Leaked 3DMark Time Spy Result shows Radeon RX 5700 XT matching GeForce RTX 2070

[EarthDog]

Also, when looking at Steam HW Survey results or any general statistics like that, keep in mind that GTX1050Ti is popular in laptops

Pretty sure steam stats show mobile gpus....

Edit: ...well they show 9 series... not 10... odd.

 

[ProPain]

AMD announcement: 5% faster than 2070.
Pre-release leaks: matches 2070.
Reviews after release: ???

AMD GCN GPU's always failed in Performance/Watt ratio so damn hard - NO one is buying them anymore (do the much higher voltage power consumption). Now with Navi (RDNA = AMD PR joke = GCN+) and lacking importand RayTracing Features - all the AMD Fans will again .... wait for the next real thing from AMD = Navi20 for $199 Dollars (or max. TAM $299) with AMD's first unsecure steps on RT cores ( AMD 1st - Microsoft DXR compatile GPU ) and AMD Beta Driver Testing at Customers - btw. when will AMD Support Navi20 with real HW RTRT Features - End of 2020 ?!?

AMD Navi $449 is way to expensive - for the lacking RT Features and only GTX1070Ti / GTX1080 Custom OC Performance level - like what Nvidia offered with powerfull 16nm Pascal GPU's in 2016 !!!

AMD Industrie & Driver Support is not existing today for RTRT - like Nvidia's RTX (DXR) Industrie Standard with CUDA-X with dedicated RT & Tensor Cores in Hardware !!!
AMD DXR Hardware is not existing and more than a year and x-month away .... Lisa Su say to Analysts << We at AMD working on it >> .... ;( big ROFL - with all the AMD Marketing & RayTracing PR Stunts - few month ago !!!
AMD DXR Driver not existing - NOT for Navi (RDNA) and NOT for GCN Vega / Vega20 Rebrandeon (7nm) .... even NOT for PS5 & XBox Scarlett - PR facepalm (end of 2020 maybe) !!!
All the Big Players for Cg / VFX, Movie & Commercials, 3D CAD Design, Architecture & Healthcare - just all the NEW Visual Effects importance and demanding VFX Graphics Solutions & Game Engines like Unreal Engine, Unity, Frostbite & CryEngine with broad industy Support for Vulkan, Microsoft DXR and Nvidia OptiX - All are working already with Nvidia Quadro RTX & Geforce RTX Graphics cards ....

AMD is always "to late at the game" - 18,8% market share and falling .... Anybody remember AMD FuryX with HBM1 - AMD's "Overclocker Dream" in late Summer 2015?

AMD's NAVI 5700 / XT @ 7nm TSMC .... is DOA (Dead on arrival) against Nvidia's powerfull RTX Turing & new released SUPER RTX Highend 12nm Graphics cards ....

NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 40% Faster than AMD Radeon 5700 XT in Final Fantasy XV

NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 40% Faster than AMD Radeon 5700 XT in Final Fantasy XV

AMD had claimed at E3 that the new Navi cards would be 10-15% faster than the competing GeForce offerings, however as the release date draws near, we're seeing a lot of contradicting benchmarks.

www.techquila.co.in

AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT, Radeon RX 5700 & NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER GPU Benchmarks Leaked in Final Fantasy XV

The latest benchmarks for AMD's Radeon RX 5700 series and NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER graphics cards have leaked out.

wccftech.com

ASUS has an incredible 33 x GeForce RTX SUPER cards coming

ASUS has 33 x GeForce RTX SUPER cards and 23 x Radeon RX 5700 series cards on the way.

www.tweaktown.com

GIGABYTE plans a huge 69 different GeForce RTX SUPER cards

GIGABYTE is ready to get SUPER sexy with 69 different GeForce RTX SUPER cards to be launched.

www.tweaktown.com

Yes .... but AMD have 1 (ONE) $499 - the 50th Anniversary Gold Edition RX 5700 XT - for all Dummy's with minimal OC ( + $50 for AMD's Factory OC / only 75 MHz plus = 4% increase over the regular Radeon RX 5700 XT card )

