NVIDIA Launches the GeForce RTX 2080 Super Graphics Card

[Space Lynx]

I hear driver horror stories about Navi still, but I don't know, they can't be that bad...

 

[gmn17]

2080 ti super in the near future pls

 

[Crackong]

2080 super cannot be that powerful..otherwise 2080ti users will be upset.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Progress can't be too powerful, otherwise people who spent money in the past would be very upset.

 

[Space Lynx]

Progress can't be too powerful, otherwise people who spent money in the past would be very upset.

2080 super cannot be that powerful..otherwise 2080ti users will be upset.

tell that Radeon VII owners... tell that to RTX 2070 owners who 6 months later if they waited could have gotten much better performance for same money... no different here, Nvidia is just being an idiot. 2080 Ti folks still get 11gb vram not 8gb, plus Nvidia could have gimped OC'ing on it so it only matched or came close to matching stock 2080 ti once oc'd. /shrug. nvidia has no competition in this price bracket, therefore, does not care. we just have to hope full RDNA from AMD comes within 8 months or so, and matches 2080 ti level of performance across the board. its not impossible.

 

[Crackong]

tell that Radeon VII owners... tell that to RTX 2070 owners who 6 months later if they waited could have gotten much better performance for same money... no different here, Nvidia is just being an idiot. 2080 Ti folks still get 11gb vram not 8gb, plus Nvidia could have gimped OC'ing on it so it only matched or came close to matching stock 2080 ti once oc'd. /shrug. nvidia has no competition in this price bracket, therefore, does not care. we just have to hope full RDNA from AMD comes within 8 months or so, and matches 2080 ti level of performance across the board. its not impossible.

Oh I am a 2080 owner.
And I am done looking at useless RT and DLSS demos.
Going to replace it with an AIB 5700XT mid August and enjoy fluid motion and Radeon image sharpening
They don't need some super AI algorithm to work, They just works.

 

[Turmania]

I would never buy a GPU that consumes more than 150W as I entertain a tight mini itx set up and case.so basically rx 5700 and or rtx 2060 super is my limit even them I'm not so comfortable.but it seems here considering the price, I think Nvidia just did not help themselves. Rtx 2070 super seems better deal.

 

[Space Lynx]

I would never buy a GPU that consumes more than 150W as I entertain a tight mini itx set up and case.so basically rx 5700 and or rtx 2060 super is my limit even them I'm not so comfortable.but it seems here considering the price, I think Nvidia just did not help themselves. Rtx 2070 super seems better deal.

rx 5700 blower is probably not that bad for a mini itx case, blowing out the hot air... would be fine with an aggressive fan curve.

 

[B-Real]

Youtube reviews roundup (I'll update when I find them):

der8auer

Gigabyte

Paul's Hardware

Zotac

Hardware Unboxed

GamersNexus

WCCFTech

I love Steven Walton's work there. He was so cool about the whole RTX lineup and gave it what it deserved.

We all want prices to drop faster and for new generations to offer larger improvements, but that's beside the point.
You can get "1080Ti performance" for $500 in the form of RTX 2070 Super, an excellent offer in the current market. Expecting that the previous generation's high-end performance should be costing $300 two years later is a bit optimistic, so I think your expectations may need some calibration.

It MAY be excellent offer in the CURRENT market, but in general, it's as horrific choice as the (near) whole RTX lineup. If you want to experience RT, go, get a 2060 Super for $400, you can use RT on FHD with adequat fps (60...) and 30ish minimums. LOL. In any other cases, every rational customer goes for the RX 5700 or XT with $50-100 for the 2060 Super- 2070 Super like performance, equal efficiency. Or stay with your gloriously priced 1070, 1080, 1080 Ti.

 

[dj-electric]

Oh I am a 2080 owner.
And I am done looking at useless RT and DLSS demos.
Going to replace it with an AIB 5700XT mid August and enjoy fluid motion and Radeon image sharpening
They don't need some super AI algorithm to work, They just works.

You are going to replace an RTX 2080 with an RX 5700 XT...

This is wonderfully idiotic.

 

[Crackong]

You are going to replace an RTX 2080 with an RX 5700 XT...

This is wonderfully idiotic.

