AMD "Navi 14" and "Navi 12" GPUs Detailed Some More

[Xaled]

Not to off putting but Im curious about all the 7nm and navi issues. I have yet to experience any issue with my x570/3700x/5700xt combo. No driver issues, core boosting issues of the sort. While I may be the minority, I feel that a lot of issues are blown out of proportion and to some extent people lying. Amds drivers have been solid for me for quite sometime now. Ive been fortunate with nvidia as well. All in all im just looking for healthy competition on all fronts.

Just don't listen to lynex29. I really doubt that he owns an AMD product. He is probably just one of those nvidia/intel guys that hijack almost every news post about AMD.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just don't listen to lynex29. I really doubt that he owns an AMD product. He is probably just one of those nvidia/intel guys that hijack almost every news post about AMD.

You have no way of knowing that and you're effectively calling him a liar which is an unmistakable insult. Not cool.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

It seems no-one is watching Moore's Law is Dead ? Pity.
Recommended for ya all:

Surely he can't be as clueless as AdoredTV and everyone loved his fake cr@p so why not give this random dude a go, huh.

 

[efikkan]

Devkits, maybe? Linux drivers take the kitchen-sink approach when it comes to support because the potential ecosystem has infinite permutations.
The short answer is "I don't know" much like everyone outside of AMD at this point. 99.9% speculation with no hard evidence to support a larger chip other than the echo chamber of hopes

AMD does make various custom SOCs too, especially for the Chinese market.
Or sometimes AMD, Intel or Nvidia make experimental products that don't end up as a commercial product, just saying…

 

[Cheeseball]

Not to off putting but Im curious about all the 7nm and navi issues. I have yet to experience any issue with my x570/3700x/5700xt combo. No driver issues, core boosting issues of the sort. While I may be the minority, I feel that a lot of issues are blown out of proportion and to some extent people lying. Amds drivers have been solid for me for quite sometime now. Ive been fortunate with nvidia as well. All in all im just looking for healthy competition on all fronts.

Depending on how your setup is in Radeon Settings, you will experience some anomalies. A good example is the 75/144 Hz bug where the memory will run at the max if you use those refresh rates with your monitor even during idle state. The other one is Enhanced Sync, which causes some games to crash with it enabled (this is also a known issue with the current driver).

EDIT: And Discord just hung on me. But this is a known issue with the current 19.9.2 driver.

Hardware is really good, but the drivers need some more work.

 

[Space Lynx]

Alot of people are. The RX5600's are particularly interesting at the price range implied.

The 5800's look good and will be interesting to benchmark.

as a 1440p high refresh gamer, the 5800 and 5800 xt need to trade blows with a 2080 or 2080 super across the board and come in at $599 max... ideally ... $499. I will buy one instantly the moment I see benches match a 2080 super in a lot of games, doesn't have to be all, just a lot.

 

[Cheeseball]

as a 1440p high refresh gamer, the 5800 and 5800 xt need to trade blows with a 2080 or 2080 super across the board and come in at $599 max... ideally ... $499. I will buy one instantly the moment I see benches match a 2080 super in a lot of games, doesn't have to be all, just a lot.

Yeah, it looks like RX 5800 at $499 and RX 5800 XT at $599, basically undercutting the 2070 Super and 2080 Super by $100.

 

[lexluthermiester]

as a 1440p high refresh gamer, the 5800 and 5800 xt need to trade blows with a 2080 or 2080 super across the board and come in at $599 max... ideally ... $499. I will buy one instantly the moment I see benches match a 2080 super in a lot of games, doesn't have to be all, just a lot.

It might. The 5700xt came close in some games/benchmarks.

 

[Space Lynx]

Yeah, it looks like RX 5800 at $499 and RX 5800 XT at $599, basically undercutting the 2070 Super and 2080 Super by $100.

I just wish they (Lisa Su) could be more up front on expected initial stock on 5800 XT, I really don't want to wait any longer for my new build, especially since AMD is giving away more free games as of today with purchase.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Expect limited availability. That's how it always goes.

 

[Xajel]

kinda sad to see HBM not becoming the norm.
I would think that today the HBM memory used in the Fury X cards would be cheap(er) so they could slap that on everything but guess not.

If they want to make it a mainstream GPU then GDDR makes more sense, HBM -at least for now- is more tailored for professional and high-end usage. They just needed to optimise the GPU to require less memory bandwidth, NV has been doing this for years, HBM while superior, the requirement for Silicon interposer rises the price significantly, if you can bring the same performance with GDDR then it's better as it either means lower prices for the user or better performance at the same price (AMD can use the extra cost of the interposer to have better GPU).