AMD will Celebrates 50th Anniversary with .... bling-bling .... ‘Gold Edition’ - FAIL ;o)

No one is buying AMD Navi Card's for more than $299 Dollars .... with lacking important Microsoft DXR / RT Features for Cyberpunk 2077, Control, Watch Dogs: Legion and Call of Duty and many more: >>> https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/06/11/nvidia-rtx-ray-tracing-dlss-games-confirmed-2/

Note: Nearly 90% of PC games are developed on either Unity or Unreal, so the fact that ray tracing tech is baked into the game engines makes it that much easier for game studios to leverage the technology. NVIDIA mentioned that its goal was to minimize the amount of time and effort it requires to build games that offer real-time ray tracing, and integrating the technology into two of the world's largest game engines goes some way toward alleviating those issues.

 

[Rahnak]

@ProPain Jensen, is that you?? If you're in a such a hurry to get RT now just buy NVIDIA. Also, being late to the game isn't necessarily a bad thing, what matters most is execution.

Oh and not pay too much attention to these early benches with scarce information, wait for legit reviews. FFXV is especially bias towards NVIDIA.

 

[ProPain]

Hey @Rahnak - It's Already done ....

I upgraded in 2018 from a EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 GAMING to an MSI GeForce RTX 2080 TI Seahawk EK X ( Core 2100 / 8200 MHz GDDR6 ) @ 42°C to fullfill all my 4K & CUDA Coding needs.

Damn Yes .... and it's over 116% faster than an Vega64 .... in 4K and have cool CUDA & HW RayTracing 'RTX' Features - Thank you Jensen for such a good GeForce RTX Turing Produkt in 2018. I will buy Ampere @7nm EUV (Turing 2nd Gen) in 2020 for sure - old Nvidia (used) GeForce graphics cards are so much more Price stable - than AMD Products.

AMD Vega64 .... Mid 2018 market price over $860 >>> today only crappy $298!

 

[efikkan]

AMD Navi $449 is way to expensive - for the lacking RT Features and only GTX1070Ti / GTX1080 Custom OC Performance level…
<snip>
AMD is always "to late at the game" - 18,8% market share and falling .... Anybody remember AMD FuryX with HBM1 - AMD's "Overclocker Dream" in late Summer 2015?

AMD's NAVI 5700 / XT @ 7nm TSMC .... is DOA (Dead on arrival) against Nvidia's powerfull RTX Turing & new released SUPER RTX Highend 12nm Graphics cards ....

The challenge for RX 5700 / RX 5700 XT is that whatever price bracket they end up in, if they have major disadvantages like heat/noise, they need to compensate with price or other useful features/advantages to gain market share. This was one of the mistakes of Polaris and Vega; matching Nvidia performance vice at certain price points, but with major disadvantages. As long as there is a clear best choice in that bracket, "all" the sales will go to that product, which is why Nvidia has outsold AMD ~8-20x in these segments.

When it comes to raytracing, we have to remember it's still a niche feature, not an essential feature. It will be hard to guess if it matters for cards from 2019 in a couple of years, perhaps they will be replaced before raytracing becomes "practically useful"? I'm a big fan of the technology, but not convinced by the applications of it yet.

Note: Nearly 90% of PC games are developed on either Unity or Unreal, so the fact that ray tracing tech is baked into the game engines makes it that much easier for game studios to leverage the technology. NVIDIA mentioned that its goal was to minimize the amount of time and effort it requires to build games that offer real-time ray tracing, and integrating the technology into two of the world's largest game engines goes some way toward alleviating those issues.

Yes, most games are made with "off the shelf" game engines, but these universal game engines usually offers poor performance compared to the graphically fidelity. We've seen many of these tech demos for years with Unreal, but it usually takes a while before some games use it properly. And for Unity; 99% of stuff from Unity is trash, and let us leave it there.

 

[ProPain]

So many cool NEW Games do & will Support DXR Ray Tracing - like Cyberpunk 2077, Control, Watch Dogs: Legion and Call of Duty and many more .... guess which AMD Graphics Cards will FAIL here ....
ALL of them (GCN) Radeon 7 / Vega56/64 & Navi RX 5700 / RX 5700 XT .... and even FuryX with 4GB HBM1 - NO RTRT (MS DXR & Vulkan) Ray-Tracing Gaming Features in Hardware - till 2020 !

