New Date for AMD's Announcement of 3rd Gen Ryzen Threadripper - November 7th

[Raevenlord]

It's sort of a goalpost-moving world, but according to Videocardz, AMD has apparently scrapped plans to announce their new Ryzen Threadripper lineup for today, November 5th, and has since scheduled the announcement for November 7th. The website cites sources close to AMD's plans as a way to add credence to their report. This writer, for one, thinks an announcement on a day other than a 7th would be a missed opportunity, flavor-wise, considering the 7 nm manufacturing process of the new AMD HEDT lineup, but I digress.

As far as is known, all other plans are kept, including the announcement of three new processors: the Threadripper 3960X and 3970X, which will hit shelves come November 19th, when the review embargo lifts; and the Threadripper 3990X, which will only be available come January 2020. The new TRX40 platform and motherboards based on the design will also be showcased, and there should be a myriad of new product announcements on that front to accompany AMD's new products.



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[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

This would be great for streamers that wanted to do a single pc setup.

 

[dj-electric]

This would be great for streamers that wanted to do a single pc setup.

No single PC for streamer needs 24 cores and 48 threads. The 3900X does above and beyond to supply a flawless 1080P60 stream.

 

[hellrazor]

Wait, was it not November 7th?

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

True it doesnt. But for anyone that may want to assign x amount of cores to OBS and the rest to their games, they can. And if they edit their footage to publish to YT, then they have a CPU capable.

I can see swifty trying to put this in a server rack with 2 titans again and somewhat failing. But he's an extreme example.

 

[dj-electric]

True it doesnt. But for anyone that may want to assign x amount of cores to OBS and the rest to their games, they can. And if they edit their footage to publish to YT, then they have a CPU capable.

I can see swifty trying to put this in a server rack with 2 titans again and somewhat failing. But he's an extreme example.

Streaming a game like WoW that you can literally do in one PC with a 6 core and a GTX 1660 machine is more than extreme, its beyond our understanding.

Regarding Nov 7th - what i can tell is that more details will be known, for a further date release, about all sorts of stuff. Worth the wait.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Streaming a game like WoW that you can literally do in one PC with a 6 core and a GTX 1660 machine is more than extreme, its beyond our understanding.

Apparently youve never met a multiboxer.

 

[eidairaman1]

Apparently youve never met a multiboxer.

Don't worry about him he is just begging the question like a certain kind of people in the US.

 

[Ruru]

Personally I don't even have the slightest idea how they make the setup of two PCs for streaming. When I streamed, GTX 980's NVENC got the job well done enough. Later on I used software encoding with R5 2600.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Because it's prettier and doesn't impact the game performance at all. GPUs cut more corners to encode than CPUs do.

 

[Ruru]

Because it's prettier and doesn't impact the game performance at all. GPUs cut more corners to encode than CPUs do.

Well, I'm pretty sure that the maximum of 50 watchers didn't care that much. My interwebz connection (4G LTE from phone to USB WLAN dongle) is more a bottleneck than my hardware has ever been for streaming.

 

[TechLurker]

I wonder if this also includes the 3950X for AM4. I'd really love to know how much better binned/optimized it is over the 3900X and 3800X to have delayed it this long.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Because it's prettier and doesn't impact the game performance at all. GPUs cut more corners to encode than CPUs do.

To be fair though, I dont have a problem streaming with my setup.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

To be fair though, I dont have a problem streaming with my setup.

Bare in mind that most streamers using a separate encoding computer are also doing things like picture-in-picture with OBS/FFMPEG. They're taking the raw stream from more than one source and encoding them together at a high quality level.

 

[dicktracy]

This would be great for streamers that wanted to do a single pc setup.

Streamers will be better off with either using NVENC or the 9900k. NVENC is most likely the choice since Nvidia pretty much dominates the PC gaming world.

 

[thesmokingman]

NVENC is the good stuff. I wish AMD would get on the encoding train sooner than later. Their support is terrible.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Streamers will be better off with either using NVENC or the 9900k. NVENC is most likely the choice since Nvidia pretty much dominates the PC gaming world.

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A lot are waiting for the 3950X, to be honest (needs 16 cores for 60 fps, no dips). Also, most aren't using x264 fast, they're using x264 veryslow to get the best quality.

NVENC is the good stuff. I wish AMD would get on the encoding train sooner than later. Their support is terrible.

ReLive/AMF. FFMPEG now has crude support for AMF on Windows.

 

[thesmokingman]

ReLive/AMF. FFMPEG now has crude support for AMF on Windows.

