AMD to Debut 2nd Gen RDNA Architecture in 2020

[efikkan]

I´m not natively english speaking, but she said:
"In 2019, we launched our new architecture in GPUs, it’s the RDNA architecture, and that was the Navi based products.
You should expect that those will be refreshed in 2020 – and we’ll have a next generation RDNA architecture that will be part of our 2020 lineup. (...)"

The Navi20, seen in multiple places, could be the Navi10 Refresh. Maybe nobody found any name pointing to the Ray-tracing RDNA2, yet.

We currently know about Navi 21, 22 and 23 from drivers, but we don't know the specs of these yet.
Unfortunately, yet again we see many people and the a lot of the tech press drive expectations too high, as they did with Navi12 as "big Navi", "Arcturus", big Vega and big Polaris.

I do expect AMD will launch a refreshed and tweaked Navi, possibly one with more than 40 CUs. But we have to remember that even a 2nd gen Navi will still fundamentally be a Navi, it will scale like Navi, and set your expectations accordingly. Also, it will be facing the next generation from Nvidia. I would love to see AMD pull out a card that beats by a good margin RTX 2080 Ti, draws way less than 300W and that is affordable, but that would require a major architectural improvement to achieve, unless AMD have stumbled across fix that radically changes performance characteristics.

If you're talking about a "big" Navi based on RDNA being untenable then sure your prediction could be right, that of course doesn't mean that AMD tried (or didn't try) to get one out to the market. In terms of prototype or potential designs, we have no basis to confirm or deny either way. The only thing that is confirmed though is that RDNA2 will likely launch later this year.

If there ever was a plan for a bigger Navi 1x, then it was scrapped long before tapeout.

 

[windwhirl]

HIMO
Rdna1 refresh 7N and Rdna2 (with RT) to 7N+ in SKU 2020:
Rdna2 series 6900 - 6800, 700 ~ 350 $
Navi10 series 6700 - 6600, 250 ~ 150 $
Navi14 series 6500, 100 - 75 $

I don't think they throw rdna1 after just 1 year

"Expect those will be refreshed"

Interesting.

2 sets of Navi GPUs in 2020.

No.

When Dr. Su said "refresh" she didn't mean new iterations of the currently available GPUs, but rather completely new products.

This according to a news article from Tom's, since they asked AMD for clarification on this.

 

[moproblems99]

RTX 2080 Ti, draws way less than 300W

I am fine with it drawing 300w, honestly. That extra 50w is about $0.52 a month for me. If I keep it two years, that is about $12 for its life. Just get the performance up there.

 

[efikkan]

I am fine with it drawing 300w, honestly. That extra 50w is about $0.52 a month for me. If I keep it two years, that is about $12 for its life. Just get the performance up there.

Heat, noise and long-term stability are major issues. ~250W is close to the limit for most gamers.
Dies with higher thermal density are also harder to cool. And at some point I believe you will run into issues with the heatpipes to stop working.

 

[Mr.Mopar392]

What if it isn't a man?

OK slick rick let him/her or it by whatever the hell they want!

 

[moproblems99]

Heat, noise and long-term stability are major issues. ~250W is close to the limit for most gamers.
Dies with higher thermal density are also harder to cool. And at some point I believe you will run into issues with the heatpipes to stop working.

There are plenty of gamers who can manage a 300w card with no complaints. If they make a card comparable in performance to NV but at higher power, it will sell just dandily.

300w cards have come and gone through time and not had any worse longevity than others. Plenty of Hawaii cards are still kicking.

 

[eidairaman1]

There are plenty of gamers who can manage a 300w card with no complaints. If they make a card comparable in performance to NV but at higher power, it will sell just dandily.

300w cards have come and gone through time and not had any worse longevity than others. Plenty of Hawaii cards are still kicking.

Mine.

 

[gridracedriver]

No.

When Dr. Su said "refresh" she didn't mean new iterations of the currently available GPUs, but rather completely new products.

This according to a news article from Tom's, since they asked AMD for clarification on this.

we hope so, it would be perfect.
But I find it difficult that they throw Navi10 and Navi14 after just one year of life

we'll see

 

[eidairaman1]

They won't.

 

[Totally]

Once again, I was right: Navi in its first incarnation, does not scale beyond 5700XT.

You weren't the only, I was saying the same.

 

[moproblems99]

Mine.

Yours?

 

[eidairaman1]

Yours?

290 here

 

[moproblems99]

290 here

What are you talking about?

 

[R0H1T]

Plenty of Hawaii cards are still kicking.

This

Mine.

 

[moproblems99]

This

That's what sentences are for if you quote an entire post.

 

[moob]

That's my biggest concern about going the RX 5000 series route over the RTX 20 series route at the moment. I've used Radeon GPUs in all my builds since the HD 7790 and never had a problem with them -- my current GPU is an RX 580 and I haven't had any problems with it *knocks on some wood*. I know AMD has a reputation for having wonky GPU drivers, but my personal experiences have been good thus far. But having read about all the issues people are still having with Navi (or rather, the drivers) even 6 months into its life is rather troubling to say the least. That's why I'm leaning towards an RTX card at the moment

Please don't let a loud, vocal minority on reddit sway your purchasing decision. If the 5700 series really was as terrible as some make it out to be, they'd be panned on all user-reviews. For example, look at the user-reviews for the ASUS TUF 5700XT, which is an objectively terrible card, versus higher quality 5700XT models. The ASUS card is rightfully maligned, whereas the higher quality cards aren't. Also, there'd be a massive volume of returns, but from what we've heard from retail channels, that isn't happening. If you look around you'll see professional reviewers aren't having the level of issues that the minority on reddit are having, and they're testing numerous 5700XTs across dozens of games for scores of hours. I'm not saying that there couldn't be some sort of hardware incompatibility that's affecting some users, and that's definitely a possibility, but a more likely possibility for some of the complaints is user-error.

