Intel Says Its Upcoming Gen12 GPUs Will Feature Biggest Architecture Change In A Decade

[eidairaman1]

AMD Zen2 APUs will have a chiplet just for the iGPU which imho will get in the RX560 level of performance. Which in turn will be much faster than whatever Intel brings to the table in 1-2 years for its APUs. So, too little, too late maybe.

Should be navi based

 

[danbert2000]

They can improve the iGPU all they want, but I'm guessing we're not going to see incredible gains until the memory bandwidth situation is improved. I know that faster DDR4 speeds are helping things along, but there's still something like a fivefold gap in bandwidth that puts a ceiling on what is possible on an on-die GPU. Without some sort of high speed cache, these are going to be fully bandwidth limited. Not to mention you're sharing system memory, so some modern games are not going to play nicely on 8 GB of shared RAM.

Clearly the next step is throwing an HBM on the die as well. AMD could do that quite easily with their multi-chip processors. Intel is doing work on 3D chip integration, maybe that technology will come to bear on a "new" Iris Pro.

I have to laugh that we're just now seeing Intel put out something that can beat my i7-5775c at graphics performance. About time!

 

[thesmokingman]

I can see a future massive patent suit coming up with Intel hiring poaching so many former AMD engineers...

 

[dj-electric]

I can see a future massive patent suit coming up with Intel hiring poaching so many former AMD engineers...

You know, its not like they put f&*king guns to their heads. They offer money, they make deals.

 

[thesmokingman]

You know, its not like they put f&*king guns to their heads. They offer money, they make deals.

No shit? However the reality is whenever there's poaching there's often a suitcase of files... not saying it happened here but it happens.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Workers 'stealing company data'

news.bbc.co.uk

 

[Metroid]

bulldozer episode 2.

 

[Infkos]

There's always AMD fanboys shitting on Intel and Nvidia articles... crazy cult I must say with such dedication.

I am not AMD fanboy. I have 30 computer gamers all with Intel and Nvidia GPUs. The next ones to join will be with Ryzen.

 

[seronx]

bulldozer episode 2.

Larrabee episode 10*

 

[Steevo]

You're misinterpreting. Intel's reps said Gen12 will double upon the speed of Gen11, which already rivals APUs. So That's X4 of Gen 9.5 according to them

So 50/64 = 78% of performance.... 22% less...

Math is hard, I get it.

 

[dicktracy]

I am not AMD fanboy. I have 30 computer gamers all with Intel and Nvidia GPUs. The next ones to join will be with Ryzen.

Good for you. But I'm not talking about people supporting AMD... I might even get a Threadripper based on Zen 4. It's the crazed vocal minority that are spamming the same anti-Intel/Nvidia narrative throughout social media as if they're personally invested in a company that don't care about them. If that's not a cult, then I don't know what that is.

 

[semantics]

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So 50/64 = 78% of performance.... 22% less...

Math is hard, I get it.

2400g is 65w tdp not meant for mobile.
And you compare it to 15-25w intel cpus ment for mobile on a game notoriously bottlenecked by cpu performance.

Pretty sure people call that intellectual bankruptcy
Granted that's intel 11 gen graphics is only in their icelake platform but amd has mobile platforms as well.

If you want to be a little more honest
try a I7-1065G7 vs Ryzen 7 3700U both are part of the upper end of their mobile segments and have tdp of 15-25w

 

[IceShroom]

Good for you. But I'm not talking about people supporting AMD... I might even get a Threadripper based on Zen 4. It's the crazed vocal minority that are spamming the same anti-Intel/Nvidia narrative throughout social media as if they're personally invested in a company that don't care about them. If that's not a cult, then I don't know what that is.

We have a Intel/Nvidia Avenger here. The predator is now playing victim card.

And Intel's support is shit. No WDDM 2.6 or even 2.4/2.5 for Haswell IGPU. Didn't receive any update for IGPU through out either 2017/2018, then only recieved 1 update in 2019 with driver date of 2018.

 

[Steevo]

2400g is 65w tdp not meant for mobile.
And you compare it to 15-25w intel cpus ment for mobile on a game notoriously bottlenecked by cpu performance.

Pretty sure people call that intellectual bankruptcy
Granted that's intel 11 gen graphics is only in their icelake platform but amd has mobile platforms as well.

If you want to be a little more honest
try a I7-1065G7 vs Ryzen 7 3700U both are part of the upper end of their mobile segments and have tdp of 15-25w

I have failed at Google, where is this review at on the web, I can't find it?


I found it.

Ryzen with 2400Mhz ram and Intel with 3733Mhz.

 

[notb]

No shit? However the reality is whenever there's poaching there's often a suitcase of files... not saying it happened here but it happens.

You're suggesting something illegal, so maybe you could at least add a motive? Why would Intel need "a suitcase of files"? What could they learn from it?

Ryzen with 2400Mhz ram and Intel with 3733Mhz.

And that is important because...?

 

[eidairaman1]

I have failed at Google, where is this review at on the web, I can't find it?


I found it.

Ryzen with 2400Mhz ram and Intel with 3733Mhz.

Yup watch the amd with 3733 run the intel over lol

 

[notb]

Yup watch the amd with 3733 run the intel over lol

If only it existed.

