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ASUS and ASRock AMD X570 Chipset Motherboards Listed

Sandbo said:
Quit thinking gaming is the only purpose/use of GPU already. There is a thing called compute.
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Then wash your eyes and reread the headline once again. These mainstream boards are designed to reside GPU in the first slot. It is all about getting more for the average consumer, not throwing out niche needs.

You are mixing things up seriously, it is not a server chipset residing an array of Teslas or Instincts.
 
Mats said:
Anyone else here who thinks the new boards being listed 3 - 4 months in advance is quite early?
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Not really nothing is changing on the board side. Same socket same traces for pcie etc. Everything that is fancy and new will be on the cpu.
 
I fail to see the appeal of new PCIe.

Sure, we can go on about "muh bandwidth" however, in a consumer setting, bandwidth is not really an issue anymore. There is no difference between PCIe 3.0 x8 and x16 on a single video card, the only thing GPU wise that ever pushed slots to their limit was dual GPU, which is not long dead. And thats on the highest end hardware, which only a small # of people use. The vast majority of PC gamers are still below the 1060 in performance, and play at 1080p or lower. This puts the number of gamers pushing for new PCIe as a niche of a niche market.

What about NVMe you ask? Well, I ask, why do you need more? NVMe drives today are easily 6-7X faster then the best SATA III SSDs, and yet the real world results show that does diddly squat. Load times for windows are, what, a whole second faster? Maybe 2 in a pinch? IME, CIV V takes just as long to load from my 950 pro as it did off of my old mushkin reactor SSD. Waiting for windows to load takes almost the same amount of time, and waiting for programs like STEAM and Afterburner to load after launch shows no difference either. Multiple benchmarks show no difference in consumer software between SATA and NVMe. Bulk file movements, like for 4K video editing benefit, but only on a local machine, and transferring between devices is limited by network speeds, and file sizes big enough to benefit make USB 3 drives irrelevant, even then the best only hit around SATA III speed, and super fast high density USB C 10 Gbps drives are unicorns.

I feel that we are hitting the sharp, hard wall of diminishing returns. Modern computer hardware was already way too fast for tasks outside of 3d gaming or productivity work, and this push for stupid fast internal bus speeds seems to be ignoring the potential applications for consumers when network, flash, and external storage already cant fully utilize what we have, and professional markets are already using x16 card SSDs, again asking what the consumer market well get out of this new, expensive tech. I see people here saying that having faster lanes will allow more connectivity, but surely having MORE PCI3 lanes so I dont need to split them between interfaces would accomplish this goal just as well at a far lower cost?

To me, PCI4 is just like USB 6.9 2x2 ultra mcnugget drives. Most people I know still have and use 2.0 USB drives, a few use 3.0, and those are already more then fast enough for the files they are moving. Much like how SATA III SSDs and USB 3 flash drives are more then enough for consumers, I feel PCI3 is already faster then most users will likely utilize in the next decade.
 
Ferrum Master said:
Then wash your eyes and reread the headline once again. These mainstream boards are designed to reside GPU in the first slot. It is all about getting more for the average consumer, not throwing out niche needs.

You are mixing things up seriously, it is not a server chipset residing an array of Teslas or Instincts.
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I am not sure what makes you think a gaming board cannot do serious work, you need to read more about computing in general, not limiting yourself to the headline.

There are tons of homelab builders and even laboratories using gaming grade computer components to run experiments with GPU. Oh, did I mention there are the miners? Did they use Tesla? Or Instinct?
 
Sandbo said:
I am not sure what makes you think a gaming board cannot do serious work, you need to read more about computing in general, not limiting yourself to the headline.

There are tons of homelab builders and even laboratories using gaming grade computer components to run experiments with GPU. Oh, did I mention there are the miners? Did they use Tesla? Or Instinct?
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"tons" eh? Gonna need a source on how many professional laboratories are using "gaming" hardware for server tasks.

Professional miners, whom make up the majority of GPU mining buyers, use specialized "mining" boards with 15+ PCIe connections on them, then connect the GPU via ribbon cable, as a x1 connections sufficient for mining. Only amateurs are using gaming boards, and again, mining would not benefit from faster PCIe connectors, but rather additional lanes.
 
TheinsanegamerN said:
I fail to see the appeal of new PCIe.

Sure, we can go on about "muh bandwidth" however, in a consumer setting, bandwidth is not really an issue anymore. There is no difference between PCIe 3.0 x8 and x16 on a single video card, the only thing GPU wise that ever pushed slots to their limit was dual GPU, which is not long dead. And thats on the highest end hardware, which only a small # of people use. The vast majority of PC gamers are still below the 1060 in performance, and play at 1080p or lower. This puts the number of gamers pushing for new PCIe as a niche of a niche market.

What about NVMe you ask? Well, I ask, why do you need more? NVMe drives today are easily 6-7X faster then the best SATA III SSDs, and yet the real world results show that does diddly squat. Load times for windows are, what, a whole second faster? Maybe 2 in a pinch? IME, CIV V takes just as long to load from my 950 pro as it did off of my old mushkin reactor SSD. Waiting for windows to load takes almost the same amount of time, and waiting for programs like STEAM and Afterburner to load after launch shows no difference either. Multiple benchmarks show no difference in consumer software between SATA and NVMe. Bulk file movements, like for 4K video editing benefit, but only on a local machine, and transferring between devices is limited by network speeds, and file sizes big enough to benefit make USB 3 drives irrelevant, even then the best only hit around SATA III speed, and super fast high density USB C 10 Gbps drives are unicorns.