 

[Space Lynx]

I love my 5700XT you will never catch a nvidia card in my rig ever, and I will never convince someone on what to buy, let the man buy what the hell he wants.



The irony

I am, but they have a right to know the drivers don't work a lot of times. Even GamersNexus is still reporting several crashes, though much has improved since launch. Sorry for informing people about facts... I'll go now, lol.

That's my biggest concern about going the RX 5000 series route over the RTX 20 series route at the moment. I've used Radeon GPUs in all my builds since the HD 7790 and never had a problem with them -- my current GPU is an RX 580 and I haven't had any problems with it *knocks on some wood*. I know AMD has a reputation for having wonky GPU drivers, but my personal experiences have been good thus far. But having read about all the issues people are still having with Navi (or rather, the drivers) even 6 months into its life is rather troubling to say the least. That's why I'm leaning towards an RTX card at the moment

Just go for the full AMD build again, worst case scenario is Freesync doesn't work for you above 120hz or something else about it you don't like, like crashes being a constant, etc. If that is the case then just refund within 30 days and make sure you buy from somewhere that has 30 day refunds, Amazon and Best Buy are good though but a lot of companies now don't allow 30 day refunds. Just make sure you test plenty of older games and newer before you make your final decision to keep or not. Maybe you will be very happy, and maybe not, no risk though really, so I say go all in and enjoy AMD when the time comes.

 

[moob]

I am, but they have a right to know the drivers don't work a lot of times. Even GamersNexus is still reporting several crashes, though much has improved since launch. Sorry for informing people about facts... I'll go now, lol.

Steve said the opposite of that, but sure:

Edit: Timestamp didn't seem to work but it's at around 2:10.

 

[efikkan]

Navi has been on the market for over 6 months now, and only featured minor driver changes over Vega. There is no excuse for having continuous stability issues at this point.

 

[Space Lynx]

Steve said the opposite of that, but sure:

Edit: Timestamp didn't seem to work but it's at around 2:10.

towards the end of the video he said he spoke with AMD team there about issues that still need to be fixed and have not been addressed. thanks though, saw that video when it was first posted.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I wonder if Navi refresh is going to be like the 2000 series Ryzen launch, where AMD already had more improvements in the works, but had to stop somewhere so they could launch the 1000 series. As it is, Navi saw efficiency gains over Vega, not needing near as many CUs and less complex memory. Look how it compares to Radeon VII, using less power at the same 7nm process. Not sure what the results will be, but clearly AMD has found a far more effective architecture.

 

[moproblems99]

Not sure what the results will be, but clearly AMD has found a far more effective architecture.

A very steep hill to the climb. I would be very impressed (and hopeful) if they could pull this off

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Please don't let a loud, vocal minority on reddit sway your purchasing decision. If the 5700 series really was as terrible as some make it out to be, they'd be panned on all user-reviews. For example, look at the user-reviews for the ASUS TUF 5700XT, which is an objectively terrible card, versus higher quality 5700XT models. The ASUS card is rightfully maligned, whereas the higher quality cards aren't. Also, there'd be a massive volume of returns, but from what we've heard from retail channels, that isn't happening. If you look around you'll see professional reviewers aren't having the level of issues that the minority on reddit are having, and they're testing numerous 5700XTs across dozens of games for scores of hours. I'm not saying that there couldn't be some sort of hardware incompatibility that's affecting some users, and that's definitely a possibility, but a more likely possibility for some of the complaints is user-error.

Heh, you will be happy to know that thanks to Hardware Unboxed youtube channel, I'm not going anywhere NEAR any of the ASUS cards, especially the TUF ones. I don't understand why that damn thing is still on sale when it's clearly a PoS. Maybe instead of calling it "The Ultimate Force" Asus should call it "The Ultimate Flop" eh? In all seriousness though, I've done my homework and know to stay awake from the MSI Evoke (and the MECH), both the Asus TUF and STRIX cards (seriously, how much longer are they gonna recycle that design?), as well as ASROCK's Challenger. I'm more than likely going to go with Sapphire's Nitro+ 5700XT. Been using them since my HD 7790 and they've always been top-notch. It'll be good to have a triple fan card again -- haven't had one since my Tri-X 280X

 

[Space Lynx]

Heh, you will be happy to know that thanks to Hardware Unboxed youtube channel, I'm not going anywhere NEAR any of the ASUS cards, especially the TUF ones. I don't understand why that damn thing is still on sale when it's clearly a PoS. Maybe instead of calling it "The Ultimate Force" Asus should call it "The Ultimate Flop" eh? In all seriousness though, I've done my homework and know to stay awake from the MSI Evoke (and the MECH), both the Asus TUF and STRIX cards (seriously, how much longer are they gonna recycle that design?), as well as ASROCK's Challenger. I'm more than likely going to go with Sapphire's Nitro+ 5700XT. Been using them since my HD 7790 and they've always been top-notch. It'll be good to have a triple fan card again -- haven't had one since my Tri-X 280X

I vote for Sapphire. Every AMD card I ever owned was Sapphire.

 

[R-T-B]

I know the Thicc II was trash, but I've been pretty happy with my Thicc III from xfx.

Yes it idles at higher voltage. But I also have yet to crash. Makes me wonder if some vendors are too agressive with their inbios energy savings.