AMD Announces the Radeon VII Graphics Card: Beats GeForce RTX 2080

[Assimilator]

Unless AMD has somehow f**ked up in a way not yet thought possible, "Radeon 7" will be faster than Vega. Even if this card is only barely competitive with RTX 2080, it's still better than having NO competitor.

16GB of HBM2 is a gimmick that is gonna be hella pricey though; while I doubt AMD will make a loss on this card, there's no way their margins are anywhere near NVIDIA's. So this is just an attempt to save face, and as others have mentioned, it rather points to the fact that Navi is not progressing as well as AMD had hoped.

 

[R0H1T]

which gives them 16nm gen nvidia performance in enthusiast (vega 7 vs 1080ti) and probably nvidia's 12nm gen performance with 7nm navi if it can match the 2060/2070.

Look at the die sizes, surely you couldn't have missed that?
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080.c3224
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2070.c3252
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-vii.c3358

 

[INSTG8R]

which gives them 16nm gen nvidia performance in enthusiast (vega 7 vs 1080ti) and probably nvidia's 12nm gen performance with 7nm navi if it can match the 2060/2070.

Equating process node to performance is a fools game.. Turing is HUGE! Makes my Vega look small...

Edit: I guess me equating die size is no better but point still stands.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Equating process node to performance is a fools game.. Turing is HUGE! Makes my Vega look small...

Edit: I guess me equating die size is no better but point still stands.

yes but turing has RT and tensor cores which vega 1/2 has none.

 

[INSTG8R]

yes but turing has RT and tensor cores which vega 1/2 has none.

No but it’s got lots of Compute units that are asleep most of the time...so are your tensor cores

 

[prtskg]

Excerpt from my fantasy mill -
TSMC - Lisa, our 7nm isn't running at full capacity. We'll give you a rebate if you want more production.
Lisa - Mark, cpu division is in testing phase so they won't require more 7nm capacity, right?
Mark - Yes Lisa. And Navi is too far out for more 7nm capacity.
Lisa - How about we bring Vega 20 to consumers and increase it's production? Even though the smallest Vega 20 has 16GB HBM, selling it won't be difficult seeing RTX prices.
Mark - Right you are Lisa. I don't know what AMD would have done without you.
Lisa -
Mark - At CES announcement do say that you love gamers and more gamers will buy it.
Lisa - Really?
Mark - Yes

 

[bajs11]

meh its just another Vega, high power consumption and expensive
and I was hoping for a cheaper alternative to the 2080...

why hbm though I mean it didn't give Vega any advantage over Pascal cards and is super expensive

 

[prtskg]

meh its just another Vega, high power consumption and expensive
and I was hoping for a cheaper alternative to the 2080...

why hbm though I mean it didn't give Vega any advantage over Pascal cards and is super expensive

It's Radeon Instint 50 cards with fans. So AMD brought a professional card to consumer market with minimum investment (fans ) to compete with 2080. Something is better than nothing, right?

 

[Sandbo]

It's Radeon Instint 50 cards with fans. So AMD brought a professional card to consumer market with minimum investment (fans ) to compete with 2080. Something is better than nothing, right?

Exactly what I think, if they are able to sell lower bin chips at a price similar to a competing product, why not?
As the users this may not be a wonderful new product, but it is at least an option.

 

[kings]

Nvidia disses the Radeon VII, vowing the RTX 2080 will crush AMD's ‘underwhelming’ GPU

 

[medi01]

331 mm² Vega 7 vs 545 mm² 2080.
It ain't that bad, if you think about it.

Nvidia disses the Radeon VII, vowing the RTX 2080 will crush AMD's ‘underwhelming’ GPU

I recall 1060 was "much faster" than 480.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Vega 20 is 7nm where RTX 2080 is 12nm (rebranded 16nm). Chip size doesn't really tell us anything useful because of that.

 

[newtekie1]

16GB on this card makes no sense, make it cheaper and use 4GB stacks instead.

Also, to point out the obvious. Isn't this AMD's most expensive consumer gfx card ever?

Not even close to the most expensive. The 295x2 was $1500.

 

[INSTG8R]

16GB on this card makes no sense, make it cheaper and use 4GB stacks instead.



Not even close to the most expensive. The 295x2 was $1500.

Not my quote but let’s just clear that up shall we?

`Unfortunately, you can't scale down the HBM2 any further and still retain the 128 ROPs, so 16 GB is the smallest capacity AMD can offer, which is why the pricepoint on this is so close relative to the 2080.
`

 

[cucker tarlson]

331 mm² Vega 7 vs 545 mm² 2080.
It ain't that bad, if you think about it.


I recall 1060 was "much faster" than 480.

what ain't bad ?
a 550mm2 12nm card from nvidia runs at 230W with RT features, a 7nm 330mm2 Vega can barely match it at 300W.
The card is decent if you look at the performance only. technologically a 7nm 300W card with 1080Ti performance is taking amd another step behind nvidia.They chasing big pascals in efficiency and can barely match it at 7nm and with 4 stack hbm2.They'll be chasing 2080Ti in 2020 when nvidia drops 7nm cards with a power efficiency improvement similar to maxwell-pascal.

