ARM Revokes Huawei's Chip IP Licence

[kapone32]

But when Huawei supposedly collects data the end of the world begins... great.
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The major difference between those companies is that both Microsoft and Facebook were in markets that their governments did not appreciate the dangers of until it was too late. The problem with Huawei is that the data collection is done at the hardware level and goes right back to the manufacturer. Just like the data that Snodden released on the States put a shudder in Western countries' to ban 5G from Huawei. Not because they are Huawei but because they are a Chinese company that has official and unofficial ties to the government. China is trying very hard to take over the world.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Microsoft creates a criminal monopoly, obliges to use the problematic software (W10) and still steals our data. Facebook does the same... And no one goes to war.

But when Huawei supposedly collects data the end of the world begins... great.

Excellent points. However, you can choose to not use Windows on a PC(generally) and choose not to use Facebook on any platform. If you buy a Huawei device, the spying mechanism's are embedded in the hardware and can not be removed with a custom firmware. This is what is completely unacceptable and why they are being banned. The EU may not have "found" reasons to support the ban, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

 

[R-T-B]

While Android supports MIPS, there are problems with ARM native code which most Android devices run on. Couple that with the fact that Google has banned new devices from the Play store and it's game over for them. FDroid and Aptoide are good and have a lot of great apps, but are no replacements for the official Play store.

I think they'll just develop a China-specific store of their own. As I said, not fully convinced they will die, but they'll be regionalized at least.

there are problems with ARM native code which most Android devices run on.

Elaborate? What's native that's not ARM chipset specific? Certainly not the kernel.

 

[Bill_Bright]

As the trade war between the US and China continues to unfold, we are seeing major US companies ban or stop providing service to China's technology giant Huawei.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the trade war! The cyber-security issues with Huawei go back years - long before Trump went into office.

Microsoft creates a criminal monopoly

Gee whiz. Can't any news be reported without some body bashing Microsoft for it?

My peanut butter is smooth. It was supposed to be crunchy. Those crooks at Microsoft must be controlling Peter Pan.
It rained this morning but the weather said it was not supposed to rain until tonight. Microsoft must be blackmailing the National Weather Service.

 

[kapone32]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the trade war! The cyber-security issues with Huawei go back years - long before Trump went into office.
Gee whiz. Can't any news be reported without some body bashing Microsoft for it?

My peanut butter is smooth. It was supposed to be crunchy. Those crooks at Microsoft must be controlling Peter Pan.
It rained this morning but the weather said it was not supposed to rain until tonight. Microsoft must be blackmailing the National Weather Service.

Agreed in no way did Microsoft create a monopoly Linux has always been available as an alternative. If it was a criminal then Google and Apple would have been sued for making clones of MS Office.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Agreed in no way did Microsoft create a monopoly Linux has always been available as an alternative. If it was a criminal then Google and Apple would have been sued for making clones of MS Office.

While I agree, that is not the point at all for my comment either. The point is, Microsoft has absolutely nothing to do with these Huawei security issues or with the US and other free-world governments banning their products.

 

[kapone32]

While I agree, that is not the point at all for my comment either. The point is, Microsoft has absolutely nothing to do with these Huawei security issues or with the US and other free-world governments banning their products.

Understood I was just supporting your comment to Dante

 

[Shihab]

Careful what you wish for. When the CPC becomes more dominant than the US, I think you will see a whole different dimension of monopoly.

You certainly will, China is out for no one but itself in the end and that's been their goal and endgame for a very long time. If you honestly believe China woudn't make every attempt to take over and control things in your part of the world you really are blind. It's what they've been doing, not in what they say or promise because that speaks louder than any words spoken over it.

China only keeps agreements as long as it suits them to, this pattern has been repeated over and over again which in itself proves what they really have in mind. Actions in the Yellow Sea by building those "Islands" to assume more direct control over it is yet another example of just how agressive towards this end they are. Everyone that's not part of China itself is an adversary in their eyes like it or not - Expect them to play fair, ain't happening.
I have to say in all fairness the US and others aren't innocent either, that's just the truth but the overall means and goal of such is something that matters to everyone no matter where you are.

I can assure you once China gets it's claws into your system and takes over you'll change your mind.....That is if you're not part of it yourself and if you're not, you are a problem to be solved.
And they will solve it if at all possible by any means required of them.

Who said anything about domination? We should avoid this false dilemma. I'm hoping for the threat to monopolies that is "alternatives."

But if we entertained, for the sake of argument, the idea of the CPC helming things, for Africans at least, the differences are either insignificant or giving points to the Chinese (if we took things at face value without reading much into the subject). Between pumping cash into economies (even though in many cases it ends up in some warlord/dictator's pockets), building dams and other large constructions (even though some tend to come with their bugs >_>), providing much cheaper equipment and electronics, and of course not being "the white guy" (which, surprisingely still works with some people here). The Chinese are building the PR game well.

