Intel 2019 Computex Keynote: Live Blog

[Mamya3084]

So....any new technology? Pcie4? NVME raid for regular user?

 

[nemesis.ie]

I was thinking the KY was for a well known brand of medical lubricant ...

 

[Moofachuka]

More knee jerk reactions

 

[HimymCZe]

That's too funny, Intel announces that it has new products coming, reveals zero details...
Best paper launch ever...

They are so desperate to tell people to wait for something they don’t even know is coming.
I have absolutely zero pity on Intel’s situations, this is a consequence they have spent over 6 years, essentially since Sandy Bridge, building up.

We wish it was "just" 6 years... It's more like 12; since first Core2Quad Intel is basically selling same product with little to none IPC "free-gain" due to shrinkage.
... and like I said on Ryzen 1000/2000 lunch (on this forum too)... Intel just lost a battle to AMD Ryzen 1000/2000 "watterguns", now AMD pulls out the BFG of 7nm [that everyone (expect Intel seems like) known it was coming] and will completely annihilate any remaining rivals.

... also credits to Intel-KYS edition joke 10/10 !!!

 

[ppn]

Icelake offers 18% IPC increase to Skylake with built-in mitigations so it must be good for us. only 4(8) configuration for now. 16(32) is perfectly doable now. 10nm offers 3x density of 14+++ ~~ 100 MTR/sq.mm just like 7nm, with even 24 core possible on a single chip. But will they do it soon who knows.

 

[XL-R8R]

I'm wondering why I'm watching this presentation.... I already knew Intel wouldnt have much "wow" in their keynote so theres no real point watching this mess... it somewhat reminds me of nVidia's recent RTX launch... but even that had more merit to it than this from Intel.

 

[nemesis.ie]

@ppn IL also has 20% lower clock speeds (boost) at the moment and likely lower base clocks too. The 18% uplift is against 2016 SL, not the current revision too. How the process will scale with 8+ cores is still unknown.

Does IL have mitigations for ZombieLoad, RIDL etc? If not, and you turn off HT for full protection, what does that do to the IPC?

On top of that, by the time the desktop parts appear, it's Zen 3 they will be trying to compete with.

 

[Space Lynx]

Not 3900X but 3700X. AMD show 3700X beats 9700k at single core by 1% it totally mean AMD IPC outperform Intel IPC because 3700X boost only upto 4.4 GHz meanwhile 9700K has upto 4.9 GHz turbo. AMD having lower clock speed but match Intel.

Good point, I didn't think about it like that. This bodes very well for next year, DDR5 Ram + Infinity Fabric + slightly higher clocks on 4900x / 4700x... AMD is going to see double digit IPC gains then I think.

I feel like an idiot for not investing in AMD stock when it was $1 a share 4 years ago. fml.

 

[nemesis.ie]

@lynx29

It may not be too late to get in on the stock, although buying on Friday would have been better as it's up ~10% today - Intel is down ~2%.

It hit >35 last September, today the portfolio is even better.

 

[Space Lynx]

@lynx29

It may not be too late to get in on the stock, although buying on Friday would have been better as it's up ~10% today - Intel is down ~2%.

It hit >35 last September, today the portfolio is even better.

Nah, I decided a long time ago after seeing my father go bankrupt from alcohol, and my grandfather go bankrupt from stock market failures that I would never gamble, drink, or smoke. etc.

I stack all my money now and just remind myself consistently I do not need much in life to be happy, but a little bit of financial security does make me happy. If USD ever collapses like WW1 Germany, we will have a lot more problems to worry about than a roof over our heads. So I don't bother risking anything outside of just leaving my money in my savings account.

 

[nemesis.ie]

I hope you at least get some decent interest on your savings, where I am it is ZERO %.

 

[Space Lynx]

I hope you at least get some decent interest on your savings, where I am it is ZERO %.

I get like $4-6 per month added to my account, meh lol

on-topic, lets hope the year 2021, DDR5 and such we see some amazing stuff from this competition heat up. we just have to wait a bit to see the fruition of competition. actually wasn't planning on having my laptop this long, but i might just wait until ryzen 4800x and next round of Navi before i upgrade. give AMD some more time to hammer out performance gains.