 

[INSTG8R]

what ain't bad ?
a 550mm2 12nm card from nvidia runs at 230W with RT features, a 7nm 330mm2 Vega can barely match it at 300W.
The card is decent if you look at the performance only. technologically a 7nm 300W card with 1080Ti performance is taking amd another step behind nvidia.They chasing big pascals in efficiency and can barely match it at 7nm and with 4 stack hbm2.They'll be chasing 2080Ti in 2020 when nvidia drops 7nm cards with a power efficiency improvement similar to maxwell-pascal.

Sorry and your getting your Vega power numbers from where? I can make my Vega run at 240W(that’s actually stock no adjustments) if I want to and lose zero performance doing it but do tell me more about your 300W assumptions...

 

[cucker tarlson]

Sorry and your getting your Vega power numbers from where? I can make my Vega run at 240W if I want to and lose zero performance doing it but do tell me more about your 300W assumptions...

on power save bios,where you lose performance too
sorry,but anyone can do that and it has nothing to do with what were talking about.I can run my 1080Ti at 70% power limit too and lose very little performance,so can every other amd/nvidia owner with their card. as if vega was anything special at undervolting I could run my gtx 1080 with fans off when I undervolted,it never broke 60 degrees and it still got 90-95% of the stock performance.
I'm quoting every review of v64 ever made,only the ones that are conducted in objective manner,stock bios vs stock bios.
Are we going to debate that v64 is a power hog now ? I thought it was common knowledge since it got out.

 

[siluro818]

HBM is expensive and 16GB is overkill. I would rather see it ship with 8GB and a lower price. Can someone point me to a benchmark of a game using more than 8GB of vram?

Assassin's Creed Odyssey uses 9+ GB VRAM with 4K/HDR/Ultra settings when utilizing Adaptive AA mode. Though on Vega 56/64 you can just enable HBCC and it works like a charm.

 

[Assimilator]

Not my quote but let’s just clear that up shall we?

`Unfortunately, you can't scale down the HBM2 any further and still retain the 128 ROPs, so 16 GB is the smallest capacity AMD can offer, which is why the pricepoint on this is so close relative to the 2080.
`

Very valid point that myself and others have overlooked - I imagine it was cheaper to just throw 16GB of expensive HBM2 on a stopgap card that probably won't be available in large numbers, than to redesign Vega 20 to have a different ROP:VRAM ratio.

 

[siluro818]

Nvidia disses the Radeon VII, vowing the RTX 2080 will crush AMD's ‘underwhelming’ GPU

Yeah that guy is just pathetic. I thought I was reading Trump quotes for a second there

 

[INSTG8R]

on power save bios,where you lose performance too
sorry,but anyone can do that and it has nothing to do with what were talking about.I can run my 1080Ti at 70% power limit too and lose very little performance,so can every other amd/nvidia owner with their card. as if vega was anything special at undervolting I could run my gtx 1080 with fans off when I undervolted,it never broke 60 degrees and it still got 90-95% of the stock performance.
I'm quoting every review of v64 ever made,only the ones that are conducted in objective manner,stock bios vs stock bios.
Are we going to debate that v64 is a power hog now ? I thought it was common knowledge since it got out.

No I own one so I know exactly how much power it uses. I don’t go by outdated numbers you’re using and I’ve tested both BIOS many times and the performance difference is non existent. Oh and the “HOT” BIOS tops out a 276W so again your 300W is outdated. I’ve never even made ANY attempt at undervolting.Yeah I can easily push it over 300(Ran the “hot” BIOS this morning with the clocks at 1750/1000 50% power limit and hit 347W peak so nobodies saying it can’t eat up power. But please drop your 300W assumptions they’re wrong and your opinion not fact at this point.

 

[newtekie1]

Not my quote but let’s just clear that up shall we?

`Unfortunately, you can't scale down the HBM2 any further and still retain the 128 ROPs, so 16 GB is the smallest capacity AMD can offer, which is why the pricepoint on this is so close relative to the 2080.
`

True, but do they need 128 ROPs in a desktop graphics card on this performance level?

Very valid point that myself and others have overlooked - I imagine it was cheaper to just throw 16GB of expensive HBM2 on a stopgap card that probably won't be available in large numbers, than to redesign Vega 20 to have a different ROP:VRAM ratio.

A redesign isn't really necessary, just remove two of the HBM2 stacks from the GPU and disable two of the memory controllers(which would also disable half of the ROPs if I'm not mistaken).

 

[INSTG8R]

True, but do they need 128 ROPs in a desktop graphics card on this performance level?



A redesign isn't really necessary, just remove two of the HBM2 stacks from the GPU and disable two of the memory controllers(which would also disable half of the ROPs if I'm not mistaken).

Sadly the design is the design so their hands are tied outside of your proposed scenario that who knows they might even do that, it’s not an unreasonable idea.

 

[R0H1T]

Wasn't less ROPs supposedly one of the biggest drawback of Fury & Vega? If you cut the ROPs in half then what would happen to the performance, surely none wants Vega64 respun?

 

[Gasaraki]

2x the VRAM. Don't forget that. So you're getting A LOT more for your money actually.

Two 8 pins doesn't automatically mean 300W TDP, I remember the Polaris meltdown when the cards were pulling above 75W from the PCIe slot. This could just be to avoid that same brouhaha.

This a a Vega 20 card. The Radeon instinct card was already at 300W so... this has higher clocks...