And? Support is shite on AMD side.

 

[HTC]

Streamers will be better off with either using NVENC or the 9900k. NVENC is most likely the choice since Nvidia pretty much dominates the PC gaming world.

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And how's the experience of the recorded stream? A good experience streaming WHILE playing is useless if the stream is choppy.

The graph shown is only part of the equation: the other part is required to make a proper judgement.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

And? Support is shite on AMD side.

Blame FFMPEG devs. They don't have much interest in supporting AMF and everything to do with video conversion usually relies on FFMPEG.

 

[thesmokingman]

Blame FFMPEG devs. They don't have much interest in supporting AMF and everything to do with video conversion usually relies on FFMPEG.

I'm blaming AMD, you got a problem with that? You don't cross your fingers and hope the ecosystem adopts your process...

 

[ZoneDymo]

No single PC for streamer needs 24 cores and 48 threads. The 3900X does above and beyond to supply a flawless 1080P60 stream.

ehhhhh no, 1080p at medium to slow or heck, placebo, that needs a lot of cpu power.

Streamers will be better off with either using NVENC or the 9900k. NVENC is most likely the choice since Nvidia pretty much dominates the PC gaming world.

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Interesting graph, pretty much all sources I ever heard (including GN) state AMD Ryzen is far better and takes much less of a hit when livestreaming so not sure about this one you linked.
Intel can work well but apparently you have to do some stuff before that happens.

With Nvenc, I mean sure I guess, idk the exact quality restrictions or performance hit of that.
If you use Nvenc and stream at the highest quality (which idk what that is even equal to in x264) at 1080p 60fps, what performance hit would you get?

I'm blaming AMD, you got a problem with that? You don't cross your fingers and hope the ecosystem adopts your process...

Well... I mean... what do you want then? AMD to spend tons of cash to force people to do things their way? pretty sure that would not be to your liking either.
Plenty of tech in the past relied on people adopting it, I dont really blame the tech if that does not happen.
PS3's very different cpu.
AMD Mantle (now Vulcan)
Nvidia Gsync
Lucid Hydra

etc etc etc, I welcome innovation and as a company you can only do so much to get it to stick without becoming a complete dictator.

 

[thesmokingman]

Well... I mean... what do you want then? AMD to spend tons of cash to force people to do things their way? pretty sure that would not be to your liking either.
Plenty of tech in the past relied on people adopting it, I dont really blame the tech if that does not happen.
PS3's very different cpu.
AMD Mantle (now Vulcan)
Nvidia Gsync
Lucid Hydra

etc etc etc, I welcome innovation and as a company you can only do so much to get it to stick without becoming a complete dictator.

Is it that freaking hard to support the products you make? Really? The stuff you mention had to have money and people behind to get support. Ya think Mantle became DX12/Vulkan on its own?

Nv puts money and people on NVENC. AMD has like 2 guys sitting there twiddling their thumbs. And ya wonder why NVENC has great support and AMD, has jack for support. Radeon VII, it's a freaking great powerhaus compute card but has zero purpose... because nothing really supports its capabilities. Ridiculous! Stop making excuses for them, this is why they shit support in major apps for their cards.

 

[PerfectWave]

Is it that freaking hard to support the products you make? Really? The stuff you mention had to have money and people behind to get support. Ya think Mantle became DX12/Vulkan on its own?

Nv puts money and people on NVENC. AMD has like 2 guys sitting there twiddling their thumbs. And ya wonder why NVENC has great support and AMD, has jack for support. Radeon VII, it's a freaking great powerhaus compute card but has zero purpose... because nothing really supports its capabilities. Ridiculous! Stop making excuses for them, this is why they shit support in major apps for their cards.

STOP SMOKING!

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Is it that freaking hard to support the products you make? Really? The stuff you mention had to have money and people behind to get support. Ya think Mantle became DX12/Vulkan on its own?

Ever use ReLive? It's nice. AMD does support AMF through it's own software. It can't compel FFMPEG to support AMF across all platforms.

The fact the benchmark doesn't try AMF...is sad. Also that they limited themselves to slow. I mean, anyone that doesn't care about quality should use NVENC/AMF. Anyone that does care about quality is going to use CPU veryslow.


Why are we talking about this anyway? Ryzen 3950X can do 1080p60 veryslow on a single CPU. Threadripper is beyond that. Not many people even have 60 mbps upload to do 4K60. I don't even know what services permit 4K streaming. Even so, it might be more than Threadripper required to do 4K...could be Epyc territory. I think Epyc runs into NUMA domain problems though...