Silicon Lottery Announces Plans to Bin AMD Ryzen 9 3950X and Intel Core i9 9900KS Chips

[R-T-B]

I mean... I totally get why that's sold out -.-

I do too. It's called bragging rights. Performance got nothing to do with it.

Yes, I suffered from it once too.

 

[bogami]

So it's not a crime to have someone change your car when you buy and you get bad at your expense! you are so blind! First class criminals !, like factories that check processors before assembly again at the expense of the customer, are robbing you behind your back, and now it's legal ! in a suit with a tie he laughs you in the face and robs you and lies with a worse product. Where do you have your mind?

You know why nobody is chasing them??? Because there is absolutely no crime being committed here. Eh

 

[R-T-B]

You also have to keep in mind, that they bin by SSE load, not by AVX load.

They bin by realbench which I am pretty sure is AVX enabled now.

That said, they DO use a -2 AVX offset.

This business group is a common scammer who opens an originally sealed product, thereby violating contractual obligations from Intel to customers. In this crime, they violate many of the terms of sale and make a profit at the expense of customers who do not know that the product must be originally closed at purchase! The chips that did not show the desired results are then resold in open packages and also are manipulated the sale price at the time of purchase in their own favor. Such are the criminals who go to prison for me! Yes friends have been the victims of these thieves on the market and if the product is open you can return it as far as I know. I wonder why no one is chasing these kind of profiteers ! These businessmen are ordinary scammers, and I don't know why Intel does not step on their toes !

Their whole ebay account sells the surplus chips fully admitting they didn't make a great bin, and they still warranty it themselves to make stock or their own claimed clocks. They are also sold on ebay at a discount, because they are known subpar chips.

Not sure what your issue with that is, frankly.

 

[EarthDog]

So it's not a crime to have someone change your car when you buy and you get bad at your expense! you are so blind! First class criminals !, like factories that check processors before assembly again at the expense of the customer, are robbing you behind your back, and now it's legal ! in a suit with a tie he laughs you in the face and robs you and lies with a worse product. Where do you have your mind?

Your analogy isnt applicable. Nice try though.

It'd not a crime to do what they are doing. You're being ridiculous...

They bin by realbench which I am pretty sure is AVX enabled now.

That said, they DO use a -2 AVX offset.



Their whole ebay account sells the surplus chips fully admitting they didn't make a great bin, and they still warranty it themselves to make stock or their own claimed clocks. They are also sold on ebay at a discount, because they are known subpar chips.

Not sure what your issue with that is, frankly.

The issue is ignorance. I mean, this isnt a crime.. maybe in a metaphoric toddler throwing a tantrum because it exists way is it crime? I dunno...

 

[sumludus]

As someone who doesn't overclock, I love the fact that there's a company who will sell me a processor at a $20-$30 loss because it doesn't overclock well. As long as there are people who are willing to pay top dollar well beyond the point of diminishing returns, us bottom-feeders will be able to reap the performance/dollar rewards.

 

[E-curbi]

5.9Gigglehurtz single core boost.

ambient air cooling

How far will it go before it crashes? i dunno.

I'll keep plugging in those numbers - see what happens...

------

6.0Ghz single-core boost CRASHED.

oh well.

 

[R-T-B]

As someone who doesn't overclock, I love the fact that there's a company who will sell me a processor at a $20-$30 loss because it doesn't overclock well. As long as there are people who are willing to pay top dollar well beyond the point of diminishing returns, us bottom-feeders will be able to reap the performance/dollar rewards.

I'm greatly amused that eiderman somehow found this post upsetting... lol

 

[Slizzo]

My 7820X is from SL. Honestly I am quite happy with my purchase. I got it at around $500, and it's binned for 4.8GHz while also being relidded with liquid metal. So that's two things I don't have to care so much about.

Currently singing along at 4.8GHz all core and 3.2GHz mesh.

 

[Space Lynx]

they said they were going to bin Ryzen 3700x and 3900x chips too, but changed their mind like 3 weeks after launch. I mean I could care less at this point anyway

 

[mcraygsx]

For $513 it is very expensive piece of silicon since you have to spend another $100+ for a decent Cooler to control the TEMPS with this TDP rating.
I was very surprised to find out that it only come with One-year warranty!!! I hope this is a mistake and it comes with 3 year warranty just like regular COFFEE LAKE processors. I am sure there is a pretty good reason behind One year Warranty.

 

[AsRock]

Dislike this shit, even more so when the item is limited.

 

[notb]

For $513 it is very expensive piece of silicon since you have to spend another $100+ for a decent Cooler to control the TEMPS with this TDP rating.
I was very surprised to find out that it only come with One-year warranty!!! I hope this is a mistake and it comes with 3 year warranty just like regular COFFEE LAKE processors. I am sure there is a pretty good reason behind One year Warranty.

No, SL offers one year warranty - which is the standard in US.

The reason is very simple.
If they give you 3 year warranty and the CPU goes down after 2.5 years, they'd have to provide one at least as good (binned for the same clocks or higher).

You have to think about the cost of keeping inventory in case of warranty returns.

For Intel it's minimal. They pay $200 to make a $500 CPU. And as time goes by, they can decrease the stock by releasing these CPUs to market.
So usually nothing will be left in the end and most CPUs are sold with some profit.

