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[nguyen]

I mean, if you keep linking enthusiast sites of course more overclock there than every dick, tom, and jane. But you need to realize that enthusiasts sites (and enthusiasts) are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to total PC users. A majority of all PC users don't touch the fucking box except to power it on and off. That is a fact like the sun comes up in the East, my dude. If more people overclocked, forums like this and OCN, OCF, etc wouldn't be in decline.

Don't let such biased information skew your perception of the big picture/reality.

I guess you are not smart enough to understand I wasn't talking about non gaming related PC then. Are you gonna stick a couple hundred dollars CPU and GPU into an office PC ?
and again if you think most people dont overclock their gaming rig, give me proof, don't go anti vaxx on me here.

 

[EarthDog]

I guess you are not smart enough to understand I wasn't talking about non gaming related PC then. Are you gonna stick a couple hundred dollars CPU and GPU into an office PC ?

LOL, I wasn't talking about office PCs either. I'm talking home users in general. I can honestly count on two hands the people I know who have what many would consider to be a 'gaming' PC and literally only touch the power button. Now, that isn't The Gospel, I get it, but the fact remains most users do not overclock their PC.

Anyway, this is a bit off topic and you are throwing out insults for no reason... so GL to you.

 

[nguyen]

LOL, I wasn't talking about office PCs either. I'm talking home users in general. I can honestly count on two hands the people I know who have what many would consider to be a 'gaming' PC and literally only touch the power button. Now, that isn't The Gospel, I get it, but the fact remains most users do not overclock their PC.

Anyway, this is a bit off topic and you are throwing out insults for no reason... so GL to you.

funny that your only proof are you and people you know, are you anti vax by any chance ?

 

[EarthDog]

funny that your only proof are you and people you know, are you anti vax by any chance ?

And now you are simply trolling...

I specifically said that isn't the gospel... I know that means little... but your myopic outlook is is skewing the greater perception and reality. You can move the goal posts to fit your story.. IDGAF.

Now, I leave this thread and let you continue on with whatever you are trying to accomplish here.

 

[kapone32]

funny that your only proof are you and people you know, are you anti vax by any chance ?

Earth Dog is totally correct. I do builds for clients all the time as my side hobby.In the last year not one of those clients has asked me to put an OC on their machines. As it stands it takes knowledge of what you are doing to OC. We are the cream at the top of the latte. It is is just like how most computers on Steam have Intel GPUs.

 

[nguyen]

And now you are simply trolling...

I specifically said that isn't the gospel... I know that means little... but your myopic outlook is is skewing the greater perception and reality. You can move the goal posts to fit your story.. IDGAF.

Now, I leave this thread and let you continue on with whatever you are trying to accomplish here.

I don't know who is trolling here, guy who back up their claims with proof or someone posting random info without any proof.

Earth Dog is totally correct. I do builds for clients all the time as my side hobby.In the last year not one of those clients has asked me to put an OC on their machines. As it stands it takes knowledge of what you are doing to OC. We are the cream at the top of the latte. It is is just like how most computers on Steam have Intel GPUs.

Does it occur to you that people can figure that out themselves ? overclocking is simple even a 10 year old can do it following some simple online guides. I did overclock (and deliding) on every builts for friends and family.

 

[64K]

I did overclock (and deliding) on every builts for friends and family.

But would your friends and family have an OC and delidded CPU PC if not for you? Would they have bothered to learn how and then done that?

 

[nguyen]

But would your friends and family have an OC and delidded PC if not for you? Would they have bothered to learn how and then done that?

Yes, infact my friend got into PC and built a custom water cooled rig before me (Singularity case, custom cable sleeves). I delided for him and he bent Acrylic tubes for me (just getting into hard tubes).

 

[kapone32]

I don't know who is trolling here, guy who back up their claims with proof or someone posting random info without any proof.



Does it occur to you that people can figure that out themselves ? overclocking is simple even a 10 year old can do it following some simple online guides. I did overclock (and deliding) on every builts for friends and family.

Following online guides? Anything can seem simple when watching it on a video. Maybe you have a brain that can absorb those things or maybe you have a photographic memory or something. So how does BCLK effect OC? I distinctly remember that every Youtube video I watched told people to set 1st and 2nd Gen Ryzen parts to 1.4 (even reviews) for OC. I by myself learned that 1.3 was more than enough voltage to get a decent OC. What actually happens when you OC a CPU?

