AMD Outsells Intel 2:1 on European Retailer Mindfactory.de

[B-Real]

Yet the revenue is almost equal - no comment on that?

As Intel is selling theirs for such expensive prices. And yet people are so blind to buy them while most of them DO NOT GET any advantage in games as they do not use it with high end GPUs on FHD... And still they have no idea about it, but they are ripped of their money.

 

[juiseman]

when sunny cove hits intel will outsell 5:1

Interesting; finally a new design just reading up on it....

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/intel-unveils-a-new-architecture-for-2019-sunny-cove/

I wonder what tricks AMD has up its sleeve after its Q2 2019 CPU's come out...

 

[kapone32]

when sunny cove hits intel will outsell 5:1

Hahahahahaha not with the young generation of PC builders learning of the flexibility of AMD vs Intel

Interesting; finally a new design just reading up on it....

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/intel-unveils-a-new-architecture-for-2019-sunny-cove/

I wonder what tricks AMD has up its sleeve after its Q2 2019 CPU's come out...

5nm TSMC has already got it working as a node

 

[Mescalamba]

Means Intel chips are overpriced ?

Or AMD is undercutting. Truth is in the middle.

Intel is a bit overpriced and AMD is a bit underpriced.

 

[R-T-B]

Steam nor MindFactory.de is relevant as what cpus' customers are using. It shows some figures. Take it as a different approach. You have gaming platforms from steam and general purchases from a reseller across Germany and/or EU. Is that fine?

Of course that's fine. I was just laughing at the irony of certain users here. Many of course are brighter than that, thankfully.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Interesting; finally a new design just reading up on it....

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/intel-unveils-a-new-architecture-for-2019-sunny-cove/

I wonder what tricks AMD has up its sleeve after its Q2 2019 CPU's come out...

Anyone who thinks AMD is just gonna sit around is in for a rude awakening. Zen 3 is rumored to bring another 10-15% performance increase while cutting energy usage in half AGAIN. Keep in mind that will be stacking on top of what Zen 2 is bringing. Zen 2 is going to increase IPC by 20%, increase clockspeeds by 15%, lower power usage, and double core counts.

Sunny Cove will be lucky to even mostly catch up to Zen 2, let alone Zen 3.

5nm TSMC has already got it working as a node

Correct. AMD is not sitting still, this is what Intel is going to have to catch up with:

1. 2019 - Zen 2 more than doubles performance/efficiency over Zen 1.
2. 2020 - Zen 2+ with chiplets on 7nm+ or EUV, and enhanced (possible die-shrunk) I/O die for another 10% performance boost and lower power consumption.
3. 2021 - Zen 3 on either 7nmEUV or 5nm for 15% higher performance and doubled efficiency. Possibility of 3D-stacking chiplets.
4. 2022 - Zen 3+
5. 2023 - Zen 4 3D-stacked 5nm+ or possibly even 3/4nm chiplets

Intel has a lot of work to do after only increasing performance 5-10% per year....

 

[danbert2000]

If Zen 3 truly does catch up with IPC and frequency, I think we are going to see an even bigger shift to AMD for enthusiast builds. Consumer laptops and desktops, on the other hand...

 

[notb]

@btarunr you took a single graph from a very decent analysis available at ExtremeTech and you've turned it into an AMD-fanboy-comforting clickbait.
I mean... what's the point?

Also, funny how there are people on this forum who think that users of a large, global gaming platform are a poor statistical representation of all gamers, but clients of a single store in Germany represent the whole market. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G

 

[Captain_Tom]

@btarunr you took a single graph from a very decent analysis available at ExtremeTech and you've turned it into an AMD-fanboy-comforting clickbait.
I mean... what's the point?

Also, funny how there are people on this forum who think that users of a large, global gaming platform are a poor statistical representation of all gamers, but clients of a single store in Germany represent the whole market. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G

I have actually noticed an odd thing with the Steam survey though - I am never asked to take it on my AMD systems, and yet my Nvidia systems are constantly bugging me to take the latest survey. I suspect Nvidia installs something with new drivers that checks the "take steam survey" box so they are over-represented.

Furthermore it's well known that many Chinese/SK gaming cafe's use piles of GTX 1060's, and every different user that logs in is counted as a different person taking the Steam Survey. Thus if you have 10 different people who use one cafe's gaming dekstop, it's counted as 10 different 1060's (Even though it is one). The steam survey is incredibly flawed and near useless at this point for that reason.

 

[KarymidoN]

A lot of people still rooting against AMD, they forgot that before ZEN intel was ripping us off with 4-core CPUs... ok, they still rip us off, but now with 6-cores.
AMD Pushing Intel with More cores and better performance is good for everyone (except intel), i Really hope (as a consumer) that Someday AMD passes intel and they have to lower their prices, Same thing with GPU's but that is really Unlikely (and sad for us, the consumers).

 

[ODOGG26]

A lot of people still rooting against AMD, they forgot that before ZEN intel was ripping us off with 4-core CPUs... ok, they still rip us off, but now with have 6-cores.
AMD Pushing Intel with More cores and better performance is good for everyone (except intel), i Really hope (as a consumer) that Someday AMD passes intel and they have to lower their prices, Same thing with GPU's but that is really Unlikely (and sad for us, the consumers).