For SL the cost of inventory is huge. They pay the tray price (which is just slighly lower than MSRP). They have to bin (and sometimes delid), which adds further costs.
Some CPUs end up good and some not so good.
So for every good CPU (that they can sell for i.e. $700) they have few bad ones that are already less interesting than Intel BOX.
And after 3 years they'll still have these old CPUs that they'll have to sell at a huge loss, because by that time Intel will be selling them for $300.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm greatly amused that eiderman somehow found this post upsetting... lol

It is truly mind boggling isn't it? This harms absolutely nobody, can benefit enthusiasts, overclockers, and even budget conscious (those who dont care about overclocking and can save a few quid) on the back end. Yet, it is a "Crime" and people dislike they can get poor clockers cheaper??? WTH is wrong with people and the world?!!!

 

[Slizzo]

No, SL offers one year warranty - which is the standard in US.

The reason is very simple.
If they give you 3 year warranty and the CPU goes down after 2.5 years, they'd have to provide one at least as good (binned for the same clocks or higher).

You have to think about the cost of keeping inventory in case of warranty returns.

For Intel it's minimal. They pay $200 to make a $500 CPU. And as time goes by, they can decrease the stock by releasing these CPUs to market.
So usually nothing will be left in the end and most CPUs are sold with some profit.

For SL the cost of inventory is huge. They pay the tray price (which is just slighly lower than MSRP). They have to bin (and sometimes delid), which adds further costs.
Some CPUs end up good and some not so good.
So for every good CPU (that they can sell for i.e. $700) they have few bad ones that are already less interesting than Intel BOX.
And after 3 years they'll still have these old CPUs that they'll have to sell at a huge loss, because by that time Intel will be selling them for $300.

Intel is offering a 1 year warranty on the 9900KS boxed processor. I believe that's what the guy you were quoting was stating.

 

[Jism]

they said they were going to bin Ryzen 3700x and 3900x chips too, but changed their mind like 3 weeks after launch. I mean I could care less at this point anyway

It's because these where pretty much at their toes thanks to AMD. It makes no sense to re-bin a CPU that's already bin binned by the creator to close to it's maximum.

Same you see with GPU's these days. They are binned exactly where they wont be exceeding the efficiency curve. Once you start OC'ing, that efficiency goes through the roof.

 

[E-curbi]

I post in these cpu binning threads because newcomers new enthusiasts don't know that a CPU binned at 5.3Ghz

Can also:

-Run a stable daily 5.4Ghz all cores all threads
-Run a stable daily 5.5Ghz all cores all threads
-Run a working application* and Win 10 OS stable 5.6Ghz with hyperthreading disabled
-Run a stable 5.6Ghz single core turbo boost [5.6Ghz 5.5 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.2] set up using per-core clock speeds in bios.
-Run every capable clock speed at much lower voltage

*dependent on work app load

Then of course there are the impractical OC profiles you can play around with, yet are extremely unstable:

5.8Ghz single core per-core boost
5.9Ghz single core per-core boost

-The Many Advantages of Super-Efficient Silicon

All these profiles first attempted with Noctua air cooling fan running at 1200rpm.

Once established these profiles above can be run with CPU cooling fan at 700rpm (inaudible) YES, 5.6GHz inaudible IS available in 2019 with certain specific components.

Yes, these are only results of a single binned CPU and of course Your Mileage May Vary, but keeping an open mind to all the possibilities is indeed a large part of achieving these super low latency ultra responsive OC profiles. Don't close down and believe when buying a CPU binned at 5.3Ghz that 5.3 is all it has to offer. And yes you will need a performance motherboard that costs more. The binned CPUs extra added bonus feature is the binned IMC which can allow you to run super low latency high speed memory modules, and YES they also cost more. But hey, once you've assembled all three key components ahhhhh every working day in the home office is pure BLISS. Those keystrokes simply FLY faster than you can think.

Not for every computer, every use case, I realize that.

I grabbed a binned CPU in June 2018, the performance overclocking 2-dimm slot motherboard February 2019, the superfast low latency 4600Mhz ddr4 modules in May 2019, spreading out the costs over 12months so it wasn't so bad at all.

Yea, I could post a zillion screenshots but I'm fairly certain the TPU regulars are beyond sick of seeing those. lol

Helping newcomers make a decision or at least know what's out there, what's available - is still important, and especially those with questions while attempting to create a home office.


...One last thought: The folks at Siliconlottery.com do not mention all the other possible "above and beyond" overclocking profiles available to say a 5.3Ghz binned CPU for the simple reason they cannot guarantee any OC profile beyond what they have tested.

They're running a business, and that makes perfect sense.

 

[EarthDog]

Run a stable daily 5.4Ghz all cores all threads
-Run a stable daily 5.5Ghz all cores all threads
-Run a working application* and Win 10 OS stable 5.6Ghz with hyperthreading disabled
-Run a stable 5.6Ghz single core turbo boost [5.6Ghz 5.5 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.2] set up using per-core clock speeds in bios.

Good luck with that, even on their top binned unit this isnt likely. Its putting a carrot out there most cant reach...even with a top bin.

 

[notb]

Intel is offering a 1 year warranty on the 9900KS boxed processor. I believe that's what the guy you were quoting was stating.

It may do so in US. In EU (and other places as well) they'll still have to be covered for 2 years.

 

[E-curbi]

Holy Frijole! 9900KS binned at 5.2Ghz!

That's fast like Speedy Gonzales!

Here's a 5.6Ghz CPU-Z Single Thread Benchmark (screenshot below) I ran today on ambient air.

Scored 676.8

“The cake is not a lie!”

Have to turn off hyperthreading after 5.5Ghz, 5.6Ghz will only run with 6threads active.