• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD's Zen 2 Threadripper Conspicuously Absent From Company's Latest Roadmaps

Raevenlord

News Editor
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
3,755 (1.25/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name The Ryzening
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard MSI X570 MAG TOMAHAWK
Cooling Lian Li Galahad 360mm AIO
Memory 32 GB G.Skill Trident Z F4-3733 (4x 8 GB)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 3070 Ti
Storage Boot: Transcend MTE220S 2TB, Kintson A2000 1TB, Seagate Firewolf Pro 14 TB
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG270UP (1440p 144 Hz IPS)
Case Lian Li O11DX Dynamic White
Audio Device(s) iFi Audio Zen DAC
Power Supply Seasonic Focus+ 750 W
Mouse Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L
Keyboard Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L
Software Windows 10 x64
We've all taken a look at AMD's March 2019 product roadmap, which showed us the upcoming 2019 tech the company would be bringing to the table in its "non-stop product momentum". However, it seems that this non-stop product momentum might be coming to an unexpected twist of fate that might delay it from entering the last station - the Zen 2-based Threadripper. In the company's latest May earnings call roadmap, the company silently removed the Zen 2 Threadripper from its product roadmap - where it used to sit right after the launch of Zen 2-based Ryzen products for consumers, is now just a big crop of the space it occupied.

This might mean many things, and a mistake on someone's part while cropping the PowerPoint slide could be the only thing going on here. However, the best and most plausible speculation that can be entertained when one considers this is simple - a supply problem. With the 7 nm node being the newest, most dense fabrication process possible, and with AMD having to share TSMC's 7 nm wafer production with a number of high profile companies - such as Qualcomm, for instance - may mean that supply is simply too tight to support Zen 2-based products across so many product stacks - Ryzen and Epyc - at the same time.





Perhaps AMD has delayed manufacturing of Threadripper Zen 2 products until after the initial bout of sales from their upcoming Ryzen 3000 series CPUs fades away, while also allowing for yields to mature and production wrinkles to be ironed out. It would definitely make sense, as Threadripper is definitely the product to cut in such a case - it doesn't carry as much of an impact on AMD's financials and outlook as a deficient Epyc production would bring, and doesn't get in the way of Ryzen 3000 series production to keep on AMD's momentum against Intel's offerings. This definitely does seem like a smart path for AMD to undertake, though it really is a shame that we seemingly won't be looking at a halo product such as the latest gen Threadripper as soon as we thought we might.

View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
41,886 (6.61/day)
Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
They Delayed Threadripper with Zen 1
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
41,886 (6.61/day)
Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
2,258 (0.39/day)
System Name Budget AMD System
Processor Threadripper 1900X @ 4.1Ghz (100x41 @ 1.3250V)
Motherboard Gigabyte X399 Aorus Gaming 7
Cooling EKWB X399 Monoblock
Memory 4x8GB GSkill TridentZ RGB 14-14-14-32 CR1 @ 3266
Video Card(s) XFX Radeon RX Vega₆⁴ Liquid @ 1,800Mhz Core, 1025Mhz HBM2
Storage 1x ADATA SX8200 NVMe, 1x Segate 2.5" FireCuda 2TB SATA, 1x 500GB HGST SATA
Display(s) Vizio 22" 1080p 60hz TV (Samsung Panel)
Case Corsair 570X
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic X Series 850W KM3
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
Well, they should still try and get it out before the holiday shopping season. Oct-November if possible.
 
Joined
Mar 23, 2016
Messages
4,841 (1.54/day)
Processor Core i7-13700
Motherboard MSI Z790 Gaming Plus WiFi
Cooling Cooler Master RGB something
Memory Corsair DDR5-6000 small OC to 6200
Video Card(s) XFX Speedster SWFT309 AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT CORE Gaming
Storage 970 EVO NVMe M.2 500GB,,WD850N 2TB
Display(s) Samsung 28” 4K monitor
Case Phantek Eclipse P400S
Audio Device(s) EVGA NU Audio
Power Supply EVGA 850 BQ
Mouse Logitech G502 Hero
Keyboard Logitech G G413 Silver
Software Windows 11 Professional v23H2
Or Ryzen 3x00 is packing 16/12 cores so Threadripper isn't needed right away?
 
