AMD Designing Zen 4 for 2021, Zen 3 Completes Design Phase, out in 2020

[ToxicTaZ]

What are you stuck on? Intel’s recent statement saying they are still marginally better without saying marginally?

As an owner of both the 3900X and 9900K and a very frequent high refresh gamer I can say if I had to get rid of both and build 1 new system I build with the 3900X or 3700X. Really the 9900K gets dragged through the dirt in heavily threaded apps. In games, when running tweaked memory I can close in on and often beat the 9900K. The 3900X and 9900K are so close in high refresh gaming running tweaked RAM that it could easily pass a blind test.

I could never get down with high refresh gaming performance of Zen and Zen+ but Zen2 is it and it’s funny because it’s doing it several hundred MHz under Intel and when I need to get work done the 24 threaded 3900X shames the 9900K.

3900X is not even a true 12 cores CPU but two 6 cores CPUs working together. 3900X is a gaming power hog!

9900KS is out soon!

 

[kapone32]

3900X is not even a true 12 cores CPU but two 6 cores CPUs working together. 3900X is a gaming power hog!

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You are truly showing your colours. Looking at 395W for a 12 core (let's use your reasoning 2 6 cores) vs 364W for the 6 core 9700K so using your basis that is another 6 core CPU at the cost of 31W. DId you look at the fact that the 2600x (6 cores) uses 3 more watts? Regardless of how you or anyone else tries to colour the current AM4 3000 series CPUs the facts remain that they are excellent CPUs. So much so that the 3900x has been sold out for the last 2 weeks on every vendor. In fact the 3900X is faster than the 2920X which is no joke either.

 

[B_Bang]

3900X is not even a true 12 cores CPU but two 6 cores CPUs working together. 3900X is a gaming power hog!

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As a gamer I don't give a damn about power consumption.

 

[Super XP]

As a gamer I don't give a damn about power consumption.

AGREED.

It seems people can't face the FACT AMD WON the CPU wars, and Intel is doing anything to distract ZEN, ZEN+ & ZEN2's success, including future ZEN's coming.
Its quite pathetic actually, seeing a company, Intel continue to manipulate and spread BS. Hope AMD keeps piling on pressure, competition and takes as much market share as possible.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

AGREED.

It seems people can't face the FACT AMD WON the CPU wars, and Intel is doing anything to distract ZEN, ZEN+ & ZEN2's success, including future ZEN's coming.
Its quite pathetic actually, seeing a company, Intel continue to manipulate and spread BS. Hope AMD keeps piling on pressure, competition and takes as much market share as possible.

Huh?

Coffeelake & Coffeelake Refresh blows away Zen & Zen+ in almost everything!

Spreading BS would be people trying to say otherwise! Benchmarks and reviews are everywhere!

Yes Intel doesn't have anything to compete against Zen2 yet... then again ZEN2 is basically on power with 8700K and 9700K/9900K with a cheaper price point!

9900KS is out very soon will blow away 3800X

 

[Super XP]

Huh?

Coffeelake & Coffeelake Refresh blows away Zen & Zen+ in almost everything!

Spreading BS would be people trying to say otherwise! Benchmarks and reviews are everywhere!

Yes Intel doesn't have anything to compete against Zen2 yet... then again ZEN2 is basically on power with 8700K and 9700K/9900K with a cheaper price point!

9900KS is out very soon will blow away 3800X

No BS just stating HARD FACTS.

 

[Super XP]

Lets all thank AMD for strong competition, because CPU prices are coming down.

Intel (NASDAQ: INTC) Guts CPU Pricing In First Major Response To AMD (NASDAQ: AMD)

For the first time in almost a decade, Intel has reacted to a competitor and significantly slashed prices of its CPUs.

wccftech.com

 

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Lets all thank AMD for strong competition, because CPU prices are coming down.

Intel (NASDAQ: INTC) Guts CPU Pricing In First Major Response To AMD (NASDAQ: AMD)

For the first time in almost a decade, Intel has reacted to a competitor and significantly slashed prices of its CPUs.

wccftech.com

To nitpick, the prices are still close to $1k for the fastest CPU. But we get a lot more CPU for the money today.
So thanks, AMD. Keep up the good job.

 

[Super XP]

Not to mention Intel CPU's suffer from major malware & security issues, such as RIDL attack, the Fallout attack, ZombieLoad exploit, Meltdown security vulnerability, secret-spilling flaw, Foreshadow Flaw, Spectre exploit, Spoiler Flaw, NetCAT security vulnerability and several more.
Almost every single month we hear more and more new vulnerabilities being found with all Intel CPU's even those dated back to 2008+.

One of Intel's mitigation strategies is a software update that disabling hyperthreading. So what's the point in buying a Multi-Core Intel CPU with Hyperthreading disabled? So purchase a 8 threaded but only utilize 4 threads.

Intel took Design Shortcuts to squeeze out more performance, and got caught for it. And hopefully they pay large for this nonsense.

NOTE: AMD NOT IMPACTED!!!!

To nitpick, the prices are still close to $1k for the fastest CPU. But we get a lot more CPU for the money today.
So thanks, AMD. Keep up the good job.

Agreed.
It's great to have 2 companies competing in a fair manner. Intel took advantage of the Bulldozer era far too long with very high priced CPU's that should never have been that high in price. Glad to see ZEN making a huge impact and gaining market share. FINALLY...

 

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Not to mention Intel CPU's suffer from major malware & security issues, such as RIDL attack, the Fallout attack, ZombieLoad exploit, Meltdown security vulnerability, secret-spilling flaw, Foreshadow Flaw, Spectre exploit, Spoiler Flaw, NetCAT security vulnerability and several more.
Almost every single month we hear more and more new vulnerabilities being found with all Intel CPU's even those dated back to 2008+.

One of Intel's mitigation strategies is a software update that disabling hyperthreading. So what's the point in buying a Multi-Core Intel CPU with Hyperthreading disabled? So purchase a 8 threaded but only utilize 4 threads.

Intel took Design Shortcuts to squeeze out more performance, and got caught for it. And hopefully they pay large for this nonsense.

NOTE: AMD NOT IMPACTED!!!!

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/product-security

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[kapone32]

As we can see with the drop in Cascade Lake vs the previous gen that Intel is finally relenting and changing their price structure. AMD is still ahead though as we will start to see new CPUs from them like the 3900 and 3500 and who knows what else. Then there is the promise of updated Zen chips next year and a fully fledged Navi Vega replacement. Even in the low end as well for Polaris. I expect that AMD will have positive quarters well into 2020.