 

[Bones]

Nothing false about it - That's what they want and working towards.
Their actions in the past and even now proves it as fact, not fiction or conspiracy and I'm not going to close my eyes and pretend the threat isn't there.
Just ask the Japanese about them.

Economic domination is one thing and it can be achieved in part by stealing data to undermine the tech industry of a competitor, boosting one's own economy at the expense of the other.
Perhaps where you are the impact is probrably neglegible at worst and I do agree, alot of income would fall into a warlord's pocket or something, that I cannot refute.

I'm also not saying Sudan's relationship with them at this time is bad, it's just you're not the ones they are really after right now but just wait - Once they see an opportunity they will take advantage of it.

Establishing a trade monopoly is one way and they are infamous for not playing by the rules (Or any) truth be known.
All I'm saying is regardless, to keep one eye open and on them at all times or pay the price because they are indeed playing the PR game well and it's not to lose.

 

[phanbuey]

"In line with the traditional concept that the emperor of the Middle Kingdom was the rightful ruler of “tian xia” (天下), everything under the heavens...."

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7ab1/3108b384a666cc4df192aac153214c981801.pdf

"Take intellectual property, for example. The United States seems to have hard evidence that it was the policy of Huawei, a flagship Chinese high-tech company, to reward employees for I.P. theft. And, as I have written before, such a policy is encouraged, arguably even mandatory, under China’s 2017 National Intelligence Law. "
- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/opinion/xi-trump-trade-war-china-leadership.html

What The Huawei Indictment Says About How China Steals Technology

NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with Mark Cohen, senior fellow with the Berkeley Center for Law & Technology, about what the Huawei indictment says about China's technology theft.

www.npr.org

 

[Bill_Bright]

This has nothing to do with IP either. The ban is all about cyberwarfare - especially against military assets.

From my local news a couple days ago: Nebraska cell towers contain equipment from Chinese company accused of spying

 

[Shihab]

Nothing false about it - That's what they want and working towards.

Isn't everyone? Why should I -and practically half the world- as a third party, count this against the CPC alone? We could play this whatabout game forever, and I'm pretty sure neither of us would have shortage of cases and incidents to back their arguments with.

Establishing a trade monopoly is one way and they are infamous for not playing by the rules (Or any) truth be known.

There are no rules. At least, there are no globally accepted rules. There are US-centric ones that everyone either plays by or gets added to the sanctions list, which, because of the afore mentioned monopoly, means getting cut off the entire market.
Again, you're missing the point. I wasn't fantasizing about a market dominated by the Chinese no more than I'm for the status quo. I want to see tech market where access cannot be held ransom at the whims of one state's foreign policy.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The EU may not have "found" reasons to support the ban, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

At least the Netherlands, Germany, and UK are mulling it over. They only reason why they're acting much slower than USA is because the cost is significantly greater. USA doesn't have a very strong Huawei presence because telcos (except small rural ones like Bill_Bright pointed out) generally didn't consider the risks worth the savings.

UK, I know, said they've not reached a decision yet as of May 16.

I want to see tech market where access cannot be held ransom at the whims of one state's foreign policy.

It's technically domestic policy (ban on US entities doing transactions with companies on the entity list) but USA's reach is long so it spills over into foreign as a function of enforcing domestic.

 

[OSdevr]

ARM might be based in the UK, but it is now own by SoftBank which is a Japanese company.
It is not like a country that had been nuked twice by the USA, and still has US military base and an entire Carrier Strike Group station there would say no to Trump.

Are you seriously suggesting that the US would go to war with Japan if ARM didn't dump China?! Not only does Japan want the US there Trump himself has fought to get the US out of the region and let Japan build their own army again.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Softbank (owner of ARM Holdings) itself has delayed the launch of at least one Huawei phone on Y!mobile (Japanese carrier):

SoftBank brand Ymobile to delay launch of Huawei P30 Lite phone

Japanese telco SoftBank Corp's low-cost mobile brand Ymobile said on Wednesday it would delay the launch of Huawei P30 Lite smartphone, following the imposition of trade restrictions on the Chinese manufacturer by Washington.

www.reuters.com

...let Japan build their own army again.

POTUS not relevant. Japan did it in response to China manuvers beginning in early 2014.


In related news:

Trump says 'dangerous' Huawei could be included in U.S.-China trade deal

President Donald Trump said on Thursday U.S. complaints against Huawei Technologies Co Ltd might be resolved within the framework of a U.S.-China trade deal, while at the same time calling the Chinese telecommunications giant "very dangerous."

www.reuters.com

ZTE brought China to the trade talks table and Trump may be hoping to seal the deal using Huawei in the bargain. Huawei will probably get a treatment similar to ZTE if it is done (fines, forced change of board of directors, severing the company from China government, etc.).