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
3,595 (1.18/day)
Limited 7nm supply, lack of demand, extremely low-volume product.
TR is something they should make from surplus EPYC dies, but I doubt there are many. The 7nm supply may not be enough to make all the EPYCs they'd like to sell.

Also, why not unify under the EPYC brand?
If AMD makes workstation EPYCs on Zen2 (which is probable), they'd be selling 2 almost identical product lines: one with enterprise certification and one with a silly box.
 
Joined
Jul 18, 2017
Messages
575 (0.22/day)
I skipped TR altogether due to its weakness as a HEDT product (weak overclockability and gaming). Zen 2 TR needs to be significantly better at those areas like Skylake-X was at providing a great all-around performance.
 
Joined
Sep 14, 2018
Messages
46 (0.02/day)
Location
Kazakhstan
WTH do you mean BS, are you entitled to a product line which is premium ~ takes time to develop, not to mention is a direct competitor to EPYC line in some segments :rolleyes:

If you're so hung up on 7nm TR why don't you go buy that factory OCed W3175x @3K & get the MB costing a mere $1.5K:nutkick:
It's a niche product that the general market does not need or care about not to mention OEMs. Also for the time being current 2nd gen. Threadripper platform works just fine againt Intel's current offering in the HEDT segment.
AMD needs market share in the server / HPC market and I wouldn't blame them if they shift product allocation into their Rome line-up and the rest to go around for the desktop market.

What I lovingly have about the tech community is that every hardware news or product release must be turned into a foaming mouth pissing contest...
That's a thing I am talking about. Almost every article has comments against Nvidia, Intel, Microsoft!
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
8,195 (2.18/day)
Location
SE Michigan
System Name Dumbass
Processor AMD Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF gaming B650
Cooling Artic Liquid Freezer 2 - 420mm
Memory G.Skill Sniper 32gb DDR5 6000
Video Card(s) GreenTeam 4070 ti super 16gb
Storage Samsung EVO 500gb & 1Tb, 2tb HDD, 500gb WD Black
Display(s) 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9)
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans
Audio Device(s) onboard (realtek?) - SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1
Power Supply Corsair HX1000i
Mouse Steeseries Esports Wireless
Keyboard Corsair K100
Software windows 10 H
Benchmark Scores https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2
I skipped TR altogether due to its weakness as a HEDT product (weak overclockability and gaming). Zen 2 TR needs to be significantly better at those areas like Skylake-X was at providing a great all-around performance.
too funny ... weak... :roll::roll::roll:
 
Joined
Jul 18, 2017
Messages
575 (0.22/day)
What's funny, AMD fanboy?! Your shitty 32 core Threadrupper can't even beat 18 core Intel Core i9-9980XE. That's funny!!! Enthusiasts buy Intel HEDT CPUs because they care about performance!
I only buy based on performance and not brand names. TR was too much of a compromise that it’s hard to even call it HEDT. It’s more like a workstation-LITE than HEDT.
 
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
4,930 (0.75/day)
Location
Hong Kong
Processor Core i7-12700k
Motherboard Z690 Aero G D4
Cooling Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad
Video Card(s) RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming
Storage Plextor M10P 2TB
Display(s) InnoCN 27M2V
Case Thermaltake Level 20 XT
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
Power Supply FSP Aurum PT 1200W
Software Windows 11 Pro 64-bit
That's a thing I am talking about. Almost every article has comments against Nvidia, Intel, Microsoft!
Okay, so you own shares in those companies?
Or does it hurt your feelings?
There are plenty of people who dislike the AMD 50th products as well.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Feb 11, 2009
Messages
5,540 (0.96/day)
System Name Cyberline
Processor Intel Core i7 2600k -> 12600k
Motherboard Asus P8P67 LE Rev 3.0 -> Gigabyte Z690 Auros Elite DDR4
Cooling Tuniq Tower 120 -> Custom Watercoolingloop
Memory Corsair (4x2) 8gb 1600mhz -> Crucial (8x2) 16gb 3600mhz
Video Card(s) AMD RX480 -> RX7800XT
Storage Samsung 750 Evo 250gb SSD + WD 1tb x 2 + WD 2tb -> 2tb MVMe SSD
Display(s) Philips 32inch LPF5605H (television) -> Dell S3220DGF
Case antec 600 -> Thermaltake Tenor HTCP case
Audio Device(s) Focusrite 2i4 (USB)
Power Supply Seasonic 620watt 80+ Platinum
Mouse Elecom EX-G
Keyboard Rapoo V700
Software Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Could we get a mod to delete some of these comments? its embarrassing tbh.
 
