AMD to Debut 2nd Gen RDNA Architecture in 2020

[Adam Krazispeed]

I hope you are aware that Free-sync still does not work properly on Navi even 6 months after release. Reading lots of crashes on Reddit as well still a common thing after 6 months of release date. I'm leaning towards Ryzen 4800x CPU and RTX 3080 for my next PC build. Nvidia is just stable and works, sadly I am willing to pay a premium for that.

rtx 3080 will be 1000+usd too//// but

you dont need it.. freesync!

Im able to run The Division 2 @ 144FPS on my Free-sync 27" inch Gaming Panel with our issue.. just use regular V-sync, it works fine on the 5700XT (i have a reference card) but i set the monitors refresh rate in windows display settings and set refresh rate to 144hz ore 120, 75hz or what ever your comfortable with!!!

you dont really need it and this is only till AMD fixes freesync, but it works fine!

its new arch. but AMD has been releasing mass driver updates over the past month..

just last 2- weeks iv updated my Radeon Driver like 3-4 times, and havnt had really any issue> except Overclocking,

 

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rtx 3080 will be 1000+usd too//// but

you dont need it.. freesync!

Im able to run The Division 2 @ 144FPS on my Free-sync 27" inch Gaming Panel with our issue.. just use regular V-sync, it works fine on the 5700XT (i have a reference card) but i set the monitors refresh rate in windows display settings and set refresh rate to 144hz ore 120, 75hz or what ever your comfortable with!!!

you dont really need it and this is only till AMD fixes freesync, but it works fine!

its new arch. but AMD has been releasing mass driver updates over the past month..

just last 2- weeks iv updated my Radeon Driver like 3-4 times, and havnt had really any issue> except Overclocking,

Whether you realize it or not, FreeSync has little to do with the inner workings of the GPU.

 

[efikkan]

I wonder if Navi refresh is going to be like the 2000 series Ryzen launch, where AMD already had more improvements in the works, but had to stop somewhere so they could launch the 1000 series. As it is, Navi saw efficiency gains over Vega, not needing near as many CUs and less complex memory. Look how it compares to Radeon VII, using less power at the same 7nm process. Not sure what the results will be, but clearly AMD has found a far more effective architecture.

You know, they always have 2-3 generations in various stages of development at any time, so obviously they will carry ideas over to the next one, and they obviously know what features is coming the next couple of years.

It usually takes 12-15 months from tapeout to product launch, and they can't really implement anything new in those last months, so AMD probably had already completed the Navi 2x design back when Navi 10 launched.

But if AMD are to ship a "big Navi" with twice the performance of RX 5700 XT, then they are going to need a whole lot more than small iterative changes like Zen -> Zen+, to keep it under 350-400W.

 

[moob]

I vote for Sapphire. Every AMD card I ever owned was Sapphire.

I can't argue with Sapphire. When it comes to AMD GPUs my top two choices are Sapphire and PowerColor (current card). I'll grab an MSI or Gigabyte card as well if they're reviewed well. After the 5700XT launch, I'm gonna be looking hard at ASUS cards.

I know the Thicc II was trash, but I've been pretty happy with my Thicc III from xfx.

Yes it idles at higher voltage. But I also have yet to crash. Makes me wonder if some vendors are too agressive with their inbios energy savings.

I'm going to keep posting this because potential buyers need to be aware, but this is XFX's RMA/Registration page: http://www.xfxsupport.com/Account/Register.aspx
http in 2020...

 

[Casecutter]

HIMO
Rdna1 refresh 7N and Rdna2 (with RT) to 7N+ in SKU 2020:
Rdna2 series 6900 - 6800, 700 ~ 350 $
Navi10 series 6700 - 6600, 250 ~ 150 $
Navi14 series 6500, 100 - 75 $

I don't think they throw rdna1 after just 1 year

I think the next is the Big chip on RDNA2 7 nm+ (EUV) is a new naming matrix sometime June July, while might still not complete sure it will see Ray Tracing.

As for RDNA Navi's basically the same as as RX 480 to the RX 580, both of those will be likely be provided small up-tick in performance, and will be a re-name down on that new naming convention and would think we'd see slight reductions (~5-8%) to price all to perhaps permit a Big chip of RDNA2 (some 3rd gelding) into a below $500 price.

Yea, it not exciting but I think RGT is we'll be poised to get there before most of the real bulk of mainstream Ampere Gaming cards, so RGT will have several months to make hay as Nvidia has to clear the channel and I doubt they can stomach doing that on price. Then after Nvidia gets most of the mainstream Ampere are out perhaps a little more than a year from now, RGT will be ready to move newer RDNA2 cards to release in competition.

 

[windwhirl]

http in 2020...