 

[R0H1T]

Well it exists & is coming to Renoir(?) IIRC & "it matters" because - bandwidth - obviously not to mention ICL competition is AMD @7nm not what they're showcasing atm

 

[john_]

Until 5 years ago Intel had "alien technology". You could expect wonders from them. Today, not so much. Considering their recent slides, I am pretty sure that, when they claim double performance they mean:
- Old iGPU tested with DDR4 2400, new one tested with DDR4 5GHz(or something).

Let's wait and see.

 

[notb]

Well it exists & is coming to Renoir(?) IIRC & "it matters" because - bandwidth - obviously not to mention ICL competition is AMD @7nm not what they're showcasing atm

So actually it doesn't exist yet - not for sale at least.

Simple fact is: Intel is currently selling a 10nm 4C/8T 25W mobile SoC that:
- on the CPU front performs like a desktop i7 7700 - way past anything AMD has shown to date,
- on the GPU front matches the best mobile AMD APU.
In other words: it's roughly equivalent to what AMD is rumored to show next year as Renoir (Zen2 + Vega).

Yes, some of the Gen12 GPU result stems from having faster RAM. So? Intel developed a solution that supports and benefits from the best DDR4 they could find.

When AMD gets an advantage from HBM2 I never see you trivializing that "it would be sh.t with DDR5". :-D

 

[R0H1T]

Well yes it's not for sale just yet, but I guess ICL is also pretty rare isn't it? The ICL launch is pretty much the carbon copy of BDW launch 4 (5?) years back, with mass availability likely still 6+ months away.

Simple fact is: Intel is currently selling a 10nm 4C/8T 25W mobile SoC that:
- on the CPU front performs like a desktop i7 7700 - way past anything AMD has shown to date,
- on the GPU front matches the best mobile AMD APU.
In other words: it's roughly equivalent to what AMD may show next year as Renoir (Zen2 + Vega).

I can't say how good will Renoir clock but there's every chance that the GPU should beat anything Intel has, possibly with the exception of dedicated eDRAM or some other solution for Iris pro chips.

When AMD gets an advantage from HBM2 I never see you trivializing that "it would be sh.t with DDR5". :-D

I'm not sure why that is relevant, if ICL were selling in huge numbers perhaps we could debate about how AMD is still lagging behind the competition even with their GPU advantage. But as it is we have 0 sales, from AMD, & virtually no sales numbers from Intel. Just to add to that, I doubt Intel's major USP would be the GPU even with ICL. As you rightly pointed out, their CPU/IPC dominance would mostly continue to be the key selling point.

Basically it boils down to what you can afford (+availability) & what fits your need, in the mobile space I'd mostly prefer a better GPU but again it depends on the individual.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Recently all those news coming from intel with promises promises, start to sound more and more just like those fake adverts for "penis enhancement pills", or similar...

 

[notb]

Well yes it's not for sale just yet, but I guess ICL is also pretty rare isn't it? The ICL launch is pretty much the carbon copy of BDW launch 4 (5?) years back, with mass availability likely still 6+ months away.

That depends what you call "mass availability".
It's a very fresh CPU and just few laptops have been announced.
Dell has just 1 notebook with 1065G7 (new XPS 2in1) - estimated shipping in 10 days.
Sure, 1 laptop is not that great even at launch, but that's still more than the number of Ryzen 3000 desktops they offer.

In fact Lenovo and HP also announced a single laptop with IceLake-U. As with Dell, it's a premium convertible, so not really an important product.

Recently all those news coming from intel with promises promises, start to sound more and more just like those fake adverts for "penis enhancement pills", or similar...

Yes, they start to sound like AMD in 2016. ;-)

 

[TheDeeGee]

Looking forward to the vulnerabilities.

 

[Vayra86]

Intel has been banging the drums about their IGPs for nearly a decade now, and look what they got to. The only truly promising IGP they did have was a one off.

Even just the TDP limit is a hard reality that they cant get around. More talk, no results is all this is. Another baby step on inferior node.

And if THIS is what they intend to market or fire up Xe with.... yeah... we'll talk again a decade from now.

They can improve the iGPU all they want, but I'm guessing we're not going to see incredible gains until the memory bandwidth situation is improved. I know that faster DDR4 speeds are helping things along, but there's still something like a fivefold gap in bandwidth that puts a ceiling on what is possible on an on-die GPU. Without some sort of high speed cache, these are going to be fully bandwidth limited. Not to mention you're sharing system memory, so some modern games are not going to play nicely on 8 GB of shared RAM.

Clearly the next step is throwing an HBM on the die as well. AMD could do that quite easily with their multi-chip processors. Intel is doing work on 3D chip integration, maybe that technology will come to bear on a "new" Iris Pro.

I have to laugh that we're just now seeing Intel put out something that can beat my i7-5775c at graphics performance. About time!

Exactly. Im still amazed they didnt pursue that 5775C further. Wonderful cpu.

 

[notb]

Intel has been banging the drums about their IGPs for nearly a decade now, and look what they got to. The only truly promising IGP they did have was a one off.

One of the most efficient GPUs available (including ARM)? Triple 4K support? Most polished hardware encoder/decoder?

Out of all PCs existing maybe 10% are used for gaming and maybe 1% for some kind of semi-conscious GPGPU - most of these have a graphics card anyway.
For the rest of users Intel HD is pretty much perfect.
They're increasing performance to support higher resolutions. That's it.