MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?

[Deleted member 158293]

Prudent of course, however there's nothing wrong with a bit of preemptive outrage to motivate MSI to avoid such a foolish pitfall.

I like this; prevention as opposed to scrambling for a cure...

Let's not forget, like happens oftentimes, the leak could be intentional to feel out market sentiment.

 

[SL2]

Yeah, basicly the higher end chipsets.

No, they're referring to the second generation of chipsets, the 400 series.

 

[evolucion8]

If true, it will hurt AMD as well. I planned on mobo longevity when I bought first gen Ryzen. If Asus follow suite, it shows AMD don't have the clout to force the issue. But, if I must change motherboard for a better processor, I may switch back to Intel.

Going back to a slower CPU riddled with security issues?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I like this; prevention as opposed to scrambling for a cure...

Let's not forget, like happens oftentimes, the leak could be intentional to feel out market sentiment.

This is entirely possible. However, if some silly nit at MSI didn't think this would cause backlash, they really shouldn't be in that job.

 

[RedBull108]

So one bad fan on a GPU 4 generations ago, and that makes MSI crap? The rest of your statement is laughable, as their 9xx and 10xx series GPU’s have been consistently high quality and cooling.

Also, GPU’s and motherboards are separate issues. Let’s keep them that way.

Its not just a single fan, you can google it including the newer series and notice how i was not the only one on this planet with a bad msi product. It does show the quality, or lack of, of their products. Might be separate issues but i kept buying gpus and motherboards from other companies ever since and a bios update for new ryzen cpus is already available.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Going back to a slower CPU riddled with security issues?

Intel is slower? What drugs are you on?

Don't get me wrong, Ryzen rocks! However, IPC is a thing and Intel is ahead in that race. Not by much and that's what makes Ryzen so compelling.

 

[Lindatje]

My next x570 motherboard.

MSI, Asus, ASRock or Gigabyte

 

[lexluthermiester]

Its not just a single fan, you can google it including the newer series and notice how i was not the only one on this planet with a bad msi product. It does show the quality, or lack of, of their products. Might be separate issues but i kept buying gpus and motherboards from other companies ever since and a bios update for new ryzen cpus is already available.

You can stop trolling now, no one is taking you seriously. Why? Because we all know that MSI, nor anyone else, make their own fans. Manufacturing mistakes happen and whoever made the fans for that series of cards made a mistake MSI couldn't control. Once they knew, MSI fixed the problem.

 

[PanicLake]

Pretty sure they will release updated BIOS'es. I think you guys jumped a little bit fast on the wagon.

This.

We need something official from MSI, until then there's no point in posting "if this is true" posts. We already know what everyone thinks if this is true..

Maybe read the article?

"In a support e-mail to an X370 XPower Titanium owner, MSI confirmed that it will not extend Zen 2 support to AMD 300-series. "

Just another brand that goes into the : don't buy list.

 

[champsilva]

When first Ryzen released and AMD has promised future upgrade until 2020 i said this is totally a motherboard brand choice, since they control bios updates and not AMD.

If Asus and Gigabyte do the same, and they can since is better for them to sell new motherboards and not wait 4 and 4 years to users upgrade this will be an AMD shot itself in the foot.

 

[RedBull108]

You can stop trolling now, no one is taking you seriously. Why? Because we all know that MSI, nor anyone else, make their own fans. Manufacturing mistakes happen and whoever made the fans for that series of cards made a mistake MSI couldn't control. Once they knew, MSI fixed the problem.

Lol, other companies like u say dont make their own fans either and i still havent seen a single one fail. Doesnt matter tho, avoiding them ever since and never had a problem with anything

 

[Rivage]

This is going to be some bad PR for MSI, that is a shame. Looks like I will roll ASRock for my x570 board.

Anyways. AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive works only with 400 series chipsets. Say thanks to AMD as well then.
I changed my X370 board to X470 long ago, with minimal cost. Sold barely new X370 board, yet with warranty for a good price. Not a problem at all.

 

[R0H1T]

When first Ryzen released and AMD has promised future upgrade until 2020 i said this is totally a motherboard brand choice, since they control bios updates and not AMD.

If Asus and Gigabyte do the same, and they can since is better for them to sell new motherboards and not wait 4 and 4 years to users upgrade this will be an AMD shot itself in the foot.

Won't matter too much for AMD either because Zen3 (4?) will likely bring DDR5 & you'll have to change the socket anyway. It's nice to have an option, though don't assume there will be expected support for such largesse - if I may call it that.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Anyone tried to page the MSI rep on TPU and ask him if this is true?? We did have an MSI rep lurking around here at one point or another

 

[EarthDog]

Meh... TL: DR...

Why not allow support for boards which can handle the new cpus...


I dont see this as a huge issue assuming the power thing is true. If they would certify a shoe box you can run into issues like with fx and literally only a handful of boards can handle overclocking and some throttle at stock...nobody wants an fx CPU or sub par mobo from amd/aib, again.

Everyone wants something for nothing.

 

[BackSlash]

OK, Fine! now I sell my x370 Gaming Titanium and BUY a newone, not from MSI btw..

 

[R-T-B]

has the latest BIOS update with a file size of 16384 bytes.

Of course it does, that's how raw images work. I can promise you it has room and AT LEAST 20% of it is unused, if not more.

Going back to a slower CPU riddled with security issues?

It isn't slower and the security issues are a near nonissue.

If they would certify a shoe box you can run into issues like with fx and literally only a handful of boards can handle overclocking and some throttle at stock...

Part of the issue is, the VRMs on MSIs complete x370 lineup is garbage. Their highest end board, the XPOWER Titanium, still uses friggin Nikos Powerpaks...

 

[champsilva]

Won't matter too much for AMD either because Zen3 (4?) will likely bring DDR5 & you'll have to change the socket anyway. It's nice to have an option, though don't assume there will be expected support for such largesse - if I may call it that.

Well, if amd wants to keep their promise, DDR5 need to be launched at 2021, or maybe hybrid DDR4 and DDR5, like some motherboard for Intel were.

 

[R0H1T]

Tbh AMD doesn't need to revise their boards from 3xx to 5xx or 6xx each year if there's not much difference between them. Granted 5xx will bring PCIe 4.0 support, but AMD doesn't have to be Intel & can easily skip the revisions if they wanted to. It's possible that the board makers want this though, considering Intel changes their sockets like socks.

 

[altermere]

"A socket change a year keeps the sheep in fear".

 

[FWD_Problems]

Well, I will have to buy a new mobo i guess.. But i can tell you it wont be another MSI. Do they actually think this will force sales? it's not like they have a monopoly on mobo production. Why would anyone go from a MSI mobo to another MSI mobo after this shit.

 

[thomaskoelln]

Counting on ASRock not to do the same.

 

[Lindatje]

Part of the issue is, the VRMs on MSIs complete x370 lineup is garbage.

what kind of problems can you expect with bad VRMs?

 

[kastriot]

Greed..greed never changes.

 

[R-T-B]

what kind of problems can you expect with bad VRMs?

For the 8core Ryzens they are adaquate and the worst you'll suffer is bad OC results, but with more cores / power draw, they could physically fail ruining the board... I'd watch the VRM temps if you ever get more than what we presently have.