs on long delivery times and some stores with low availability). That means they simply aren't there to begin with, ie product is scarce.

Why? Nvidia is possibly having some issues with yields, we've already seen several reports of things not being smooth as you'd want them to be. None of this is surprising, but it is telling when it comes to how feasible Turing is in the long run. We know these dies are flippin' massive. We know that inflates the price, and we see it happening right in front of our eyes. This launch was rushed to be in time for Christmas, and missed the mark.

OR: Nvidia is holding on to their purchased production capacity for other product lines... GTX 1060 versions out of GP104 perhaps? Or the myriad of 2060's we're about to see? A rumored GTX 11xx series?

Either way, you don't do any of this when you've got a sweet, viable product that people are waiting in line for.

 

[EarthDog]

...a comparison over the span of 3 months is just as valid as one over the period of 3 years.

Just quoting for permanence.

Have fun guys!

EDIT: Also, plenty of stock here in the states (newegg/amazon/brick and mortar stores like BBuy and MCenter).

What woulds they have gained by waiting? More stock when there is currently stock (at least for the US and UK). I mean some models are not available, but is this because of how the card partner cut it or NVIDIA? How does anyone know allocations to card partners? Why can't those not in stock be an issue on the AIB providing the different than ref/FE boards? There can be plenty of reasons some models don't show.

 

[Vya Domus]

That means they simply aren't there to begin with.

And there's a very good reason for that that has nothing to do with perf/dollar or anything of the sort. These GPU dies are massive , there is no way Nvidia can pump them out at the same rate as they have done with the much smaller Pascal cards, even on a mature node. This is a matter of manufacturing limitations. The new GDDR6 doesn't help either.

 

[eidairaman1]

Of course it should not add a lot to graphics, it's physics middleware. It adds to physics simulations to make them feel more real life. Audio as audio, graphics as graphics and physics as physics. Ray tracing is replacing rasterizing on rendering pipeline, so it's a new(very old)more realistic way of doing visuals.

I like the fact Vulkan Exists, as it is not locked into Windows 10 like DX12 is or DX11 for W8... (W7 here because of bugginess with 10 changing all the time.

Except MSRP, for the 2080Ti At least, is "starting at $999". So far, only ONE SINGLE card has hit that price, on offer from EVGA: The 2080 Ti Black Edition.

As for stock being low... yeah it's selling out, but that doesn't mean that NVIDIA is delivering a lot of GPUs to AIBs or owners. By this time in it's product cycle, Pascal was easy to get. Not many RTX cards are truly that easy to get.

Yeah $1000 usd for a gpu that will be underperforming in 2 years, no thanks. 450-500 should be the cap.

 

[kings]

People compare this to the price of the GTX 1060, but forget the RX 480 was on the market at the same time to keep prices a bit lower! Basically, the closest competition to the RTX 2060 will be the RX Vega 56 (if we believe in the leaks), which still costs upwards of $400~$450, except for one or another occasional promotion.

Unless AMD pulls something off their hat in January, $350 to $400 for the RTX 2060 will be in tune with what AMD also offers! Nvidia with their dominant position, is not interested in disrupting the market with price/performance.

 

[eidairaman1]

People compare this to the price of the GTX 1060, but forget the RX 480 was on the market at the same time to keep prices a bit lower! Basically, the closest competition to the RTX 2060 will be the RX Vega 56 (if we believe in the leaks), which still costs upwards of $400~$450, except for one or another occasional promotion.

Unless AMD pulls something off their hat in January, $350 to $400 for the RTX 2060 will be in tune with what AMD also offers! Nvidia with their dominant position, is not interested in disrupting the market with price/performance.

They never have

 

[GoldenX]

Expensive is expensive, that's a fact and there is no argument against that. You can pay for it? Good for you, that doesn't give it good value.
We are in the same situation as before Ryzen on the GPU market, with the difference that Nvidia can design something new like almost/fake RTRT, it's mostly useless for now, but it's new anyway.
We need competition, that being the Nth iteration of GCN, or whatever Intel is doing.