 

[OSdevr]

Softbank (owner of ARM Holdings) itself has delayed the launch of at least one Huawei phone on Y!mobile (Japanese carrier):

SoftBank brand Ymobile to delay launch of Huawei P30 Lite phone

Japanese telco SoftBank Corp's low-cost mobile brand Ymobile said on Wednesday it would delay the launch of Huawei P30 Lite smartphone, following the imposition of trade restrictions on the Chinese manufacturer by Washington.

www.reuters.com

POTUS not relevant. Japan did it in response to China manuvers beginning in early 2014.


In related news:

Trump says 'dangerous' Huawei could be included in U.S.-China trade deal

President Donald Trump said on Thursday U.S. complaints against Huawei Technologies Co Ltd might be resolved within the framework of a U.S.-China trade deal, while at the same time calling the Chinese telecommunications giant "very dangerous."

www.reuters.com

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this.

 

[Dante Uchiha]

But when Huawei supposedly collects data the end of the world begins... great.

The major difference between those companies is that both Microsoft and Facebook were in markets that their governments did not appreciate the dangers of until it was too late. The problem with Huawei is that the data collection is done at the hardware level and goes right back to the manufacturer. Just like the data that Snodden released on the States put a shudder in Western countries' to ban 5G from Huawei. Not because they are Huawei but because they are a Chinese company that has official and unofficial ties to the government. China is trying very hard to take over the world.
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Excellent points. However, you can choose to not use Windows on a PC(generally) and choose not to use Facebook on any platform. If you buy a Huawei device, the spying mechanism's are embedded in the hardware and can not be removed with a custom firmware. This is what is completely unacceptable and why they are being banned. The EU may not have "found" reasons to support the ban, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

Source? Was that proven? This all sounds like a war of egos...

Agreed in no way did Microsoft create a monopoly Linux has always been available as an alternative. If it was a criminal then Google and Apple would have been sued for making clones of MS Office.

Linux is a good alternative, but it has its limitations. Using it means restricting yourself to a small range of software and games.
Not even the giant Apple can replace windows OS...

 

[lexluthermiester]

This all sounds like a war of information...

Corrected that for you.

Are you seriously suggesting that the US would go to war with Japan if ARM didn't dump China?

No, he's not. Let's not have drama.

 

[xkm1948]

Lots of these comments makes me realize how easy the media has made it to "guide" the consensus opinion of general public, even for members on tech forums who "supposedly" have a bit better thinking capability.(Or maybe not, flash back to all the crazy fanboy flame wars on forum) Think critically, not just taking everything as told by media. Look at both sides of the coin, or in this case research both sides of the trade war.

Oh well, at the end of the day sensationalism still wins I guess.

 

[R-T-B]

Oh well, at the end of the day sensationalism still wins I guess.

Pretty much. Being smart by it's nature is kind of an exclusive club. It's by it's nature an elevation above average. If everyone was smart no one would be.

...

Wow, I just basically quoted The Incredibles from Pixar. This has me seriously wondering which group I belong too...

 

[xkm1948]

Pretty much. Being smart by it's nature is kind of an exclusive club. It's by it's nature an elevation above average. If everyone was smart no one would be.

...

Wow, I just basically quoted The Incredibles from Pixar. This has me seriously wondering which group I belong too...

You belong to the frog folks, duh

 

[Zubasa]

Are you seriously suggesting that the US would go to war with Japan if ARM didn't dump China?! Not only does Japan want the US there Trump himself has fought to get the US out of the region and let Japan build their own army again.

Oh no, there is no need for the US to do that.
The Japanese government knows who they must align to.
Physically going to war is the "last centuries" thing to do.

 

[Bill_Bright]

and let Japan build their own army again.

Huh?

Come on! Homework people!

Just two minutes with Google would show the Japanese Armed Forces (AKA: Japan Self-Defense Forces) is the 4th most-powerful military in the world in conventional capabilities! They have the eighth largest budget! And nobody is stopping them from building it any bigger. Nor is anyone stopping them from going nuclear, other than their own constitution - which of course, they could change.

Trump himself has fought to get the US out of the region

Yeah, against the advice of all his foreign affairs and military advisors, and our allies! Who really wants us out of the region? Russia, China and North Korea, of course.

 

[dorsetknob]

Side note POTUS never Saw Military Service So has little understanding of Military needs (apart from which Base's need a Golf Course)

 

[R-T-B]

You belong to the frog folks, duh

Let's go with "Super Frog Villians"