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AMD "Raise the Game" Bundle Makes a Comeback

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my friend just bought a rx 5700 xt and a 3700x.

he will be pissed if i tell him.
 
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I wouldn't say Outta Worlds is a turd, it looks to be the only promising one, I'm not into borderlands games but that doesn't make BL3 bad or anything as well as Ghost recon. It's just every forum I go to now people on TPU have become naturally negative & egotistical, I'm all for constructive criticism.

Well I gotta say, the more I see of Outer Worlds, the more I get that distinct console virus vibe: a ridiculously oversimplified, grossly underwhelming experience if you have any previous knowledge of what a decent RPG should look like. Kinda like what happened to Mass Effect? Andromeda is exactly the same: if you've never seen the franchise before you might think its a cool game but if you did, you kinda do know better and it feels like a weak ripoff.

The No Man's Sky style graphics and UI don't help it, for one.

You're in part right about the negativism... I'm a sinner too... but at the same time, a lot of it is also justified. Its a sign of the times I think, and has a weird relation to Moore's Law being well, in a coma.
 
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I love AMD, but this feels like a slap in the face for those of us who'd shown tremendous support for AMD by buying their CPU/GPU at launch. It's like saying, "thanks for your support, early adopters, but we at AMD are leaving you out in the cold in favor of late adopters'.
Not really, these things come and go all the time. It's like there is (or should be) a law forbidding freebies if they're not available from day 1.
If anything, the lack of B550 is the slap in the face. But I digress.
 
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A lot of stupid complaining about something that is free. If you bought before, you lose nothing.
If you were/are planning to buy then you get a bonus of.. something that you didn't even plan on having beforehand, or best case scenario, something you were planning to buy separately (like Outer Worlds for me).
Nothing about this is bad or wrong for anyone.
 
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A lot of stupid complaining about something that is free. If you bought before, you lose nothing.
If you were/are planning to buy then you get a bonus of.. something that you didn't even plan on having beforehand, or best case scenario, something you were planning to buy separately (like Outer Worlds for me).
Nothing about this is bad or wrong for anyone.
It's definitely not free, it's rolled into the price. And I thought Vega64 was their current high end card for some stupid reason ha. I need Radeon VII then.
 
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Well I gotta say, the more I see of Outer Worlds, the more I get that distinct console virus vibe: a ridiculously oversimplified, grossly underwhelming experience if you have any previous knowledge of what a decent RPG should look like. Kinda like what happened to Mass Effect? Andromeda is exactly the same: if you've never seen the franchise before you might think its a cool game but if you did, you kinda do know better and it feels like a weak ripoff.

The No Man's Sky style graphics and UI don't help it, for one.

You're in part right about the negativism... I'm a sinner too... but at the same time, a lot of it is also justified. Its a sign of the times I think, and has a weird relation to Moore's Law being well, in a coma.
I dissagree, mores law Was in a coma, he just got rattled by an epyc rumble and will be nocked out of bed within two years but I guess you see it different.
And Amd didn't up the price, they're just pushing chips out the door soon and want the channel empty, it's textbook and i should have waited but it is also done by everyone Except Intel who gouge more each year for the SAME shit Still ,without any perks besides epean points.
Nvidia are also giving games away with GPU but i bet you have to spend more to get any.
 
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It's definitely not free, it's rolled into the price. And I thought Vega64 was their current high end card for some stupid reason ha. I need Radeon VII then.
Looks to me like you still pay the same amount for 3900x and you still get the games on top now.. kinda... like.. free!! huh
 

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Looks to me like you still pay the same amount for 3900x and you still get the games on top now.. kinda... like.. free!! huh
It's not free if it's contingent on forking out for a CPU ;)
It's a better deal than getting just the CPU though (unless you only get the limited Xbox pass).
 
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I dissagree, mores law Was in a coma, he just got rattled by an epyc rumble and will be nocked out of bed within two years but I guess you see it different.
And Amd didn't up the price, they're just pushing chips out the door soon and want the channel empty, it's textbook and i should have waited but it is also done by everyone Except Intel who gouge more each year for the SAME shit Still ,without any perks besides epean points.
Nvidia are also giving games away with GPU but i bet you have to spend more to get any.

Nah Im not seeing the reawakening like you do. Chiplet design is a nice jump. But it does not inherently give us faster CPUs. Just more cores. Meanwhile IPC has stalled completely and frequency hits a wall. Those core counts rely on spftware and workloads to play along.

Right now we use much more die space, even on 7nm to add a lot of cores. Is that Moore awake or just scaling up what we already had?

