Core i9-10900K up to 30% Faster than i9-9900K: Intel

[cucker tarlson]

I guess that the point I'm driving at is that 95% of users out there with modest hardware configurations aren't going to be able to tell the difference between AMD and Intel other than having about $200 more in the bank when buying AMD.

sorry,but which Intel equivalent costs $200 more than amd's option ?

9600k(f) is priced between 3600 and 3600x
9700k(f) is priced between 3700x and 3800x


of course you buy what you need,but that does not change the facts.
most of us would not notice 3600 vs 3700x in video creation nor gaming too.and you're paying a 60% premium.so yeah,saving ..... the more cores,the more saved.

 

[trparky]

sorry,but which Intel equivalent costs $200 more than amd's option ?

Well with AMD you get a cooler as part of the deal, with Intel you need to buy one. A good high-end CPU cooler is going to be expensive.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Well with AMD you get a cooler as part of the deal, with Intel you need to buy one. A good high-end CPU cooler is going to be expensive.

does amd provide a high-end cooler ? the cooler on 3700x/3900x is adequate for 3600 only.71 degrees at 46dba.acceptable,not great.
with intel you're getting an iGPU too.

 

[JackCarver]

Why are you counting an X570 when an X470 or B450 is absolutely enough for a 3700X? Or why are you checking the same model? Cheapest X570 is $140, cheapest Z390 is $115. That's a $25 difference. Yours is $73. Of course it sounds better for you, Intel fanboy.

You call me a fanboy...don‘t want to know how many AMD Fanboys are writing here...
You have to compare same models that you can compare the prices fair. A comparison between two different boards would not be very meaningful. But sure you can compare the cheapest X570 with the cheapest Z390, but if VRM/Layout/Quality is not the same then it‘s useless. I chose the Taichi because it‘s Z390/X570 quality should be approximately equal.

Where did your 8700K beat the 3700X by nearly 10% in games? It's 4% with a 2080Ti in FHD. Is lying lucrative for you?

I didn‘t say anything like that. What I wanted to say is that the i7 9700K beats the Ryzen 3700X in 720p nearly by10%.
Yes in 1080p it‘s less and in 4K even more less but CPU benchmarking is best done in 720p. They only use a RTX 2080 Ti that GPU is not the bottleneck and the higher the Resolution gets the minor is the difference in FPS. But in 720p with an RTX 2080 Ti, where GPU isn‘t a bottleneck at all you see the CPU gaming performance best.
And by the way GamersNexus came to the similar result that if you use your rig mostly for gaming then go with i7 9700k

Watch at 23:40...

 

[dirtyferret]

It isn't clear? Gaming performance is equal. If you want to use your 2080 Ti on a 1080p monitor, yes, you get 4-5% better fps on average on Intel. On the "other" part, AMD has reached Intel in IPC. Not to speak about programs that make use of the cores.

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Gamersnexus made a survey, where 85 or 90% of its users bought Ryzen.

I recall GN jesus saying 75% of his pollesters were still using four core CPUs in one of his latest videos...

 

[Tomorrow]

You call me a fanboy...don‘t want to know how many AMD Fanboys are writing here...
You have to compare same models that you can compare the prices fair. A comparison between two different boards would not be very meaningful. But sure you can compare the cheapest X570 with the cheapest Z390, but if VRM/Layout/Quality is not the same then it‘s useless. I chose the Taichi because it‘s Z390/X570 quality should be approximately equal.



I didn‘t say anything like that. What I wanted to say is that the i7 9700K beats the Ryzen 3700X in 720p nearly by10%.
Yes in 1080p it‘s less and in 4K even more less but CPU benchmarking is best done in 720p. They only use a RTX 2080 Ti that GPU is not the bottleneck and the higher the Resolution gets the minor is the difference in FPS. But in 720p with an RTX 2080 Ti, where GPU isn‘t a bottleneck at all you see the CPU gaming performance best.
And by the way GamersNexus came to the similar result that if you use your rig mostly for gaming then go with i7 9700k

GN also recommended R5 3600 overall instead of i5's or even 9700K. They said as much in their latest 4790K revisit about 9700K.
Also 720p testing. That's meaningless. Almost none of the bigger benchmarking outlets do 720p testing. You are creating an artificial bottleneck and basing your decision to go Intel years down the track on those results that do not represent real world. Good luck with that.

 

[dirtyferret]

GN also recommended R5 3600 overall instead of i5's or even 9700K. They said as much in their latest 4790K revisit about 9700K.
Also 720p testing. That's meaningless. Almost none of the bigger benchmarking outlets do 720p testing. You are creating an artificial bottleneck and basing your decision to go Intel years down the track on those results that do not represent real world. Good luck with that.