RTX fans sound just like "hurr durr Vega is not GCN" fans.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

with nothing for AMD to offer at the table, Nvidia has THE final say. Don't like it, don't buy 'em. Simple as that. I don't think that reaching the $350 goal is a problem once you set your financial priorities straight & stop complaining. Don't have the luxury to buy one, fine by you. Don't bash others around for what they like just because they got the money for it & you don't.

 

[GoldenX]

with nothing for AMD to offer at the table, Nvidia has THE final say. Don't like it, don't buy 'em. Simple as that. I don't think that reaching the $350 goal is a problem once you set your financial priorities straight & stop complaining. Don't have the luxury to buy one, fine by you. Don't bash others around for what they like just because they got the money for it & you don't.

So a GPU for an iPhone price at USD 1300 is fine, a low to mid end one at 350 is fine, and complaining about raising prices is not. Great, when can I buy a Celeron for USD1500? I can't wait.

 

[unikin]

with nothing for AMD to offer at the table, Nvidia has THE final say. Don't like it, don't buy 'em. Simple as that. I don't think that reaching the $350 goal is a problem once you set your financial priorities straight & stop complaining. Don't have the luxury to buy one, fine by you. Don't bash others around for what they like just because they got the money for it & you don't.

It's not about being able to afford it or not it's about allowing them to rip you off or not. I have 3 Titans V (costing me nearly 10K) in my computing system and am not willing to buy RTX for my VR gaming PC at these prices. I want price/performance ratio for my money. Titan V offers good value compared to Quadro line for my computing needs (that's why NGreedia crippled RTX titanium now, greedy b..), RTX doesn't do the same for gaming, so I'm staying away from it like a plague and will gladly buy Vega II/Navi if it offers better bang for my bucks. I don't want to be mikled more than is neccessary.

 

[xkm1948]

Nice to see bunch of couch GPU designers and financial analysts knows better than a multi million GPU company regarding both technology and pricing. It is called capitalism for a reason, no competition means Nvidia can have free say on how much they price their cards. You don’t like it then don’t buy, good for you. Someone else likes it they buy and it is entirely their own business. NVIDIA is “greedy” sure yeah they better f*ucking be greedy. They are a for profit company not a f*ucking charity. How the hell are they able to develop new GPU designs? NVIDIA engineers should just work out of pure love instead of feeding their families? So much moan and whining

 

[GoldenX]

Another capitalist with the "not a charity" meme. A hundred years with the same lame excuse.
Price inflation due to lack of competition/monopoly is a good thing now?
Would you kindly be a slave somewhere else? I think Ryan is calling you.

 

[xkm1948]

Another capitalist with the "not a charity" meme. A hundred years with the same lame excuse.
Price inflation due to lack of competition/monopoly is a good thing now?
Would you kindly be a slave somewhere else? I think Ryan is calling you.

I heard Soviet Russia is good for folks like you. All the GPUs you can have for free.

Oh wait, it collapsed.

 

[GoldenX]

I heard Soviet Russia is good for folks like you. All the GPUs you can have for free.

Oh wait, it collapsed.

Apples to oranges, the Cold War already ended, get on with the news. Tip, there was a nice crisis on the 30s.

 

[unikin]

Nice to see bunch of couch GPU designers and financial analysts knows better than a multi million GPU company regarding both technology and pricing. It is called capitalism for a reason, no competition means Nvidia can have free say on how much they price their cards. You don’t like it then don’t buy, good for you. Someone else likes it they buy and it is entirely their own business. NVIDIA is “greedy” sure yeah they better f*ucking be greedy. They are a for profit company not a f*ucking charity. How the hell are they able to develop new GPU designs? NVIDIA engineers should just work out of pure love instead of feeding their families? So much moan and whining

Yep, we also used to have antitrust laws and people with spine and balls to implement them against duo(mono)polies, in the age of apathy we have neither anymore. That's why West is turning into shithole.