At least they don't ask for your credit card /s

 

[R-T-B]

http in 2020...

Ick. Well, just use a different password for their obviously outdated and compromisable software. Then it's no biggie. But yeah, I do get your point.

EDIT: and it appears they do support https on that same link, but not automatically becausr the cert is self signed or something. Certainly could do better.

 

[moob]

Ick. Well, just use a different password for their obviously outdated and compromisable software. Then it's no biggie. But yeah, I do get your point.

EDIT: and it appears they do support https on that same link, but not automatically becausr the cert is self signed or something. Certainly could do better.

Yeah. Firefox warned me away from it earlier but I didn't check to see what the details were. This is what it says:

https://www.xfxsupport.com/Account/Register.aspx

Unable to communicate securely with peer: requested domain name does not match the server’s certificate.

HTTP Strict Transport Security: false
HTTP Public Key Pinning: false

I know XFX isn't the biggest company, but, like you said, they can definitely do better.

 

[R-T-B]

Yeah. Firefox warned me away from it earlier but I didn't check to see what the details were. This is what it says:

https://www.xfxsupport.com/Account/Register.aspx

Unable to communicate securely with peer: requested domain name does not match the server’s certificate.

HTTP Strict Transport Security: false
HTTP Public Key Pinning: false

I know XFX isn't the biggest company, but, like you said, they can definitely do better.

Yeah, it appers they are using a generic azure certificate. Not very secure at all as that cert is probably public:

I'd still register with https vs without (anything is better than nothing), but yes, very unprofessional.

 

[Super XP]

Great news, new RDNA2 7nm+ Navi graphics cards coming in 2020.
And no more RDNA1 7nm GPUs. Hopefully AMD puts the ATI back into Graphics

I think the next is the Big chip on RDNA2 7 nm+ (EUV) is a new naming matrix sometime June July, while might still not complete sure it will see Ray Tracing.

As for RDNA Navi's basically the same as as RX 480 to the RX 580, both of those will be likely be provided small up-tick in performance, and will be a re-name down on that new naming convention and would think we'd see slight reductions (~5-8%) to price all to perhaps permit a Big chip of RDNA2 (some 3rd gelding) into a below $500 price.

Yea, it not exciting but I think RGT is we'll be poised to get there before most of the real bulk of mainstream Ampere Gaming cards, so RGT will have several months to make hay as Nvidia has to clear the channel and I doubt they can stomach doing that on price. Then after Nvidia gets most of the mainstream Ampere are out perhaps a little more than a year from now, RGT will be ready to move newer RDNA2 cards to release in competition.

Umm, there is NO RDNA1 Refreshes happening. The term "Refresh" Dr. Lisa Su mentioned is explaining that all current RDNA1 NAVI GPUs will be replaced with RDNA2 graphics, they are not releasing RDNA1 graphics cards as refreshes.

 

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Great news, new RDNA2 7nm+ Navi graphics cards coming in 2020.
And no more RDNA1 7nm GPUs. Hopefully AMD puts the ATI back into Graphics

Which part of ATI do you want back? Besides the Radeon 8000 and 9000 series, ATI was about weaker hardware than Nvidia and abysmal drivers.

 

[INSTG8R]

Which part of ATI do you want back? Besides the Radeon 8000 and 9000 series, ATI was about weaker hardware than Nvidia and abysmal drivers.

The 4000 and 5000 series were superior

 

[Super XP]

Which part of ATI do you want back? Besides the Radeon 8000 and 9000 series, ATI was about weaker hardware than Nvidia and abysmal drivers.

The strive for trying to remain competitive.

 

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The 4000 and 5000 series were superior

Only because Nvidia botched Fermi, not because ATI did something special
Though I remember weighing midrange cards at the time and still going with the GTX460. It's possible ATI was only better at the high end, whereas the 8000 and 9000 wiped the floor with Nvidia from top to bottom.

The strive for trying to remain competitive.

In other words, you're wishing for them to perpetually lag behind. Got it

 

[Super XP]

Only because Nvidia botched Fermi, not because ATI did something special
Though I remember weighing midrange cards at the time and still going with the GTX460. It's possible ATI was only better at the high end, whereas the 8000 and 9000 wiped the floor with Nvidia from top to bottom.


In other words, you're wishing for them to perpetually lag behind. Got it

 

[Slizzo]

Only because Nvidia botched Fermi, not because ATI did something special

Radeon 4000 series came out well before Fermi. I know this because I had a 4870 512MB and then a 4870X2 2GB for quite a while before swapping for a GTX 470.