Joined
Mar 30, 2011
Messages
979 (0.20/day)
Processor 12100
Video Card(s) 1650 Super
Case Coolermaster Ammo 533
Mouse G403
Keyboard Sidewinder x4
One would hope that a forum could exist without someone stirring up hatred but there's always one. Brand loyalty makes no sense. These are corporations with one goal. They don't care about you.
 
Joined
May 6, 2019
Messages
84 (0.04/day)
Location
Alps (Bozen,Italia)
System Name Generic
Processor Ryzen5-3200G
Motherboard A300
Cooling Noctua
Memory 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) APU
Storage NVME PM981
Display(s) Eizo, HP, NEC
Software Mac, Windows 7+Ubuntu22.04
I'd certainly like to see the impact of Zen2 with Pci@Gen.4 on X570 MoBo first ... Threadripper seems such a premium product to me that whenever i would buy one i would like to be certain that it is an investment that is made to last for a long time, e.g. with most up-to-date features already on-board and also to some extend future-proof-ready.
 
Joined
Feb 3, 2017
Messages
3,728 (1.32/day)
Processor Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 CL36 (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5)
Video Card(s) INNO3D GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER TWIN X2
Storage 2TB Samsung 980 PRO, 4TB WD Black SN850X
Display(s) 42" LG C2 OLED, 27" ASUS PG279Q
Case Thermaltake Core P5
Power Supply Fractal Design Ion+ Platinum 760W
Mouse Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE
Keyboard Corsair K100 RGB
VR HMD HTC Vive Cosmos
Is there a need for Threadripper? According to current state of leaks and assumptions, Ryzen 3000 will go up to 16 cores which would cut deeply into the already niche Threadripper. Yes, there will always be uses cases for 4 memory channels and 128 PCI-e lanes but will that justify keeping another platform?
 
Joined
Feb 11, 2009
Messages
5,540 (0.96/day)
System Name Cyberline
Processor Intel Core i7 2600k -> 12600k
Motherboard Asus P8P67 LE Rev 3.0 -> Gigabyte Z690 Auros Elite DDR4
Cooling Tuniq Tower 120 -> Custom Watercoolingloop
Memory Corsair (4x2) 8gb 1600mhz -> Crucial (8x2) 16gb 3600mhz
Video Card(s) AMD RX480 -> RX7800XT
Storage Samsung 750 Evo 250gb SSD + WD 1tb x 2 + WD 2tb -> 2tb MVMe SSD
Display(s) Philips 32inch LPF5605H (television) -> Dell S3220DGF
Case antec 600 -> Thermaltake Tenor HTCP case
Audio Device(s) Focusrite 2i4 (USB)
Power Supply Seasonic 620watt 80+ Platinum
Mouse Elecom EX-G
Keyboard Rapoo V700
Software Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Is there a need for Threadripper? According to current state of leaks and assumptions, Ryzen 3000 will go up to 16 cores which would cut deeply into the already niche Threadripper. Yes, there will always be uses cases for 4 memory channels and 128 PCI-e lanes but will that justify keeping another platform?

