Samsung Not Working on 970 Pro NVMe SSD in 2 TB Capacities In Contrast to Retailer Leaks

[Raevenlord]

Update: April 29, 2019: A representative on behalf of Samsung contacted us to let us know that the company has not released a 2 TB version of the 970 Pro, and has no current plans to do so either. It appears that the retail leaks were not accurate after all. The original story is below for records.

A year after it has introduced the first versions of its 970 Pro NVMe SSD, Samsung is finally updating its lineup with a 2 TB SKU. Previous generation models always saw a 2 TB solution being made available, so the absence of such a model in the 970 Pro series was a bit amiss.

Two webshops (one German, one Chinese) have already listed the part with its own SKU number, so it really is incoming to the worldwide market. If you're looking for a solid storage option that replaces a hard-drive in terms of storage density, this could be the one for you. A price around the €940 mark is likely to be close to the actual number.



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[kastriot]

For that price it should have 20TB capacity.

 

[trog100]

i just bought a 1 tb none pro version (evo) for £200 quid.. just to see if games loaded any quicker.. they dont to be honest.. he he

i also bought a 2 tb normal sata ssd to go in a dell precision laptop.. that cost about £200..

the 2 tb 970 pro does seem a tad expensive..

trog

 

[kastriot]

i just bought a 1 tb none pro version (evo) for £200 quid.. just to see if games loaded any quicker.. they dont to be honest.. he he

i also bought a 2 tb normal sata ssd to go in a dell precision laptop.. that cost about £200..

the 2 tb 970 pro does seem a tad expensive..

trog

That's too expensive man 2TB ssd should cost max 120-130 pounds.

 

[yjjddpizza]

Well I would say this is not the real price, most likely a placeholder. (8888 is a lucky number in China used when teasing a new product)

 

[bonehead123]

Here is the 1TB model on da 'Zon for $374, so hopefully the 2TB will be along shortly at around $550-ish or so..

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PCI-...+Pro+NVMe+SSD&qid=1556289236&s=gateway&sr=8-4

 

[trog100]

That's too expensive man 2TB ssd should cost max 120-130 pounds.

its impossible to say what something "should" cost.. but 4 years ago i paid £400 for a T tb ssd drive.. now they can be had for around £100..

trog

 

[svan71]

970 pro prices are simply not worth it.

 

[bug]

its impossible to say what something "should" cost.. but 4 years ago i paid £400 for a T tb ssd drive.. now they can be had for around £100..

trog

No, it's not impossible. We just have to look at Amazon to see 2TB SATA SSDs can already be had for $300 or less. Add how much of a premium NVMe is worth to you and you get a pretty good approximation.

 

[trog100]

No, it's not impossible. We just have to look at Amazon to see 2TB SATA SSDs can already be had for $300 or less. Add how much of a premium NVMe is worth to you and you get a pretty good approximation.

as i said earlier i just paid £200 for a 1TB 970 evo nvme drive and £200 quid for a 2TB sata type ssd..

thats what they are worth to me but that has f=ck all to do with what they should cost..

trog

 

[Arctucas]

Crazy... I recently picked up a XPG (ADATA) SX8200 1TB NVMe for $169.

 

[bug]

as i said earlier i just paid £200 for a 1TB 970 evo nvme drive and £200 quid for a 2TB sata type ssd..

thats what they are worth to me but that has f=ck all to do with what they should cost..

trog

The rule of thumb is they should cost as much as people are willing to pay. Any higher than that and they start collecting dust on the proverbial shelf

 

[junglist724]

That's too expensive man 2TB ssd should cost max 120-130 pounds.

as i said earlier i just paid £200 for a 1TB 970 evo nvme drive and £200 quid for a 2TB sata type ssd..

thats what they are worth to me but that has f=ck all to do with what they should cost..

trog

There's more to an ssd than just capacity. There's latency, iops, and throughput at various queue depths and most importantly(to the price): write endurance. The cheaper 970 evo and sx8200 ssds mentioned in this thread are only rated at .3-.35 dwpd instead of the .6 dwpd of the 970 Pro. Something extreme like a 1.6TB toshiba SAS(not even as fast as nvme) ssd with a whopping 10 dwpd will cost ~2000 GBP. If you don't know what that even means then this is not the drive for you.