Total Radeon Technologies Group (RTG) - PR / Marketing & GPU Development Fail in 2018 / 2019 .... ;o)

'We at AMD - working on it - cuz Our Technology is NOT Ready' - LisaSu - Guess which Graphics Cards will Win all the Gamers hearts all over the World ....

NVIDIA GeForce RTX TURING - with RTX 2080 SUPER / RTX 2080 - RTX 2070 SUPER / RTX 2070 - RTX 2060 SUPER / RTX 2060 and GTX 1660 Ti & GTX 1660 .... or AMD RTG Navi10 with RX 5700 /XT ?!?

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 / 101'079 User Benchmarks .... vs. .... AMD Radeon VII / 2'287 User Benchmarks - almost Factor 50X more sold Nvidia GPUs - and with GeForce RTX SUPER rising ....

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

gpu.userbenchmark.com

 

[efikkan]

So many cool NEW Games do & will Support DXR Ray Tracing - like Cyberpunk 2077, Control, Watch Dogs: Legion and Call of Duty and many more .... guess which AMD Graphics Cards will FAIL here .... ALL of them (GCN) Radeon 7 / Vega56/64 & Navi RX 5700 / RX 5700 XT .... and even FuryX with 4GB HBM1 - NO RTRT (MS DXR & Vulkan) Ray-Tracing Gaming Features in Hardware - till 2020 !

It remains to be seen if raytracing becomes a killer feature for any of these games. I do believe it can be, if executed properly. Raytracing in games like Battlefield V were poorly executed, and they also focused on the "wrong" aspects of lighting. As full scene raytracing is far from achievable, I believe raytracing on Turing hardware can become useful if primarily focusing on diffuse lighting, which is not too expensive and have the greatest impact on overall picture quality, contrary to focusing on specular lighting which is very computationally expensive, needs much higher sampling resolution, and is mostly only impacting larger contrasts in lighting (reflections in glass and water, flames etc.). Raytraced specular reflections might be easier to pinpoint in a screenshot, but diffuse lighting impacts much more the overall look of the scene, especially in indoor scenes.

But back on topic, let's say raytracing becomes gradually more important over the next two years. Even so, I would argue that AMD's overall performance and performance per watt problem is a much larger concern. If they got to choose; some essential type of accelerated raytracing or make the architecture generally more competitive with Nvidia, I believe they should focus on the latter. Raytracing is not a deal breaker in the short term, but it will be down the road.

We must not forget that Navi lanuching this month is going to compete with the more advanced Turing architecture, which is already half-way through its lifecycle. And what does AMD have for next year? Potentially a little larger Navi. And however the core of second iteration of Navi is configured, it will still have the performance characteristics of Navi. And by the time it launches, Nvidia will have launched or will be about to launch Turing's successor on 7nm.

 

[ProPain]

Most tech geeks already know .... never Buy AMD first gen Products .... like, Bulldozer, Ryzen 1 or Polaris10, Fiji & Vega10 .... and AMD Navi = RDNA 1st Gen with overpriced PR & without RT in HW !

Navi20 .... will perform so much better in 2020 .... for only TAM $299 - just wait a bit .... cheap AMD tech - AMD for the Gamerz ^^

AMD went from rebranding GPUs - to rebranding micro architectures ....
Polaris 10: 36 CUs (GCN) :180W+ :14nm
Navi 10 : 40 CUs (RDNA) : 225W+ : 7nm

BTW: RDNA (1st Gen) is still using GCN Instruction... what on earth are they hoping for? Some new PR miracles in Radeon Technologies Group (RTG) .... Raja Koduri goes on Sabbatical .... @ INTEL Xe

 

[efikkan]

Most tech geeks already know .... never Buy AMD first gen Products .... like, Bulldozer, Ryzen 1 or Polaris10, Fiji & Vega10 .... and AMD Navi = RDNA 1st Gen with overpriced PR & without RT in HW !