 

[Chrispy_]

kinda sad to see HBM not becoming the norm.
I would think that today the HBM memory used in the Fury X cards would be cheap(er) so they could slap that on everything but guess not.

HBM2 manufacturing issues are one of the main reasons Vega was a disappointment. It was unfortunately launched during the cryptocurrency boom, so manufacturing delays and availability issues exacerbated already high demand and the price/availability was horrendous for most of its retail lifespan. It wasn't helped by the poor HBM2 availability severely delaying the AIB cards, an important factor because the stock blowers on Vega 56 and 64 were way too noisy - and I'm saying that as someone who's generally tolerant of blower coolers.

Finally once HBM2 supply issues were ironed out, the cyrptocurrency market collapsed and AMD were already shifting vega production to TSMC 7nm for the VII and their server compute range.

I held on to Vega56 at home because of a freesync monitor but Nvidia caved and adopted the VESA VRR standard so even that reason was taken away for picking up a Vega card. I'm currently testing a 5700XT and with undervolting I'm seriously impressed by it. That's saying a lot having just removed a Quadro RTX 6000 and Titan RTX from the machine. I may actually sell my own RTX 2060 and keep this 5700XT. HBM2 would only serve to jack up the prices of Navi and it's doing just fine with the GDDR6 at the moment.

 

[StudMuffin]

If all you want is "healthy competitioon" then why are you trying to excuse AMD's poor drivers for Navi's launch on "it must be trolls/liars/overblown" and push your annecdotal experience as fact? That kind of blind fanboyism will only hold healthy cometition back, not push it forward.

Many reviewers and users have had problems with Navi's drivers since launch. Many people still dont have working freesync, or blackscreen crash issues. This is reminiscint of AMD's driver problems back in the late 2000s, you know, the ones that persisted over the course of months? Those driver ssues are why fermi sold so well despite being hot garbage, AMD was just too unstable/unpredictable.

AMD was getting a lot better, but that largely is due ot them pushing the same architecture for 7 years straight. They had plenty of time to iron the bugs out, now they are back to finding bugs and taking months to fix them. These drivers would undermine the launch of a hypothetical 5800/5900XT card. AMD should absolutely be held accountable for these problems, lest t hey think letting the community hang out to dry is acceptable (again).

Look in the mirror bro, its your inner fanboyism to...let me guess?? The green team?...that has blinded you so much that you've begun to believe your own tainted assumptions of some other brand of GPUs that you have some sort of inner hatred towards. How about this...grow the F up and just be happy that AMD is putting heat on your Green Team finally, so that maybe we'll see the same thing happen like how AMD pushed Intel to the brink with the CPU side of things, and we now all have more choices but even better, cheaper prices for more advanced CPU tech regardless if you shop for Intel or AMD cpus....its a win win. So instead of getting all uptight because some of us appreciate a company like AMD with a fraction of the R&D compared to Nvidia or Intel...yet AMD is beginning to go head to head with both CPU and GPU competitors... which, again, is a win win for all of us, including you, fool.

 

[springs113]

If all you want is "healthy competitioon" then why are you trying to excuse AMD's poor drivers for Navi's launch on "it must be trolls/liars/overblown" and push your annecdotal experience as fact? That kind of blind fanboyism will only hold healthy cometition back, not push it forward.

Many reviewers and users have had problems with Navi's drivers since launch. Many people still dont have working freesync, or blackscreen crash issues. This is reminiscint of AMD's driver problems back in the late 2000s, you know, the ones that persisted over the course of months? Those driver ssues are why fermi sold so well despite being hot garbage, AMD was just too unstable/unpredictable.

AMD was getting a lot better, but that largely is due ot them pushing the same architecture for 7 years straight. They had plenty of time to iron the bugs out, now they are back to finding bugs and taking months to fix them. These drivers would undermine the launch of a hypothetical 5800/5900XT card. AMD should absolutely be held accountable for these problems, lest t hey think letting the community hang out to dry is acceptable (again). No fanboy here, I have products from all the major players in my possession. It's funny how you try to single me out as a fanboy... for what? Because I voiced my opinion, you're part of the problem with the pc society. At the end of the day I will continue to enjoy my purchase and not expect any hiccups right? Funny, you know me. Toxic much!!!