I feel that we are hitting the sharp, hard wall of diminishing returns. Modern computer hardware was already way too fast for tasks outside of 3d gaming or productivity work, and this push for stupid fast internal bus speeds seems to be ignoring the potential applications for consumers when network, flash, and external storage already cant fully utilize what we have, and professional markets are already using x16 card SSDs, again asking what the consumer market well get out of this new, expensive tech. I see people here saying that having faster lanes will allow more connectivity, but surely having MORE PCI3 lanes so I dont need to split them between interfaces would accomplish this goal just as well at a far lower cost?

To me, PCI4 is just like USB 6.9 2x2 ultra mcnugget drives. Most people I know still have and use 2.0 USB drives, a few use 3.0, and those are already more then fast enough for the files they are moving. Much like how SATA III SSDs and USB 3 flash drives are more then enough for consumers, I feel PCI3 is already faster then most users will likely utilize in the next decade.
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You might be right to believe most people will be happy with PCI-E 3.0. In reality, the move is driven by the computing, in particular AI market. Bringing it to the gaming board probably is just a by product, but lots of “gamers”
TheinsanegamerN said:
"tons" eh? Gonna need a source on how many professional laboratories are using "gaming" hardware for server tasks.

Professional miners, whom make up the majority of GPU mining buyers, use specialized "mining" boards with 15+ PCIe connections on them, then connect the GPU via ribbon cable, as a x1 connections sufficient for mining. Only amateurs are using gaming boards, and again, mining would not benefit from faster PCIe connectors, but rather additional lanes.
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let me tell you: many.
Maybe not the main frame of the school, but in a lab, in students’ office, and by professors.
Source: I am a final year PhD student in experimental quantum information. I don’t have the numbers, but I never see, unless for mission critical main frame, one will deploy anything more serious than a gaming computer, obviously due to cost.

I agree mining isn’t the best example, by pointing it out I meant there are “tons” of application that one can use the PCI-E slot for. Comments claiming PCI-E 4 on gaming board are pointless simply are beyond under-informed.

For the fun of it, we are operating two fragile, 400k+ each equipment using a “cheap” Intel 4770 computer with some random ASUS boards, this is also used for taking data. Been like this for a few years without any problems. It’s really not that crazy to see gaming hardware being used in a serious manner.
 
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Tuf should be no nonsense like the Sabertooth 990FX,

Gaming name should be scrapped for everything, ROG covers that, so Crosshair Formula/Extreme and then TUF.
 
Something about the X570 chipset that is exiting. More exiting than X370 & X470 combined. Can't wait to hear more about it.
Debating on a ASRock Fatal1ty x570 Gaming X or a ASUS Crosshair VIII x570. Will have to do a side by side comparison when they are released. :D
 
Super XP said:
Something about the X570 chipset that is exiting. More exiting than X370 & X470 combined. Can't wait to hear more about it.
Debating on a ASRock Fatal1ty x570 Gaming X or a ASUS Crosshair VIII x570. Will have to do a side by side comparison when they are released. :D
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Fact of it being Inhouse and not by ASMedia, PCIE4.0 16x links...
 
eidairaman1 said:
Fact of it being Inhouse and not by ASMedia, PCIE4.0 16x links...
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You are correct, I forgot about that, its being done in house. Reminds me of the good old AMD Athlon days, where a lot was done in house.
 
Super XP said:
You are correct, I forgot about that, its being done in house. Reminds me of the good old AMD Athlon days, where a lot was done in house.
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990FX/970A.
 
Sandbo said:
Quit thinking gaming is the only purpose/use of GPU already. There is a thing called compute.
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before compute there was GAMING!!!!!
 
TheMadDutchDude said:
Sign me up for the Formula! :)
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Hope they don't pull another fast one with "Double 8-Phase" that is actually a 4 phase vcore.

eidairaman1 said:
before compute there was GAMING!!!!!
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You forgot RGB!!!!!!!!

Any way, I am wondering what is it with complaining about having "TOO FAST" or "TOO MUCH" in mainstream hardware when we are finally getting more power for similar price on a each new gen.
You know something that used to be the norm is now a taboo. Am I still on an enthusiast forum these days? o_O
 
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TheMadDutchDude said:
When did they do that?? I’ve always thought of the Formula boards as real, no BS boards.
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Thats what the TUF boards used to be but have been relegated to bottom bin...
 
cdawall said:
Not really nothing is changing on the board side. Same socket same traces for pcie etc. Everything that is fancy and new will be on the cpu.
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Yeah I was thinking about the timing, not the features.

What I totally missed before was that it's only 2 months left to Computex.
 
TheMadDutchDude said:
Very true. A once solid brand has been brought down. It’s unfortunate.
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If the term gaming would be gone and only Relegated to Rog boards, the TUF line can be VRM/Choke/Cap/PCB/Bios Strong and have no RGB features or Rog Feature sets. A no Nonsense board.
 
fynxer said:
Picture is of the X470 MB ?
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Congrats on spotting a placeholder picture as the board isn't in the wild yet, your cookie is in the mail.
 
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Heres a list of the Asus ones-
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII FORMULA
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (WI-FI)
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII IMPACT
ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING
ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING
ROG STRIX X570-I GAMING
PRIME X570-P
PRIME X570-PRO
Pro WS X570-ACE
TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI)
TUF GAMING X570-PLUS
 
I can’t believe there’s going to be an Impact. It blows my mind. Super exciting and it potentially shows that AMD really means business with these chips. ;)

I’m still signing myself up for the Formula if it isn’t at an extortionate price. If it is, I’ll happily settle for the Hero again. I’m still very happy with my CHVI. It’s a fantastic board.
 
We need PCI-E 4.0 not for the video cards, but for the multiple USB3.2 ports, multiple nVME cards, Thunderbolts, etc, etc.
 
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