Really? I don't recall Bulldozer becoming good, neither Polaris.

Navi20 .... will perform so much better in 2020 .... for only TAM $299 - just wait a bit .... cheap AMD tech - AMD for the Gamerz ^^

AMD went from rebranding GPUs - to rebranding micro architectures ....
Polaris 10: 36 CUs (GCN) :180W+ :14nm
Navi 10 : 40 CUs (RDNA) : 225W+ : 7nm

Navi 2x will be just a tweak and some changes in core configurations.
225W for 40 CUs, just imagine ~64 CUs.

BTW: RDNA (1st Gen) is still using GCN Instruction... what on earth are they hoping for? Some new PR miracles in Radeon Technologies Group (RTG) ....

From the looks of it, it seems like AMD just intend to keep doing very small iterations of GCN, but rebranded as "RDNA" now.
And the problem isn't what they call it, nor that they continue tweaking something, but the fact that the thing they are tweaking is falling further and further behind every iteration. Turing is ~2x as efficient as Vega, and AMD got very little from their node shrink, while Nvidia still have a node shrink up their sleeve. By the time big Navi is trying to go beyond RTX 2080, the market is way past that. For every iteration of GCN, we've heard that the next one is going to beat Nvidia, and then Nvidia shows up with something even better.

 

[ProPain]

Really? I don't recall Bulldozer becoming good, neither Polaris. =>> Nope, Neither do I - better always avoid (1st Gen) AMD Technology - Navi & Navi20 with 1st Gen AMD RTRT Hardware also .... ;o)

225W for 40 CUs, just imagine ~64 CUs. =>> another 315W+ Power hog .... like Vega 64 ?!?

From the looks of it, it seems like AMD just intend to keep doing very small iterations of GCN, but rebranded as "RDNA" now.
And the problem isn't what they call it, nor that they continue tweaking something, but the fact that the thing they are tweaking is falling further and further behind every iteration. Turing is ~2x as efficient as Vega, and AMD got very little from their node shrink, while Nvidia still have a node shrink up their sleeve. By the time big Navi is trying to go beyond RTX 2080, the market is way past that. For every iteration of GCN, we've heard that the next one is going to beat Nvidia, and then Nvidia shows up with something even better. You 100 %Right sure - it's the Nvidia Green Team!

AMD already needed expensive HBM2 so save VEGA GCN from total Failure .... and now 7nm TSMC to get Navi GCN+ working near Pascal GTX 1080 Perf. / Watt Level from 2016 ....
Now, Imagine what Nvidia NEW (Samsung) 7nm EUV GPU Architecture (2nd Gen) DL Tensor- & RT-Cores will do .... in all HPC / Professional Visualization & of course Gaming Segments ....

100% AMD Horror .... for GCN & RDNA!

AMD HW Ray Tracing isn't ready yet .... soon - End of 2020 maybe !

 

[efikkan]

AMD already needed expensive HBM2 so save VEGA GCN from total Failure .... and now 7nm TSMC to get Navi GCN+ working near Pascal GTX 1080 Perf. / Watt Level from 2016 ....
Now, Imagine what Nvidia NEW (Samsung) 7nm EUV GPU Architecture (2nd Gen) DL Tensor- & RT-Cores will do .... in all HPC / Professional Visualization & of course Gaming Segments ....

100% AMD Horror .... for GCN & RDNA!

AMD HW Ray Tracing isn't ready yet .... soon - End of 2020 maybe !

Yes, I know.
For AMD to become relevant again, they don't have to compete with Nvidia's entire lineup, but they have to have an architecture with a comparable efficiency. Right now, AMD isn't really even present in the mid-range (in terms of market share).

Nvidia have a 2x efficiency lead that AMD needs to reduce, and that wouldn't go away over night. AMD's next "architecture" isn't out until at least 2021, and in the meantime Nvidia will have a node shrink and their next architecture. Unfortunately I don't see anything on the horizon that will change the market anytime soon.

It took Intel several years of screwups before AMD managed to "catch up" in the CPU market, but that was with AMD at least trying very hard. In the GPU market their focus is on the gaming consoles, so even if they hoped for Nvidia to screw up for 2-3 years, AMD would probably not catch up even then.