If the AIB 5700XT reach maybe 1.95 - 2GHz , why not ?
RT cores and DLSS are mostly useless anyway.
Similar performance and I can have my $200 back.

Just waiting for AMD to confirm if Fluid Motion still works in Navi.

 

[Vayra86]

You are going to replace an RTX 2080 with an RX 5700 XT...
This is wonderfully idiotic.

Side grading was never this much fun? I dont know man... I often wonder if we should take even 10% of what I read in these topics for granted.

 

[efikkan]

Progress can't be too powerful, otherwise people who spent money in the past would be very upset.

That's nonsense. People can't have it both ways; significant progress and not "ruining" the value of their investment. Sounds more like people are angry in principle, like the fake outrage against "evil" Nvidia.

If you remember the 90s; being a PC gamer back then was really tough, unless you lagged a few years behind in games. First of all, people needed pretty expensive computers to play the top games, and then it would be outdated within 1-2 years, in many cases unable to even run new games, and if so at very poor details.

People who can't deal with better things arriving after their purchase should find another hobby.

 

[Vayra86]

That's nonsense. People can't have it both ways; significant progress and not "ruining" the value of their investment. Sounds more like people are angry in principle, like the fake outrage against "evil" Nvidia.

If you remember the 90s; being a PC gamer back then was really tough, unless you lagged a few years behind in games. First of all, people needed pretty expensive computers to play the top games, and then it would be outdated within 1-2 years, in many cases unable to even run new games, and if so at very poor details.

People who can't deal with better things arriving after their purchase should find another hobby.

You're right. It wás nonsense, but progress / Moore's Law is falling apart everywhere. CPUs are stagnant and need more cores/bigger dies, chiplets even to extract higher performance. GPUs are approaching that too. Already the dies get bigger, and with that, cost per die increases faster than the relative performance gained.

These baby steps will happen more often, and the perf/dollar may remain exactly where it is. In that sense, you can actually have progress more easily now without feeling screwed the moment you purchase it. Or maybe, you're screwed in a different way: now the purchase itself is too expensive

Maybe the time when we had very good upgrade paths are the exception to the rule?

 

[efikkan]

You're right. It wás nonsense, but progress / Moore's Law is falling apart everywhere. CPUs are stagnant and need more cores/bigger dies, chiplets even to extract higher performance. GPUs are approaching that too. Already the dies get bigger, and with that, cost per die increases faster than the relative performance gained.

Moore's law is marketing BS, and have always been.
But yes, in larger trends improving performance gets harder and harder.
GPUs still have good performance gains generation to generation, but that will slow down very soon, we only have a couple of node shrinks left until new materials are needed.
CPUs have only been slowly improving since Sandy Bridge, and while higher core count is helpful for some things, it does little for most desktop uses.

These baby steps will happen more often, and the perf/dollar may remain exactly where it is. In that sense, you can actually have progress more easily now without feeling screwed the moment you purchase it. Or maybe, you're screwed in a different way: now the purchase itself is too expensive

There will still be gains from more efficient architectures, but gains will be smaller, so don't expect huge improvements in performance per dollar, but it shouldn't get worse though.

While hardware have never been cheaper, and with fairly decent hardware being affordable for anyone, we shouldn't really complain too much about hardware.
But I would point out that the largest problem is software, and unfortunately the larger trends in software is more bloat and abstractions.

Maybe the time when we had very good upgrade paths are the exception to the rule?

I'm not sure what you mean here, please elaborate.

 

[Fluffmeister]

tell that Radeon VII owners... tell that to RTX 2070 owners who 6 months later if they waited could have gotten much better performance for same money... no different here, Nvidia is just being an idiot. 2080 Ti folks still get 11gb vram not 8gb, plus Nvidia could have gimped OC'ing on it so it only matched or came close to matching stock 2080 ti once oc'd. /shrug. nvidia has no competition in this price bracket, therefore, does not care. we just have to hope full RDNA from AMD comes within 8 months or so, and matches 2080 ti level of performance across the board. its not impossible.

It was a tongue in cheek comment, base on:

2080 super cannot be that powerful..otherwise 2080ti users will be upset.