And what about GPU? Performance per mm2 has been pretty stagnant too.
 
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Looks to me like you still pay the same amount for 3900x and you still get the games on top now.. kinda... like.. free!! huh
It's a price reduction by giving you something for free. It's marketing. Not everyone is tricked by it though.
 
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tricked right.. jesus you people are beyond jaded. Or just brand.. "affiliated". To be polite. :)
 
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Nah Im not seeing the reawakening like you do. Chiplet design is a nice jump. But it does not inherently give us faster CPUs. Just more cores. Meanwhile IPC has stalled completely and frequency hits a wall. Those core counts rely on spftware and workloads to play along.

Right now we use much more die space, even on 7nm to add a lot of cores. Is that Moore awake or just scaling up what we already had?

And what about GPU? Performance per mm2 has been pretty stagnant too.
There are things afoot to leverage more Ipc ,l4 cache, Big cores , node reduction and hybrid functionality ,these will trickle down.

Personally I see the Gpu stagnation being Nvidias fault ironically, they chased performance With die space for years and now will struggle to maintain that lead on smaller nodes whereas AMD have kept to the same doubling of performance every three ish years within a manageable die space allowing easier progression.

Intel and arm might shake up the Gpu space too since they truly have the most opportunity to innovate.
Your just being pessimistic im the opposite , and tsmc provided proof anyway the nodes are still providing gains in density.
 

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tricked right.. jesus you people are beyond jaded. Or just brand.. "affiliated". To be polite. :)
It never crossed your mind those freebies are actually worth $0 for some, did it?
 
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It never crossed your mind those freebies are actually worth $0 for some, did it?
It never crossed yours that whether they're there or not it changes nothing. Perhaps you find the presence of a code redeem paper too taxing for your psyche. Suppose that's understandable :) You can always ask to have it removed since it's that huuuge an issue. Truly an earth shattering problem, better go order a 9900k. This bundle changes everything and these products now suck. It was exactly the same with that nvidia Control bundle a few weeks ago. Completely ruined those cards, i feel you.
 

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It never crossed yours that whether they're there or not it changes nothing. Perhaps you find the presence of a code redeem paper too taxing for your psyche. Suppose that's understandable :) You can always ask to have it removed since it's that huuuge an issue. Truly an earth shattering problem, better go order a 9900k. This bundle changes everything and these products now suck. It was exactly the same with that nvidia Control bundle a few weeks ago. Completely ruined those cards, i feel you.
Well, I wasn't complaining about the bundle to begin with. I just pointed out that the best seller gets nothing on top of the crappy Xbox bundle.
 
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It never crossed yours that whether they're there or not it changes nothing. Perhaps you find the presence of a code redeem paper too taxing for your psyche. Suppose that's understandable :) You can always ask to have it removed since it's that huuuge an issue. Truly an earth shattering problem, better go order a 9900k. This bundle changes everything and these products now suck. It was exactly the same with that nvidia Control bundle a few weeks ago. Completely ruined those cards, i feel you.

Way out of context, but you know that. You're right it changes nothing, and that is what most of us here are indirectly saying about this bundle. The bottom line is that the CPU is still too expensive for what it does for most prospective buyers. And the games don't change that.

So I think we're actually all in agreement here. You just translate it differently.

There are things afoot to leverage more Ipc ,l4 cache, Big cores , node reduction and hybrid functionality ,these will trickle down.

Personally I see the Gpu stagnation being Nvidias fault ironically, they chased performance With die space for years and now will struggle to maintain that lead on smaller nodes whereas AMD have kept to the same doubling of performance every three ish years within a manageable die space allowing easier progression.

Intel and arm might shake up the Gpu space too since they truly have the most opportunity to innovate.
Your just being pessimistic im the opposite , and tsmc provided proof anyway the nodes are still providing gains in density.

Spot on, yes, I'm being pessimistic. Let's see what happens :) Reason for pessimism: we've had a lot of 'this is going to reinforce Moore's Law' developments that turned out completely not feasible. In Zen's case, the biggest pitfall is latencies, so far so good, but at the same time, not flawless while the IPC / freq uplift isn't there at all - in fact - it seems to become increasingly difficult to keep higher frequencies below boiling point due to thermal density. Its getting increasingly hard to get more stuff done with the same amount of silicon. And just 'more silicon' is not Moore's Law, that's just more silicon.

In the end my reasoning is economy: if you need more chiplets or larger chips per CPU, you get less (good) CPUs per wafer, which kinda diminishes the cost advantage per wafer from shrinks.
 
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personally I wouldn't buy Any card or cpu just for the games , so its just a bonus meez tink :)
 
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