 

[Rahnak]

I upgraded in 2018 from a EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 GAMING to an MSI GeForce RTX 2080 TI Seahawk EK X ( Core 2100 / 8200 MHz GDDR6 ) @ 42°C to fullfill all my 4K & CUDA Coding needs.

How did it feel paying almost double for current gen's flagship vs last gen's flagship?

 

[jaggerwild]

I love how they say "LEAKED" but if its out there you can damn sure bet someone wanted it out there! NDA would squash it if not........

 

[medi01]

it's still not worth the $449

Yeah, given that those "supers" will have better perf/price than 2060/2070!
Oh, hold on...

MEANWHILE people complain about AMD prices and yet, they tried to undercut NV but... people still didn't buy their cards. You have a shitty card like the 1050ti vastly outselling the superior 570.

This is why we can't have good things.

AMD Navi $449 is way to expensive - for the lacking RT Feature...

Yeah. That 1% of games that support it and many RTX 2060 users disabling that gimmick anyway, surely is a major point.

...and only GTX1070Ti / GTX1080 Custom OC Performance level...

Like what greedia offered with "powerful 2070". for mere $499. Yay.

Now, Imagine what Nvidia NEW (Samsung) 7nm EUV GPU Architecture (2nd Gen) DL Tensor- & RT-Cores will do .... in all HPC / Professional Visualization & of course Gaming Segments

Better imagine how much that would cost.

As for AMD, you might need to check the chip size (around 480/1060 levels) align it with high 7nm yield claims, and think about all the wonderful options that AMD has, positioning what, essentially, is something only mildly more expensive than 480 at twice the price.

 

[Vayra86]

Updated: Launch Month - NVIDIA Super is a GeForce RTX 2060 ($249), 2070 ($399), 2080 ($599)

On the web there is active discussion on what that 'Super' video was all about. A logical deduction can be applied here. GeForce RTX 2070, 2080 (Ti) are not doing so well due to pricing. The RTX 2...

www.guru3d.com

That'd be more like it, but - rumor and rumor. Lots of salt required

AMD GCN GPU's always failed in Performance/Watt ratio so damn hard - NO one is buying them anymore (do the much higher voltage power consumption). Now with Navi (RDNA = AMD PR joke = GCN+) and lacking importand RayTracing Features - all the AMD Fans will again .... wait for the next real thing from AMD = Navi20 for $199 Dollars (or max. TAM $299) with AMD's first unsecure steps on RT cores ( AMD 1st - Microsoft DXR compatile GPU ) and AMD Beta Driver Testing at Customers - btw. when will AMD Support Navi20 with real HW RTRT Features - End of 2020 ?!?

AMD Navi $449 is way to expensive - for the lacking RT Features and only GTX1070Ti / GTX1080 Custom OC Performance level - like what Nvidia offered with powerfull 16nm Pascal GPU's in 2016 !!!

AMD Industrie & Driver Support is not existing today for RTRT - like Nvidia's RTX (DXR) Industrie Standard with CUDA-X with dedicated RT & Tensor Cores in Hardware !!!
AMD DXR Hardware is not existing and more than a year and x-month away .... Lisa Su say to Analysts << We at AMD working on it >> .... ;( big ROFL - with all the AMD Marketing & RayTracing PR Stunts - few month ago !!!
AMD DXR Driver not existing - NOT for Navi (RDNA) and NOT for GCN Vega / Vega20 Rebrandeon (7nm) .... even NOT for PS5 & XBox Scarlett - PR facepalm (end of 2020 maybe) !!!
All the Big Players for Cg / VFX, Movie & Commercials, 3D CAD Design, Architecture & Healthcare - just all the NEW Visual Effects importance and demanding VFX Graphics Solutions & Game Engines like Unreal Engine, Unity, Frostbite & CryEngine with broad industy Support for Vulkan, Microsoft DXR and Nvidia OptiX - All are working already with Nvidia Quadro RTX & Geforce RTX Graphics cards ....

