NVIDIA Readying GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER After All?

[btarunr]

NVIDIA could launch a "GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Super" after all, if a tweet from kopite7kimi, an enthusiast with a fairly high hit-rate with NVIDIA rumors is to be believed. The purported SKU could be faster than the RTX 2080 Ti, and yet be somehow differentiated from the TITAN RTX. For starters, NVIDIA could enable all 4,608 CUDA cores, 576 tensor cores, and 72 RT cores, along with 288 TMUs and 96 ROPs. Compared to the current RTX 2080 Ti, the Super could get faster 16 Gbps GDDR6 memory.

It's possible that NVIDIA won't change the 352-bit memory bus width or 11 GB memory amount, as those would be the only things stopping the card from cannibalizing the TITAN RTX, which has the chip's full 384-bit memory bus width, and 24 GB of memory. Interestingly, at 16 Gbps with a 352-bit memory bus width, the RTX 2080 Ti Super would have 704 GB/s of memory bandwidth, which is higher than the 672 GB/s of the TITAN RTX, with its 14 Gbps memory clock. These design choices would ensure NVIDIA has a sufficiently faster product than the RTX 2080 Ti, without an increase in BOM, provided it has enough perfectly-functional "TU102" inventory to go around. There's no word on availability, although WCCFTech predicts a CES 2020 unveiling.



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Even if they would release such a card, it would only be a minor improvement over the existing one. The TU102 is already almost fully unlocked and faster memory won't yield too much either. But no one can complain if a slightly faster part can be had for the same price.

Still, I feel the only sane thing to do for $1,300 so called "consumer" cards is to go the way of the Dodo.

 

[er557]

Meh, at this point I'd rather wait for ampere

 

[Ruru]

Well, they could go back to the way that they had full memory bus, but with half of the memory of Titan (remember Titan vs 780 Ti* or Titan X vs 980 Ti?).

*well, 780 Ti had a full chip when the first Titan had shaders and other units disabled.

 

[Space Lynx]

Meh, at this point I'd rather wait for ampere

yep Nvidia will be forced to respond to navi 2 with Ampere this summer or spring. buying this would be dumb, just another case of Nvidia milking people with too much money, but hey if they are dumb enough to keep buying it more power to nvidia. personally I'd rather be poor and have my brains.

 

[Ruru]

But well, waiting isn't usually the thing with PC hardware.

 

[Berfs1]

1200$ USD MSRP will be my guess, and I can firmly believe the 16GBps will be true if this card comes out, because the 2080 Super is the only GPU to have higher than 14GBps (15.5 GBps out of the box), so 16 is likely for the 2080 ti super.

 

[Ruru]

1200$ USD MSRP will be my guess, and I can firmly believe the 16GBps will be true if this card comes out, because the 2080 Super is the only GPU to have higher than 14GBps (15.5 GBps out of the box), so 16 is likely for the 2080 ti super.

1200 eur/usd is something I'd also guess, probably replacing the current one like Titan Xp did with Titan X(P).

 

[EarthDog]

This will be interesting to see where the price and performance land. Im imagining a couple/few percent performance and pricing to come in around $1100...

yep Nvidia will be forced to respond to navi 2 with Ampere this summer or spring. buying this would be dumb, just another case of Nvidia milking people with too much money, but hey if they are dumb enough to keep buying it more power to nvidia. personally I'd rather be poor and have my brains.

Nvidia didn't have to respond to Navi, really... (price adjustments I suppose is a response - but Im thinking arch), what makes you think Navi 2 is going to have them doing so? AMD just wants to compete on performance /$ (wattage be damned so far).

Just a quick note, the RTX 2060 Super costs around the same as a 5700 XT (their pricing overlaps on newegg) and is only a couple of % slower according to TPU reviews. Perhaps some prefer to use ray tracing and a lot less power (175W vs 225W) at a very similar price point? I'd call that using their brains and not being poor, you?

 

[dj-electric]

I also think that "NVIDIA will be forced" is a term that didn't really happen since... a long time ago. A slight price re-adjustment to existing products could easily replace the existence of SUPER line-up.

This card launching is not so great news, it implies NVIDIA will be staying some more with Turing and take their sweet time maybe even until Computex with their next gen for consumers (We know servers come first)

 

[Space Lynx]

This will be interesting to see where the price and performance land. Im imagining a couple/few percent performance and pricing to come in around $1100...

Nvidia didn't have to respond to Navi, really... (price adjustments I suppose is a response - but Im thinking arch), what makes you think Navi 2 is going to have them doing so? AMD just wants to compete on performance /$ (wattage be damned so far).

Just a quick note, the RTX 2060 Super costs around the same as a 5700 XT (their pricing overlaps on newegg) and is only a couple of % slower according to TPU reviews. Perhaps some prefer to use ray tracing and a lot less power (175W vs 225W) at a very similar price point? I'd call that using their brains and not being poor, you?

because Lisa Su said Navi 2 is going to be a Nvidia giant killer. so that for one...

 

[The Quim Reaper]

I for one can't wait to spend $1200+ on a card that will be superseded in little more than 6mths by the 3080Ti

 

[Ravenmaster]

This card will be an absolute waste of time if it doesn’t include a HDMI 2.1 socket

 

[EarthDog]

because Lisa Su said Navi 2 is going to be a Nvidia giant killer. so that for one...