Of course it is nonsense, the idea that technology shouldn't progress and move forward because some idiots on forums like these spent their cash and feel that they have gotten a raw deal because something better comes out a mere few months later is laughable.

Nvidia is large corp with investors and shareholders, as someone recently said about AMD... they aren't a charity either.

People need to get real, mutli billion corps with cheerleaders, it's gold.

 

[danbert2000]

I'm glad I jumped on the 2070 Super when it came out instead of waiting on this card. One, I am tired of spending $700 on a new card every 3 years. Not that I needed to, but I am at 4k and I did want some extra juice to keep framerates up. Two, the power consumption is getting out of hand on these bigger cards. When I bought my 1080, it was faster than every other card on the market, for about 190W power consumption. Even stepping up to the 2070 Super required me to upgrade my power supply, something I'm still confused about since the power increase was so small from 1080 to 2070 Super. I just can't fit a hotter card in this SFF case. Three, this 2080 Super is pretty underwhelming even compared to the 1080 Ti, and for a similar price. Hopefully Nvidia has finished milking us for RTX money and will put out a real generational increase next year. I'm glad the 2070 Super came out to fill the void of people who want 1080 Ti performance with less power and heat. I'm glad I have raytracing hardware for the next-gen games that will probably all shoehorn it in somehow.

This isn't as bad as 970 to 980 days, where the 980 really didn't give you much at all, but I don't know who is going to spend $200 more for 10-15% more performance over the 2070 super. Nvidia has to sort their card stack out next time, and hopefully pressure from AMD will help them get closer to giving us a card that definitively beats the 1080 Ti without costing $1200.

 

[efikkan]

I'm glad the 2070 Super came out to fill the void of people who want 1080 Ti performance with less power and heat. I'm glad I have raytracing hardware for the next-gen games that will probably all shoehorn it in somehow.
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Nvidia has to sort their card stack out next time, and hopefully pressure from AMD will help them get closer to giving us a card that definitively beats the 1080 Ti without costing $1200.

RTX 2070 Super is certainly the best deal in the current market, and strikes a nice balance between efficiency, noise, price and enough performance to be useful for a while. But people who are on the fence because of Turing shouldn't keep waiting for "1080 Ti performance" forever, games do also get more demanding as time goes by. I sense that many is waiting for a "1080 Ti killer" from AMD, but by the time that arrives the market has moved on.
So, until there is a major shift in the market, RTX 2070 Super is the goto deal.

This isn't as bad as 970 to 980 days, where the 980 really didn't give you much at all…

The GTX 970 was a bit odd, it was too close to GTX 980 in performance. GTX 970 somehow managed to perform much better per GFlop than its siblings, it probably struck some nice balance in scheduling resources and cache vs. cores. GTX 970, especially the factory overclocked models, despite the fake outrage about memory speed, was the best deal of that era, as RTX 2070 Super is the best deal now.

 

[Icy1007]

If the AIB 5700XT reach maybe 1.95 - 2GHz , why not ?
RT cores and DLSS are mostly useless anyway.
Similar performance and I can have my $200 back.

Just waiting for AMD to confirm if Fluid Motion still works in Navi.

The 2080 Super is 25-30% faster than the 5700XT in most games... replacing a 2080 with a 5700XT would be a downgrade.

 

[Crackong]

The 2080 Super is 25-30% faster than the 5700XT in most games... replacing a 2080 with a 5700XT would be a downgrade.

Ofc a downgrade in terms of performance, but the 2080 super costs 75% more than the 5700XT.

 

[Icy1007]

That is how graphics cards have worked for several years. The difference between mid level and top level is 30-40%, but price can be up to 100% more.

 

[medi01]

That is how graphics cards have worked for several years. The difference between mid level and top level is 30-40%, but price can be up to 100% more.

Diff between stock 5700XT and 2080 is 12-20%, nowhere the "30-40%" you've mentioned for some weird reason.

 

[Icy1007]

Diff between stock 5700XT and 2080 is 12-20%, nowhere the "30-40%" you've mentioned for some weird reason.

The difference is more than 12-20%.

 

[medi01]

The difference is more than 12-20%.

The 12-20% claim was a link.
Thank you.

 

[Icy1007]

The 12-20% claim was a link.
Thank you.

And that shows 20-30%