Continuing 14 nm Supply Shortages Lead Intel to Reintroduce Haswell-based, 22 nm Pentium G3420

[damric]

They could have at least made it an unlocked part with HT. It's not like it costs them any more to do that.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Why not instead bring back some of the i7s, at least they are powerful enough for some modern workloads.

 

[silentbogo]

They could have at least made it an unlocked part with HT. It's not like it costs them any more to do that.

At least bring back G3258 ))))

 

[The Egg]

I would imagine they’ll adapt the chip to 1151 and DDR4 for ease of use with in-production hardware.

 

[Vya Domus]

Extremely uninteresting and irrelevant. I could live without knowing of some obscure Pentium on an old node, news regarding Intel have been extremely daft as of late.

 

[Berfs1]

everyone losing there minds at this but i say great make the i3 22nm too, at this point haswell and 22nm should have reliable 4.8ghz bins

Unfortunately, this Pentium is locked. That 4.8 GHz turns into 3.2 GHz. a 33.3% reduction in performance. (3.2 to 4.8 is 50% increase) So yea, Intel clearly hasn't learned its lesson on locking CPUs.

I would imagine they’ll adapt the chip to 1151 and DDR4 for ease of use with in-production hardware.

I just realized this is a LGA1150 chip after looking at your post. What the actual f*ck is wrong with Intel?? They cant rerelease the G3258 after it has been discontinued but they can rerelease a locked Pentium that can't come with a higher clock speed....

 

[newtekie1]

I would imagine they’ll adapt the chip to 1151 and DDR4 for ease of use with in-production hardware.

That isn't even close to what is happening here. They aren't adapting the core for modern use, changing the socket, any of that stuff. They brought back an 1150 process, completely untouched, exactly as it was. They aren't modernizing it to be used on current platforms. I'm not sure why people are thinking this.

 

[JalleR]

So will an iPad.

Yes but it is really s...y as a Work desktop....

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

i doubt Intel is actually manufacturing new chips here, I more willing to think these chips were found buried in some warehouse as overstock.

 

[The Egg]

That isn't even close to what is happening here. They aren't adapting the core for modern use, changing the socket, any of that stuff. They brought back an 1150 process, completely untouched, exactly as it was. They aren't modernizing it to be used on current platforms. I'm not sure why people are thinking this.

I was only speculating. My logic is that bringing back 1150 means restarting production on old chipsets. Not only would old chipsets need to be produced again, but board partners would need to create new motherboard models based on those old chipsets, as old production lines have long since been taken out of operation for different models and can't simply be "restarted". In addition to the chipsets/motherboards, anyone selling these systems would need to rely on an unknown supply of DDR3 modules which may or may not still be in production. While it isn't outside the realm of possibility, it seems to be asking alot of several non-Intel companies for a very low-end chip.

Can you provide a link to where Intel specifically addressed this and said it would be "completely untouched"??

 

[semantics]

This isn't intel hurting much. intel still has operating 22nm fabs, intel still has operating 14nm fabs hell i think they might have a 32nm fab still. Intel's shortage at 14nm is inspite of an increase in capacity year over year it's not like intel just magically forgot how to make their 14nm node, it's not even that intel has lost capacity. Intel fabs more than just their own cpus. More than just consumer facing cpus as well.

 

[Zach_01]

Well my guess is that Intel is desperate in a lot of ways...
One that is coming (actually hitting like a brick) to my mind is that will do anything possible to prevent OEMs and system manufacturers to go to AMD, and probably will give away for free those mummified chips along with sexual favors...
...that kind of desperation we are talking about!

 

[ratirt]

I didn't know Intel is going backwards with the technology advancement. Instead of making nodes smaller Intel is on a new path of making them bigger, less advanced and more "real world benchmark ready" Intel's in a deep sh.t now.

 

[Imsochobo]

The socket is different, so now you are talking about making special motherboards just for this one very low cost very low performance chip. What sense does that make from a business standpoint and how does it help with the 14nm shortage?

22nm chipset, 22nm cpu.
that will help with 14nm shortage won't it, neither uses 14nm.
Also socket is different, they buy a different socket as they are still manufactured.

 

[newtekie1]

Can you provide a link to where Intel specifically addressed this and said it would be "completely untouched"??

It's in the first post of the thread. All they did was un-discontinue an already established sku. Everything after that is taking that one bit of information and making shit up. If they were changing it in any way, they would have made a new sku.

And it isn't like they are bringing back some long dead product here, it literally just went EoL on Nov 26th, then about a week later they changed it back. They've been selling this CPU all the way up until just a few weeks ago. People have been buying this processor, or it wouldn't have stayed active as long as it did, and I'm also guessing there was a backlash from the people that have been buying it when it did go EoL. Which is why Intel changed their mind a week after discontinuing it.

 

[Midland Dog]

That would depend on whether the process has been updated since it was abandoned for Intel's high volume products in favor of 14 nm. I doubt Intel has been investing in making that process any better than it was at the time (this is speculation).

Also, there are manufacturing process limits to be considered. 22 nm's tolerance for higher frequencies in the same architecture is bound to be smaller than 14 nm's.

different uArch tho and haswell was known for 4.6ghz + gold samples could touch 5ghz

22nm because of 14nm shortages? Intel has been getting too desperate & their fights have caused them to do rather silly things. Resurrecting a dead platform is not gonna end well.

your on that dead platform btw, and an even deader one from before then

 

[birdie]

Just like I thought this news and speculation was a load of swill:

Intel: We Aren't Stepping Back to 22nm Haswell; We Never Left

Intel says it never intended to discontinue the 22nm chip

www.tomshardware.com

It's always been known there are tons of AMD fans on the Internet most of whom disregard logic, reasoning and rationale but it's sad to see that newsmakers are following the suit.

@W1zzard

Can you please ask your newsmakers to stop giving their wild interpretation of the things they are reporting on? And also, it would be great if they reported rumors as rumors.

 

[ratirt]

Can you please ask your newsmakers to stop giving their wild interpretation of the things they are reporting on? And also, it would be great if they reported rumors as rumors.

You mean comments? Are you suggesting, with this link, that all people using desktops at home are using 22nm Intel CPUs? There are some industry segments that have been using 22nm chips.
You see the word play here when Intel uses phrases "never left" "never intended to leave" right? If they put 22nm CPUs in desktop/server/workstations etc. that is a step back nonetheless because those industry computer that could use 22nm chips are doing it already so let us wait and see which computers now are going to end up with 22nm chips. Maybe low-end desktops?