 

[Casecutter]

Umm, there is NO RDNA1 Refreshes happening. The term "Refresh" Dr. Lisa Su mentioned is explaining that all current RDNA1 NAVI GPUs will be replaced with RDNA2 graphics, they are not releasing RDNA1 graphics cards as refreshes.

Well, I can't read the tea leave like you are. It would be awesome if it happens that way, but I can't see RGT holding on till sometime Q1 next year with the same 5XXX products naming conventions.

I didn't say anything about "refresh" of silicon. Same old silicone just coming in with betterment from process, which I think TSMC 7nm can provide. RGT can then just tweak with a slight clock/memory bumps while hold TDP from such process improvements.

 

[Super XP]

Well, I can't read the tea leave like you are. It would be awesome if it happens that way, but I can't see RGT holding on till sometime Q1 next year with the same 5XXX products naming conventions.

I didn't say anything about "refresh" of silicon. Same old silicone just coming in with betterment from process, which I think TSMC 7nm can provide. RGT can then just tweak with a slight clock/memory bumps while hold TDP from such process improvements.

RDNA2 is where the improvements will be found on top of 7nm+ process node.
All indications point to RDNA1 going EOL as soon as RDNA2 is ready to replace it.
I am sure the next generation consoles have a lot to do with the push to get RDNA2 out the door and into the wild.
AMD moved a few of their ZEN engineers to assist the Radeon Technology Group (RTG) with RDNA2.

AMD clarified that the Navi "refresh" will consist of new cards based on the next-gen RDNA architecture.

 

[Casecutter]

RDNA2 is where the improvements will be found on top of 7nm+ process node.
All indications point to RDNA1 going EOL as soon as RDNA2 is ready to replace it.
I am sure the next generation consoles have a lot to do with the push to get RDNA2 out the door and into the wild.
AMD moved a few of their ZEN engineers to assist the Radeon Technology Group (RTG) with RDNA2.

So, would you believe we'll see this Big silicone on RDNA2 7 nm+ (EUV) sometime June-July, and with Ray Tracing? While then new RDNA2 chips that replace Navi parts sometime Q3?

 

[Super XP]

So, would you believe we'll see this Big silicone on RDNA2 7 nm+ (EUV) sometime June-July, and with Ray Tracing? While then new RDNA2 chips that replace Navi parts sometime Q3?

Big Navi maybe Q4 2020. Mainstream and 5700XT replacements probably Q2-Q3 2020. This is all based on my own research, but I do admit AMD is keeping the finer details on RDNA2 and it's high end GPU very quiet.

 

[Casecutter]

Big Navi maybe Q4 2020. Mainstream and 5700XT replacements probably Q2-Q3 2020. This is all based on my own research, but I do admit AMD is keeping the finer details on RDNA2 and it's high end GPU very quiet.

Q4 2020 Interesting take, You think RGT is that far out with a Big RDNA2 Chip? Id think they're further along and we'll get info on "Arcturus" say June at COMPUTEX 2020 then a reference card release like end of July. I'm sure AMD is starting or making Vermeer Zen 3 for for April-May release, then have room to start with a Big Arcturus part. While I don't think RGT is read to drop mainstream RDNA2 until after Nvidia releases Ampere mainstream stuff, which I'd think is late Q4 or into Q1-2021. RGT won't make the first move. At least that what I see in the tea leaves.

 

[efikkan]

Id think they're further along and we'll get info on "Arcturus" say June at COMPUTEX 2020 then a reference card release like end of July. I'm sure AMD is starting or making Vermeer Zen 3 for for April-May release, then have room to start with a Big Arcturus part.

FYI, "Arcturus" is a specialized Vega derivative with ECC memory, not a consumer product.

Zen 3 is expected around end of year (or slip into early 2021).

 

[Super XP]

FYI, "Arcturus" is a specialized Vega derivative with ECC memory, not a consumer product.

Zen 3 is expected around end of year (or slip into early 2021).

Both ZEN3 and RDNA2 are scheduled for 2020. It's not slipping into 2021 as ZEN3 is already ahead of schedule and performance above expectations.

 

[bug]

Both ZEN3 and RDNA2 are scheduled for 2020. It's not slipping into 2021 as ZEN3 is already ahead of schedule and performance above expectations.

It can still slip if AMD can't secure enough fab capacity. Or, they could pull a sort of a paper launch with very limited initial availability. There are no signs to that and I hope it doesn't happen. But just saying, just because something has tapped out and works as expected, does not meet all criteria for a timely launch

 

[Super XP]

It can still slip if AMD can't secure enough fab capacity. Or, they could pull a sort of a paper launch with very limited initial availability. There are no signs to that and I hope it doesn't happen. But just saying, just because something has tapped out and works as expected, does not meet all criteria for a timely launch

Fair enough and fingers crossed lol