thats honestly why I think they are holding off on threadripper for now
 
Joined
May 2, 2017
Messages
7,762 (2.83/day)
Location
Back in Norway
System Name Hotbox
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6),
Motherboard ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax
Cooling LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14
Memory 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15
Video Card(s) PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W
Storage 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro
Display(s) Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary
Case SSUPD Meshlicious
Audio Device(s) Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps
Software Windows 10 Pro
Looks quite conspicuously as a "it's no longer in 2019" situation. Placement at the end and without a time frame in the first slide indicates vague end-of-year timing to begin with, and the removal doesn't have to mean anything beyond a delay of a couple of months - either to build up sufficient stock or to allow prioritization of MSDT and server SKUs. After all, both 8-die and 4-die TR would eat up a lot of silicon per unit, which means either lost sales (consumer) or lost margins (server), particularly if they are to continue the "TR has the best-binned chips" policy. Given that Zen 2 is also "delayed" by a couple of months compared to previous launches (though not enough to matter), I don't see this as a problem. Waiting half a year for the highest-end products is not a problem.
 
Joined
Jun 19, 2010
Messages
409 (0.08/day)
Location
Germany
Processor Ryzen 5600X
Motherboard MSI A520
Cooling Thermalright ARO-M14 orange
Memory 2x 8GB 3200
Video Card(s) RTX 3050 (ROG Strix Bios)
Storage SATA SSD
Display(s) UltraHD TV
Case Sharkoon AM5 Window red
Audio Device(s) Headset
Power Supply beQuiet 400W
Mouse Mountain Makalu 67
Keyboard MS Sidewinder X4
Software Windows, Vivaldi, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, Games, etc.
TR Gen.3 had no date related data on slide of march, so the may 2019 slide could be just a zoomed-in view to hide the now internally known launch-window for TR Gen.3
 
Joined
Jul 9, 2015
Messages
3,413 (1.00/day)
System Name M3401 notebook
Processor 5600H
Motherboard NA
Memory 16GB
Video Card(s) 3050
Storage 500GB SSD
Display(s) 14" OLED screen of the laptop
Software Windows 10
Benchmark Scores 3050 scores good 15-20% lower than average, despite ASUS's claims that it has uber cooling.
EPYC being in high demand might be the reason.
It's a beast with 8 chiplets:

 
Joined
Feb 15, 2019
Messages
1,652 (0.79/day)
System Name Personal Gaming Rig
Processor Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard MSI X670E Carbon
Cooling MO-RA 3 420
Memory 32GB 6000MHz
Video Card(s) RTX 4090 ICHILL FROSTBITE ULTRA
Storage 4x 2TB Nvme
Display(s) Samsung G8 OLED
Case Silverstone FT04
I don't see any problem.
TR always be few months behind the main release.
Same as no one is surprised about 3200G being a 12nm Zen+ product instead of 7nm.
 
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Messages
5,731 (1.08/day)
Location
West Midlands. UK.
System Name Ryzen Reynolds
Processor Ryzen 1600 - 4.0Ghz 1.415v - SMT disabled
Motherboard mATX Asrock AB350m AM4
Cooling Raijintek Leto Pro
Memory Vulcan T-Force 16GB DDR4 3000 16.18.18 @3200Mhz 14.17.17
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ 4GB RX 580 - 1450/2000 BIOS mod 8-)
Storage Seagate B'cuda 1TB/Sandisk 128GB SSD
Display(s) Acer ED242QR 75hz Freesync
Case Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-01
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair VS 550w
Mouse Zalman ZM-M401R
Keyboard Razor Lycosa
Software Windows 10 x64
Benchmark Scores https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6220813
Wow what happened in here, its like an anti amd sausage fest... The usual suspects plus a few new faces all stroking each others Intel epeens... Bye
 
Joined
Dec 15, 2016
Messages
630 (0.22/day)
Wow what happened in here, its like an anti amd sausage fest... The usual suspects plus a few new faces all stroking each others Intel epeens... Bye

More like the whole forum is an anti Intel + Nvidia sausage fest. That´s how TpU is known nowadays on every forum. Go check every Intel or Nvidia article comments section and surprise yourself.
 
Top