 

[nguyen]

Following online guides? Anything can seem simple when watching it on a video. Maybe you have a brain that can absorb those things or maybe you have a photographic memory or something. So how does BCLK effect OC? I distinctly remember that every Youtube video I watched told people to set 1st and 2nd Gen Ryzen parts to 1.4 (even reviews) for OC. I by myself learned that 1.3 was more than enough voltage to get a decent OC. What actually happens when you OC a CPU?

Yeah I have been following simple overclocking guides since I was 15 buddy (2002 era). Did some pencils mod or even destroy some 650usd GPU (7950GX2, overtight cooler that chipped the GPU).

Built a Ryzen 1700 for a friend that couldn't reach 3.9Ghz 1.4vcore. BCLK will destabilizes your Sata ports so yeah just stay away from it.

FYI my friend who didn't know a thing about building PC built his own custom water cooling rig with hard tubes 2 years after I built his first air cooled PC. Where did he learned it ? Youtube (jayztwocents and bitwit, etc...). Now you are telling me clicking some auto OC features is too hard ? (Nvidia OC scanner)

 

[Ahhzz]

No insults, no attacks, and back off the trolling. If you have a problem with someone's response, you have several options, 3 of which are acceptable:

1. Examine their response and see if the problem is you misread it, misinterpreted it, or are just being too sensitive. If so, deal with it like an adult and respond sensibly or move on. Otherwise, see 2 or 3 below.
2. Examine their post to see if it's against forums guidelines. Actually against guidelines. Not just something you don't like or agree with. If so, report it. Otherwise, move to 3.
3. Ignore them. Literally. With a button.

Anything else really isn't accepted. We don't really care much about staying in your lane, but keep it between the white lines or your driving privileges get curtailed.

 

[Casecutter]

With a TU106 at 445 mm² I would like to know how that p/chip cost works out against the Navi 10 at 251 mm². Given Navi 10 is on a 7nm process it's busting on a chip that's 77% larger! Even if the 7mn wafer is twice the cost to manufacture (which I wouldn't put it that high) the p/chip cost based on yield is probably much better. The larger the chip the more non-perfect parts are harvested and why Nvidia as three (3) Shaders/TMUs/ROPs specs and then further dissected on clock/power. I think Navi 10 and 7nm has AMD winning on the process and cost/chip, something the TU106 can't give back to Nvidia and why a 2060 Super has to hold a stratospheric $400 pricing

 

[nguyen]

With a TU106 at 445 mm² I would like to know how that p/chip cost works out against the Navi 10 at 251 mm². Given Navi 10 is on a 7nm process it's busting on a chip that's 77% larger! Even if the 7mn wafer is twice the cost to manufacture (which I wouldn't put it that high) the p/chip cost based on yield is probably much better. The larger the chip the more non-perfect parts are harvested and why Nvidia as three (3) Shaders/TMUs/ROPs specs and then further dissected on clock/power. I think Navi 10 and 7nm has AMD winning on the process and cost/chip, something the TU106 can't give back to Nvidia and why a 2060 Super has to hold a stratospheric $400 pricing

Vega 56 is 495mm2 plus HBM2 cost and AMD still happily sell them for 300usd or less. Nvidia just likes to maintain a higher profit margin, also software developement (RTX/DLSS) cost money.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Yeah people that think Nvidia's Turing being large chips on a older (read: cheaper) node are suffering cost wise are... delusional.

 

[Casecutter]

Yea paying game developers to add rudimentary and basically proprietary ray-tracing to justify the additional chip resources/real estate is an upfront cost some are willing to subsidize.

I think if you look at the math even if a 7nm wafer cost twice and much, while it total number of actual chips is theoretically 75% improved, p/cost is perhaps 10-15% lower. That said actual yield of usable binned chips verse scrap would have those with manufacturing background further understanding such merits.

 

[nguyen]

Yea paying game developers to add rudimentary and basically proprietary ray-tracing to justify the additional chip resources/real estate is an upfront cost some are willing to subsidize.

I think if you look at the math even if a 7nm wafer cost twice and much, while it total number of actual chips is theoretically 75% improved, p/cost is perhaps 10-15% lower. That said actual yield of usable binned chips verse scrap would have those with manufacturing background further understanding such merits.

The slide you are talking about actually said cost per yielded square, that means it already take yield into the equation. A perfect 250mm2 die on 7nm cost 2x as much as 250mm2 on 16/12nm. One thing for certain is AMD is getting better profit margin on Navi than they did with Polaris/Vega and that is good for them.