...I recall him saying the 3600 as the best budget and 9700k as a pure gaming CPU(and avoiding the 3700x and 3800x) in that video and the 6700k video

Note: I personally find the 3700x and 3800x as great CPUs but I also don't have long curls going down to my back

 

[cucker tarlson]

imo the hierarchy goes

9400f/3500x
3600
(.............) ->>>> need a cpu to fill asap.3700x is not fast enough to justify the premium over 3600.not for gaming.not for anything.
9700k

9900k and 3800x are the worst value per dollar,3800x for gaming (matched by 9600k),9900k for workstation (matched by 3700x,bulldozed by 3900x)

 

[mainlate]

AMD has compatibility problems with expansions cards, excluding graphics cards. The older the card, the more hit or miss it is to get it work, if it works at all. Second is software compatibility, for ex.cracked games, especially those that are cracked before Ryzen was in market. But still even nowadays playing cracked games is one area where Intel is still superior, this is a bit group specific though, CPY/CODEX are usually fine, RELOADED/SKIDROW not that much and so on. But if AMD reaches 40-50% desktop CPU market share, this issue gets solved by itself on its own weight.

 

[cucker tarlson]

AMD has compatibility problems with expansions cards, excluding graphics cards. The older the card, the more hit or miss it is to get it work, if it works at all.

no.......

 

[SrKag]

Too Much Noise

More than just hearing damage, studies have shown the harmful effects of noise in the workplace on things like creativity, concentration, and communication.

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Average office noise 60 - 65 db and a quite room is 23 to 30 db , your noise point is??

 

[dirtyferret]

imo the hierarchy goes

9400f/3500x
3600
(.............) ->>>> need a cpu to fill asap.3700x is not fast enough to justify the premium over 3600.not for gaming.not for anything.
9700k

9900k and 3800x are the worst value per dollar,3800x especially.

At their current street prices, who knows the 3800x could be $100 cheaper this time next year (so can the 3700x, 3600, etc.,). I would place the 8700k stock in that gap and its still a damn good gaming CPU for high refresh systems

 

[cucker tarlson]

At their current street prices, who knows the 3800x could be $100 cheaper this time next year (so can the 3700x, 3600, etc.,). I would place the 8700k stock in that gap and its still a damn good gaming CPU for high refresh systems

absolutely.
used 8700k fills that price gap nicely.
I knda regret not getting one.If I did it'd last me till zen 5nm on ddr5 comes.
may still happen.

 

[heflys20]

9400f/3500x
3600
(.............) ->>>> need a cpu to fill asap.3700x is not fast enough to justify the premium over 3600.not for gaming.not for anything.
9700k

Are you saying the 9700k is a good buy in the upper price bracket? Over here it's $400 compared to the $329 3700x and the $200 3600, and that's before you factor in having to buy a cooler.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Are you saying the 9700k is a good buy in the upper price bracket? Over here it's $400 compared to the $329 3700x and the $200 3600, and that's before you factor in having to buy a cooler.

at least it's a decent performance uplift from 3600,and doesn't cost as much as 9900k while it performs almost the same.there's no alternative,that's why it gets a mention.
like I said,a used 8700k would be much better from a value standpoint.

 

[JackCarver]

Have one 8700k, got very hot at first but after delidding temps are very nice. At time it runs with 4.9 AllCore Turbo

 

[dirtyferret]

Are you saying the 9700k is a good buy in the upper price bracket? Over here it's $400 compared to the $329 3700x and the $200 3600, and that's before you factor in having to buy a cooler.

Not for $400 but I got my 9700k for under $300 and at microcenter you can get the 9700k for less then $329 and the 8700k for under $300.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Not for $400 but I got my 9700k for under $300 and at microcenter you can get the 9700k for less then $329 and the 8700k for under $300.

that's not how it looks like in general.
you do pay a premium for 9700k over 3700x usually.
it's about the same as 3800x.

 

[heflys20]

a used 8700k would be much better from a value standpoint.

I definitely agree.

Not for $400 but I got my 9700k for under $300 and at microcenter you can get the 9700k for less then $329 and the 8700k for under $300.

Hmm...My microcenter is charging $370. With the cooler, it'll likely be bumped to $400+. Must have been a holiday sale. The were selling the 3700x for like $280-290 at one point, too.

 

[candle_86]

AMD has compatibility problems with expansions cards, excluding graphics cards. The older the card, the more hit or miss it is to get it work, if it works at all. Second is software compatibility, for ex.cracked games, especially those that are cracked before Ryzen was in market. But still even nowadays playing cracked games is one area where Intel is still superior, this is a bit group specific though, CPY/CODEX are usually fine, RELOADED/SKIDROW not that much and so on. But if AMD reaches 40-50% desktop CPU market share, this issue gets solved by itself on its own weight.

Well shoot, my sound blaster audigy 2 works fine, my pcie via ide controller works fine, so does my pcie legacy I/o card. What compatability issue?

 

[Durvelle27]

Well shoot, my sound blaster audigy 2 works fine, my pcie via ide controller works fine, so does my pcie legacy I/o card. What compatability issue?

Sounds like the guys doesn't know how to install drivers

 

[cucker tarlson]

if that was true,it'd be:
1.widely covered by tech media
2.seen on tpu threads
3.addressed by amd

 

[Durvelle27]

if that was true,it'd be:
1.widely covered by tech media
2.seen on tpu threads
3.addressed by amd

Not to mention he's playing cracked aka pirated games which is a huge red flag

 

[cucker tarlson]

No to mention he's playing cracked aka pirated games which is a huge red flag

absolutely.

 

[candle_86]

The only incombatability I could imagine would be software from the late 90s or early 2000s that read the cpuid and then require 3d now, but we are talking about what 2-3 programs