 

[HenrySomeone]

I mean new HEDT series in Fall 2019 is big news I think, this is like X-series of x299 type processors right? they probably will throw 14nm a bunch of wattage to beat out AMD at the sake of more power usage. I don't know.

but 9900k or 9700k at 5ghz prob still beats AMD in most gaming situations other than 4k. we will find out soon enough with official benches, but the mere fact I am even typing this makes me sad... really was hoping for more than 1% gains on single core performance over 9700k... Lisa Su's powerpoint showed 3900x only beats 9700k at single core by 1%... i mean its nice they can finally match intel at IPC... I just was hoping for more. /shrug

9900k, 9700k and 8700k will most likely still flat-out kill Zen2 in gaming and 9600k, 8600k and even 7700k will still beat it (except maybe in a couple most thread-heavy titles where they will be matched). I don't expect Zen to best 9000 series in gaming on anything less than 5nm EUV, which means series 5000 probably in two years...if everything goes well, lmao!

 

[Space Lynx]

9900k, 9700k and 8700k will most likely still flat-out kill Zen2 in gaming and 9600k, 8600k and even 7700k will still beat it (except maybe in a couple most thread-heavy titles where they will be matched). I don't expect Zen to best 9000 series in gaming on anything less than 5nm EUV, which means series 5000 probably in two years...if everything goes well, lmao!

at 1080p only. at 1440p it prob will be an even match now, and 4k was an even match last round. so yeah, gains for sure, but just not as much as we were hoping. still enough to get intel off their asses, so that is good. hopefully we see fruition of that in two years from now.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Relatively even match on 1440p until next Nvidia series launches...

 

[HwGeek]

What's that about?:

5 Up to 14x AI Performance Improvement with Intel® DL Boost compared to Intel® Xeon® Platinum 8180 Processor when launched (July 2017). Tested by Intel as of 2/20/2019. 2 socket Intel® Xeon® Platinum 8280 Processor, 28 cores HT On Turbo ON Total Memory 384 GB (12 slots/ 32GB/ 2933 MHz), BIOS: SE5C620.86B.0D.01.0271.120720180605 (ucode: 0x200004d), Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS, kernel 4.15.0-45-generic, SSD 1x sda INTEL SSDSC2BA80 SSD 745.2GB, nvme1n1 INTEL SSDPE2KX040T7 SSD 3.7TB, Deep Learning Framework: Intel® Optimization for Caffe version: 1.1.3 (commit hash: 7010334f159da247db3fe3a9d96a3116ca06b09a) , ICC version 18.0.1, MKL DNN version: v0.17 (commit hash: 830a10059a018cd2634d94195140cf2d8790a75a, model:https://github.com/intel/caffe/blob..._models/int8/resnet50_int8_full_conv.prototxt, BS=64, DummyData, 4 instance/2 socket, Datatype: INT8 vs Tested by Intel as of July 11th2017: 2S Intel® Xeon® Platinum 8180 CPU @ 2.50 GHz (28 cores), HT disabled, turbo disabled, scaling governor set to “performance” via intel_pstate driver, 384GB DDR4-2666 ECC RAM. CentOS Linux release 7.3.1611 (Core), Linux kernel 3.10.0-514.10.2.el7.x86_64. SSD: Intel® SSD DC S3700 Series (800GB, 2.5in SATA 6Gb/s, 25nm, MLC).Performance measured with: Environment variables: KMP_AFFINITY=’granularity=fine, compact‘, OMP_NUM_THREADS=56, CPU Freq set with cpupower frequency-set -d 2.5G -u 3.8G -g performance. Caffe: (http://github.com/intel/caffe/), revision f96b759f71b2281835f690af267158b82b150b5c. Inference measured with “caffe time –forward_only” command, training measured with “caffe time” command. For “ConvNet” topologies, dummy dataset was used. For other topologies, data was stored on local storage and cached in memory before training. Topology specs from https://github.com/intel/caffe/tree/master/models/intel_optimized_models(ResNet-50),. Intel C++ compiler ver. 17.0.2 20170213, Intel MKL small libraries version 2018.0.20170425. Caffe run with “numactl -l”.

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[Prince Valiant]

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/dlAq3dZVFwrQGcX7.jpg

Reminds me of the Voodoo box art.

utilize -> utility

I wonder what makes Athena 1.0 so special. I mean, laptops have never really had a form factor. If it is an honest form factor with part swap compatibility, Athena 1.0 could be major.

A standard FF with part swapping might eventually lead to better pricing for laptops. That'd be nice.