Well said. I agree

 

[notb]

Furthermore it's well known that many Chinese/SK gaming cafe's use piles of GTX 1060's, and every different user that logs in is counted as a different person taking the Steam Survey. Thus if you have 10 different people who use one cafe's gaming dekstop, it's counted as 10 different 1060's (Even though it is one). The steam survey is incredibly flawed and near useless at this point for that reason.

How are they "near useless"? Because you can't use them?

 

[Totally]

A lot of people still rooting against AMD, they forgot that before ZEN intel was ripping us off with 4-core CPUs... ok, they still rip us off, but now with 6-cores.
AMD Pushing Intel with More cores and better performance is good for everyone (except intel), i Really hope (as a consumer) that Someday AMD passes intel and they have to lower their prices, Same thing with GPU's but that is really Unlikely (and sad for us, the consumers).

Looking at how people are lining up to buy 9700k/9900k's those buyers do not care

 

[John Naylor]

Have to wonder why this Euro region is so out of sync with the rest of the world.

Worldwide Market Share:
Q3 2017 - 22.3%
Q1 2018 - 20.2 %
Q3 2018 - 20.9%
Q1 2019 - 23.1%
Q2 2009 - 23.0% (so far)

But I wonder much more why folks focus on Hz and cores, only thing we look at is application performance. Shortest time to completion (or most fps in gaming) wins.

 

[HD64G]

Tables have already turned before Zen2 goes on sale. Who would have thought? And to those that post stats about total sales, those figures include OEMs and those are on long term contracts. For people that want to build a PC without breaking the bank, Ryzen is the best selection, especially with the upcoming Zen2 being able to run on previous series motherboards. Ryzen have pushed Intel very much already in all fronts apart from notebooks. Competition works for us customers as very nice balanced CPUs are sold in prices unheard of.

 

[Flyordie]

Also... This is sales revenue... So wouldn't this mean AMD is really gaining more market share than what is really being stated?

Personally, though I think its a perfect storm atm... prices for AMD are down and RAM prices are down almost 25% in the last 6 months. Shoot, I have seen Micron DDR4 2666 8GB for $29.99 now. Its getting down there. Now we are just in that lull from people who are waiting to see what Zen 3 has to offer.

 

[R-T-B]

How are they "near useless"? Because you can't use them?

Because the statistics collection method is flawed.

That being said, you get flaws nearly everywhere in any digitally administered survey. The question is how bad...

 

[Xzibit]

Steam Hardware Survey is a Opt-in survey.

It be like standing outside of Mindfactory.de (If its a physical store) and surveying shoppers on their CPU purchase. Some are just going to walk right pass you ignoring you. People being shipped to will be over looked. A small minority at best will talk to you, even smaller will participate. With the majority of those who participate spending their time playing Dota 2, CS:GO & PUBG.

 

[KarymidoN]

Looking at how people are lining up to buy 9700k/9900k's those buyers do not care

I mean, i'm not saying they are bad chips, but if you look at VALUE, and if you understand what value really is all about, you would not get those overpriced CPU's, but hey, feel free to spend your money the way you want bros'.

I'm in brazil so what is expensive in dollars becomes 4x that price over here, so i'll stay on the Value side of things.

 

[Super XP]

Tables have already turned before Zen2 goes on sale. Who would have thought? And to those that post stats about total sales, those figures include OEMs and those are on long term contracts. For people that want to build a PC without breaking the bank, Ryzen is the best selection, especially with the upcoming Zen2 being able to run on previous series motherboards. Ryzen have pushed Intel very much already in all fronts apart from notebooks. Competition works for us customers as very nice balanced CPUs are sold in prices unheard of.

Have to agree 100%.
When ZEN was launched, Intel didn't expect a increase of more than 50% IPC increase over AMD Excavator. That speed and efficiency boost caught Intel by surprise.
Then AMD launched Threadripper and Intel was slapped once more.

Intel is incapable of beating Ryzen's price / performance ATM. ZEN+ brought some respectful gains over ZEN. ZEN isn't without its minor latency issues. AMD apparently resolved them in ZEN 2. A complete redesign. Hopefully it works out well and we get the desired +20% boost in performance clock4clock.

 

[Caring1]

Yet sampling just germany for exclusively cpus is fine?

An etailer that sells to all markets actually, what you said is comparable to Amazon only being a U.S. seller.

 

[Xaled]

TechPowerUp yday: Steam Hardware Survey Shows AMD's Continued Struggle to Gain Market Share
TechPowerUp today:AMD Outsells Intel 2:1 on European Retailer Mindfactory.de

One is for GPU and the other is for CPU. So nothing wrong to be honest

 

[R-T-B]

An etailer that sells to all markets actually, what you said is comparable to Amazon only being a U.S. seller.

Amazon has much more market reach though. And it's irrelevant to the point that this is just as flawed if not moreso than the steam hardware survey.

 

[Xzibit]

Amazon has much more market reach though. And it's irrelevant to the point that this is just as flawed if not moreso than the steam hardware survey.

SHS has a % of, those willing to participate in the Survey. Where MF.de release numbers according to the source.

 

[R-T-B]

SHS has a % of, those willing to participate in the Survey. Where MF.de release numbers according to the source.

So both are limited markets. Thanks for confirming my point.