These prosumer drives are for real write intensive work(the product is called the 970 Pro, not the 970 RBG GAMER 1337 edition) like hours video of rendering every day, multiple heavily used databases or virtual machines, not storing games... These are the type of workloads that will annihilate an ordinary consumer ssd before the expected warranty period is up. Plus those warranty periods are usually defined as X number of years OR X number of TB written, whichever comes first.

 

[king of swag187]

That's too expensive man 2TB ssd should cost max 120-130 pounds.

"should" but don't

 

[trog100]

There's more to an ssd than just capacity. There's latency, iops, and throughput at various queue depths and most importantly(to the price): write endurance. The cheaper 970 evo and sx8200 ssds mentioned in this thread are only rated at .3-.35 dwpd instead of the .6 dwpd of the 970 Pro. Something extreme like a 1.6TB toshiba SAS(not even as fast as nvme) ssd with a whopping 10 dwpd will cost ~2000 GBP. If you don't know what that even means then this is not the drive for you.

These prosumer drives are for real write intensive work(the product is called the 970 Pro, not the 970 RBG GAMER 1337 edition) like hours video of rendering every day, multiple heavily used databases or virtual machines, not storing games... These are the type of workloads that will annihilate an ordinary consumer ssd before the expected warranty period is up. Plus those warranty periods are usually defined as X number of years OR X number of TB written, whichever comes first.

most casual users wont need the expensive pro versions of any of these drives.. and of course such things cost more.. the evo is plenty good enough for me..

trog

 

[bug]

most casual users wont need the expensive pro versions of any of these drives.. and of course such things cost more.. the evo is plenty good enough for me..

trog

While I agree with you evo is plenty for home usage, it's still worth mentioning endurance for the few that actually do write intensive stuff. Photo, video editing would benefit greatly from SSD's sequential transfer rates, but at the same time will wreak havoc with SSD's endurance.
Also, QLC drives (not the case here) take endurance to new lows

 

[trog100]

While I agree with you evo is plenty for home usage, it's still worth mentioning endurance for the few that actually do write intensive stuff. Photo, video editing would benefit greatly from SSD's sequential transfer rates, but at the same time will wreak havoc with SSD's endurance.
Also, QLC drives (not the case here) take endurance to new lows

i have seen estimates of how long the evo ones last.. its f-cking years.. dont create problems where none exist..

trog

 

[bug]

i have seen estimates of how long the evo ones last.. its f-cking years.. dont create problems where none exist..

trog

Again, under normal circumstances, that's true. But start editing 4k video and writing 10TB+ a day and they suddenly don't last as long. A 2TB 860 EVO is rated for 1,200TBW. If you write 10TB a day, that's 120 days life span. If 1,200TBW is a conservative figure and the drives lasts 3x as long, we're still talking one year.
And again, absolutely not a problem, very few people use their SDDs (or even HDDs) like that. But for those that do, imho the things need to be mentioned. Not as a warning, but as a reference.

PS I wish XPoint would take off, those things have write endurance that make write endurance not worth mentioning
PPS And I just remembered I need to look for a 2TB SDD to kick my last mechanical drive out of the case.

 

[Nihilus]

2 TB of nvme ssd seems a bit much. I have a 512nvme m.2 and that is more than enough for all my programs for a long time. All my videos, pictures and game are stored on a large ssd which is plenty fast and an nvme will not matter for that. I actually prefer having my programs on a separate drive.

 

[jebtang]

The 8888 RMB is not right, the price on taobao.com is 3999 RMB.

 

[bug]

2 TB of nvme ssd seems a bit much. I have a 512nvme m.2 and that is more than enough for all my programs for a long time. All my videos, pictures and game are stored on a large ssd which is plenty fast and an nvme will not matter for that. I actually prefer having my programs on a separate drive.

While it is poor judgement to gauge other people's needs based on your own, yes, media that takes up most of the storage space doesn't need speedy access. Hell, the media can sit very well on a mechanical drive it they didn't take so damn long to wake up from sleep.
When you're on a budget, knowing these things can make or break a build.