NVIDIA Readying GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER After All?

[Theliel]

I'd say anything worth playing but that wouldn't be entirely true. I don't play Minecraft so I don't know for sure but doesn't it run on a potato? I doubt people buying $500+ gpus are primarily thinking about Minecraft.

I've seen mincraft gameplay where 4 Titan Xp can't handle it at 4 K ... so many mods they flip...

 

[EarthDog]

I've seen mincraft gameplay where 4 Titan Xp can't handle it at 4 K ... so many mods they flip...

Forest through the trees....forest through the trees.

 

[moproblems99]

I don't know why people freak out about edge cases. I guess we have to accept that the average Minecraft user buys $700 gpus.

 

[efikkan]

I've seen mincraft gameplay where 4 Titan Xp can't handle it at 4 K ... so many mods they flip...

I don't think anyone consider Minecraft the pinnacle of game engine technology…
The game may be modding friendly, but the underlying game scales and performs terribly. The Titan cards are not the bottleneck.

 

[matar]

I think they will go for 12GB 384bit

 

[Turmania]

If this is true then I do not expect Ampere next Gen GPU before August 2020.

 

[Midland Dog]

This will be interesting to see where the price and performance land. Im imagining a couple/few percent performance and pricing to come in around $1100...

Nvidia didn't have to respond to Navi, really... (price adjustments I suppose is a response - but Im thinking arch), what makes you think Navi 2 is going to have them doing so? AMD just wants to compete on performance /$ (wattage be damned so far).

Just a quick note, the RTX 2060 Super costs around the same as a 5700 XT (their pricing overlaps on newegg) and is only a couple of % slower according to TPU reviews. Perhaps some prefer to use ray tracing and a lot less power (175W vs 225W) at a very similar price point? I'd call that using their brains and not being poor, you?

lmao nvidia hasnt had to respond to rtg since forever, polaris was a gm204 competitor (in power consumption and perf) vega barely edged the 980ti and a rebrand of that with 1tb/s of bandwidth couldnt touch 1080ti, rdna 2 better be radically more efficient otherwise its gunna be a meme with the small rdna part using 225w on a 260mm sq die (ish), how tf are they gunna scale that up while maintaining clocks

 

[lilkwarrior]

yep Nvidia will be forced to respond to navi 2 with Ampere this summer or spring. buying this would be dumb, just another case of Nvidia milking people with too much money, but hey if they are dumb enough to keep buying it more power to nvidia. personally I'd rather be poor and have my brains.

First & foremost, can you really depend on AMD releasing a GPU catering to games interested in 4K, high-end gamers, & enthuasists like Nvidia does? That's the sole purpose of a 2080TI+ at this point.

Nvidia's pro dominance has only *increased* with the lack of any convincing answer to Tensor Cores, Ray-Tracing Cores, and OpenCL still being abysmal to leverage for pro & high-end use cases like CUDA can.

That trickles down to the dominant position Nvidia has in the gaming front; more than anything Nvidia gains a lot with the existing RTX series now that console generation is finally being caught up to leveraging deep-learning & ray-tracing in games via the Xbox Series X & PS5.

Your position just sounds either-or to ignore.

980Ti, 1080Ti & 2080Ti.

All were king of the hill for more than 12mths, 18mths for the 1080Ti.

The point I was making is that buying a 2080Ti, super or not, at this stage in its market lifecycle, is pretty stupid.

Obviously I don't include good 2nd hand prices in that statement.

That doesn't make sense as the previous generations didn't have a Super product in between them and the fact that the latter 2 cards are targeting optimal rendering at 4x more pixels (4K) + ray-tracing + deep-learning.

For most pros & enthuaissts, It was obviously going to be obviously take longer releases between substantially different new GPUs from Nvidia as they're targeting MUCH harder outputs to markedly improve from. And it's going to cost some dough that prosumers can easily afford. Gamers not so much until economies of scale occur that are finally going to happen w/ this new card further + next gen of console gaming finally catching up.

because it isn't full redesign... this is only half new architecture... Navi 2 is a full new design... there will be performance gains.

A new design doesn't mean it's going to be any close to the competitor's existing & past designs. AMD knows this too well from what Nvidia's Maxwell and up cards (1080TI+) have done to them vs. their newer cards.

It's gotten so bad, we all as GPU enthusiasts must hope Intel as a new alternative does a better job giving options and competition to the market with their new GPUs.

At minimum considering their current release of GPUs was without a doubt a disappointment, AMD has earned skepticism if Navi 2 is even going to actually compete w/ Nvidia RTX 1 flagship cards.

Heck, Nvidia current GPUs, thanks to their emphasis properly on deep-learning & ray-tracing supports all tiers of Variable-rate shading (VRS); AMD's card do not. AMD is touting support for that & ray-tracing with again warranted skepticism that it'll be anything close to Nvidia RTX 1 cards (next-gen console will fortunately at least have support for 'em to not hold back gaming further).

 

[moproblems99]

A new design doesn't mean it's going to be any close to the competitor's existing & past designs. AMD knows this too well from what Nvidia's Maxwell and up cards (1080TI+) have done to them vs. their newer cards.

Navi is pretty competitive now. It is not far-fetched to think some additional tweaks can bring them fully competitive.

It's gotten so bad, we all as GPU enthusiasts must hope Intel as a new alternative does a better job giving options and competition to the market with their new GPUs.

You're better off hoping for Navi at this point.

 

[bug]

Navi is pretty competitive now. It is not far-fetched to think some additional tweaks can bring them fully competitive.

It is if you understand where and why they lag behind.
I'm not expecting miracles from RDNA2, but I hope they'll be competitive enough to stop Nvidia from pricing cards at $700+.

 

[moproblems99]

It is if you understand where and why they lag behind.
I'm not expecting miracles from RDNA2, but I hope they'll be competitive enough to stop Nvidia from pricing cards at $700+.

I don't necessarily think this generation will be the one that they crawl out of the pit but they at least have the ladder in place. Which is better than having the shovel in hand as it has been.

 

[bug]

I don't necessarily think this generation will be the one that they crawl out of the pit but they at least have the ladder in place. Which is better than having the shovel in hand as it has been.

It also depends on what Nvidia does next
Simply shrinking Turing to 7nm is already a tall order, but Nvidia may decide to throw some new stuff into the ring again. Probably not so soon after RTX/DXR and VRS, but who knows?

 

[RainingTacco]

Titanum Super. What will be next Titanum Super Titanum? And then Titanum Super Titanum Super? xD

 

[Fluffmeister]

Titanum Super. What will be next Titanum Super Titanum? And then Titanum Super Titanum Super? xD

It doesn't really matter does it? If you must have the fastest card available, you have one choice... nVidia.

 

[umeng2002]

Given nVidia's history and pricing scheme, it only makes sense from a value perspective to buy them right when a new GPU architecture is launched.

Wait for Ampere. Buying a 1.5 year old architecture is almost pointless now.

I have a feeling nVidia is really going to dedicate a lot more die space to RTX... essentially making the current RTX and RTX Super cards look laughably slow in ray-tracing.

After playing Metro Exodus, ray-traced global illumination is the real deal and worth the performance hit.