AMD is always "to late at the game" - 18,8% market share and falling .... Anybody remember AMD FuryX with HBM1 - AMD's "Overclocker Dream" in late Summer 2015?

AMD's NAVI 5700 / XT @ 7nm TSMC .... is DOA (Dead on arrival) against Nvidia's powerfull RTX Turing & new released SUPER RTX Highend 12nm Graphics cards ....

NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 40% Faster than AMD Radeon 5700 XT in Final Fantasy XV

NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 40% Faster than AMD Radeon 5700 XT in Final Fantasy XV

AMD had claimed at E3 that the new Navi cards would be 10-15% faster than the competing GeForce offerings, however as the release date draws near, we're seeing a lot of contradicting benchmarks.

www.techquila.co.in

AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT, Radeon RX 5700 & NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER GPU Benchmarks Leaked in Final Fantasy XV

The latest benchmarks for AMD's Radeon RX 5700 series and NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER graphics cards have leaked out.

wccftech.com

ASUS has an incredible 33 x GeForce RTX SUPER cards coming

ASUS has 33 x GeForce RTX SUPER cards and 23 x Radeon RX 5700 series cards on the way.

www.tweaktown.com

GIGABYTE plans a huge 69 different GeForce RTX SUPER cards

GIGABYTE is ready to get SUPER sexy with 69 different GeForce RTX SUPER cards to be launched.

www.tweaktown.com

Yes .... but AMD have 1 (ONE) $499 - the 50th Anniversary Gold Edition RX 5700 XT - for all Dummy's with minimal OC ( + $50 for AMD's Factory OC / only 75 MHz plus = 4% increase over the regular Radeon RX 5700 XT card )

AMD will Celebrates 50th Anniversary with .... bling-bling .... ‘Gold Edition’ - FAIL ;o)

No one is buying AMD Navi Card's for more than $299 Dollars .... with lacking important Microsoft DXR / RT Features for Cyberpunk 2077, Control, Watch Dogs: Legion and Call of Duty and many more: >>> https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/06/11/nvidia-rtx-ray-tracing-dlss-games-confirmed-2/

Note: Nearly 90% of PC games are developed on either Unity or Unreal, so the fact that ray tracing tech is baked into the game engines makes it that much easier for game studios to leverage the technology. NVIDIA mentioned that its goal was to minimize the amount of time and effort it requires to build games that offer real-time ray tracing, and integrating the technology into two of the world's largest game engines goes some way toward alleviating those issues.

TL DR and your large bolded text identifies you as someone I would never even begin to pay attention to. Some feedback. This isn't a billboard, its a forum. Act like it.

 

[ratirt]

I love when forum members bring up an arguments they think are legit and they are for sure but what they actually say is just worthless and the arguments turn to nothing.

AMD has more to offer than one can think. Maybe that's why NV is going G-Sync "compatible" (what a ruse btw, it is kinda funny ) now NV is releasing "Super" cards basically same thing with a little kick in the core count. Let's hope the price is there first Superior it is for the high end but anyway AMD has given them some stimulus with it's 5000 series cards.
With the RT sure. It is great when it works as it should which isn't happening more soon. Well you can always play Quake 2 which looks nice with RT if you get 2080TI for that purpose.
BTW. Having the RT not necessarily means you will use it because of the performance. So, what's the point for having it? AMD made the right choice not going for it by not taking NV's bait. Nice piece of technology which has been available for a decade or even more but still too early for this and not worth the effort for the developers. Maybe some day.

 

[londiste]

Raytracing should not be the cause for buying a GPU today. However, if there are two otherwise equal-ish GPUs it will inevitably become a factor.

 

[medi01]

Raytracing should not be the cause for buying a GPU today. However, if there are two otherwise equal-ish GPUs it will inevitably become a factor.

Well, no arguing about that. But AMD's offerings are cheaper.

 

[EarthDog]

Well, no arguing about that. But AMD's offerings are cheaper.

Which is reay all they have going for them, though.

 

[BorgOvermind]

@s3thra since the 5700 does good, indeed the next nice thing that it could happen it is to be a little more affordable.

@ProPain, and nV's RT helped you personally how exactly ?