I treat her words like I do Jenson Juang... with a salt block. But hey, could be... only time will tell... but history isn't on their side.

Doesn't feel as stupid, buying some NV cards, when it is explained with facts though, eh?

I for one can't wait to spend $1200+ on a card that will be superseded in little more than 6mths by the 3080Ti

If I was you, I would never buy a PC part again as there is always something better several months away.

 

[scooze]

I for one can't wait to spend $1200+ on a card that will be superseded in little more than 6mths by the 3080Ti

 

[techguymaxc]

96 ROPs on a 352-bit bus is impossible. Nvidia still connects 8 ROPs to each 32-bit memory controller, per page 7 of the Turing GPU Architecture whitepaper:

Tied to each memory controller are eight ROP units and 512 KB of L2 cache. The full TU102 GPU consists of 96 ROP units and 6144 KB of L2 cache.

https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/design-visualization/technologies/turing-architecture/NVIDIA-Turing-Architecture-Whitepaper.pdf

 

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I for one can't wait to spend $1200+ on a card that will be superseded in little more than 6mths by the 3080Ti

Show me top-end card that wasn't superseded in 6-9 months. If you don't buy top-end, fine (I don't either). But don't fault the product.

 

[The Quim Reaper]

Show me top-end card that wasn't superseded in 6-9 months.

980Ti, 1080Ti & 2080Ti.

All were king of the hill for more than 12mths, 18mths for the 1080Ti.

The point I was making is that buying a 2080Ti, super or not, at this stage in its market lifecycle, is pretty stupid.

Obviously I don't include good 2nd hand prices in that statement.

 

[EarthDog]

The point I was making is that buying a 2080Ti, super or not, at this stage in its market lifecycle, is pretty stupid.

That is a pretty myopic statement if you ask me. There can be plenty of good reasons to make the purchase now... we have no idea if this is even true, nor when next gen is even coming out . Regardless it is multiple months away...and if you wait those multiple months, then multiple more months something else new is coming out... rinse and repeat.

 

[64K]

Well, they could go back to the way that they had full memory bus, but with half of the memory of Titan (remember Titan vs 780 Ti* or Titan X vs 980 Ti?).

*well, 780 Ti had a full chip when the first Titan had shaders and other units disabled.

The Titan X had 3072 cores and the 980 Ti had 2816 cores but they did both have the same 384 bit memory bus with the 980 ti having half the VRAM as the Titan X.

 

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That is a pretty myopic statement if you ask me. There can be plenty of good reasons to make the purchase now... we have no idea if this is even true, nor when next gen is even coming out.

Actually, we have a pretty good idea: between May and August, that's when Nvidia traditionally releases new generations, high-end cards first.
But yes, if you go by the "don't buy X now, something better will be released soon", you should never buy anything.

 

[Ruru]

The Titan X had 3072 cores and the 980 Ti had 2816 cores but they did both have the same 384 bit memory bus with the 980 ti having half the VRAM as the Titan X.

Yeah, the chip was trimmed down but you got my point about the bus width

 

[Space Lynx]

I treat her words like I do Jenson Juang... with a salt block. But hey, could be... only time will tell... but history isn't on their side.

Doesn't feel as stupid, buying some NV cards, when it is explained with facts though, eh?

If I was you, I would never buy a PC part again as there is always something better several months away.

I mean a rx 5700 XT is within striking distance of the 1080 ti and isn't even full NAVI redesign and came in $300 cheaper MSRP... it's very possible, actually it is probable. Yeah they won't be 3080 ti ampere, I am certain of that, but maybe they will match 3080 at a cheaper price. which is a big win for the industry on pricing. cause Nvidia was getting out of hand.

 

[EarthDog]

I mean a rx 5700 XT is within striking distance of the 1080 ti and isn't even full NAVI redesign and came in $300 cheaper MSRP... it's very possible, actually it is probable. Yeah they won't be 3080 ti ampere, I am certain of that, but maybe they will match 3080 at a cheaper price. which is a big win for the industry on pricing. cause Nvidia was getting out of hand.

WHat does last gen have to do with it? Yes, it is 7-9% slower (5700xt) than a last gen flagship that is rated to use the same power. If new Navi comes out before Ampre, that would mean it took AMD two generations to reach these performance levels. Nvidia's reply SHOULD beat it. But we are digging down deep in the speculation hole here.

My point is simply that waiting SEVERAL months for something new typically isn't worth it. And it takes brains to figure out that some Nvidia cards are priced competitively in the market, especially when looking at the big picture.

 

[Space Lynx]

WHat does last gen have to do with it? Yes, it is 7-9% slower (5700xt) than a last gen flagship that is rated to use the same power. If new Navi comes out before Ampre, that would mean it took AMD two generations to reach these performance levels. Nvidia's reply SHOULD beat it. But we are digging down deep in the speculation hole here.

My point is simply that waiting SEVERAL months for something new typically isn't worth it. And it takes brains to figure out that some Nvidia cards are priced competitively in the market, especially when looking at the big picture.

because it isn't full redesign... this is only half new architecture... Navi 2 is a full new design... there will be performance gains.