Zhaoxin KaiXian x86 Processor Now Commercially Available to the DIY Channel

[gasolina]

The price around 600$ for the mobo + cpu quite cheap though

 

[MrMilli]

In the screenshot, it looks like it has a TDP of 70 Watts. Being slow and inefficient, it only has to tick the third box (hot) to become a huge hit.

Seriously, instead of spending all this money to develop crappy hardware under an unpronounceable brand that can beat a Pentium III, the Chinese could turn their resources into using existing, efficient hardware for something useful. One does not simply argue with nationalism/communism I guess.

Yes and how did that turn out for Europe? We gave up on almost all proprietary OS and hardware development, so we could use more efficient stuff (like you say China should do) and now we are fully dependent on foreign technology. No, I fully understand the Chinese. Self reliance is important for the future of a nation.

 

[bug]

Yes and how did that turn out for Europe? We gave up on almost all proprietary OS and hardware development, so we could use more efficient stuff (like you say China should do) and now we are fully dependent on foreign technology. No, I fully understand the Chinese. Self reliance is important for the future of a nation.

We are fully dependent, are you sure? ASML rings any bells?

 

[AusWolf]

Yes and how did that turn out for Europe? We gave up on almost all proprietary OS and hardware development, so we could use more efficient stuff (like you say China should do) and now we are fully dependent on foreign technology. No, I fully understand the Chinese. Self reliance is important for the future of a nation.

So does the fact that we can't design and manufacture our own CPUs make us worse? I don't think so.

No nation is completely self-reliant, and IMO that is the right way to be. It necessitates fair trade instead of competition.

 

[MrMilli]

We are fully dependent, are you sure? ASML rings any bells?

And how many ASML machines are used in Europe?
We have zero high tech manufacturing left in Europe. STMicro and AMD's old Dresden fab are now very out of date.

So does the fact that we can't design and manufacture our own CPUs make us worse? I don't think so.

No nation is completely self-reliant, and IMO that is the right way to be. It necessitates fair trade instead of competition.

I never said it makes us worse. You're putting words into my mouth. I said it makes us dependent on others and I would say that that's always worse.
At least China is putting huge effort into being self-reliant. Instead of some mocking these CPU's, some forget that if Trump goes full berserk or something, they won't be without a usable CPU/OS/whatnot.

 

[bug]

And how many ASML machines are used in Europe?
We have zero high tech manufacturing left in Europe.

 

[Tartaros]

No, they're not. You seem blissfully unaware of how CPU's are engineered.

Sure dude. That's why european councils of IT professionals have been proposing new models for years aiming at transparency and thanks to that now we are getting into a possible future sunken ship of european cpu production.

 

[AusWolf]

I never said it makes us worse. You're putting words into my mouth. I said it makes us dependent on others and I would say that that's always worse.
At least China is putting huge effort into being self-reliant. Instead of some mocking these CPU's, some forget that if Trump goes full berserk or something, they won't be without a usable CPU/OS/whatnot.

So basically being dependent makes us worse. As long as no country is fully independent from others, I don't see self-reliance as a big issue.

Trump can't go full berserk on the IT market (though I don't doubt he'd love to), because the vast majority of IT products are still manufactured in China. This is exactly my point: as long as we depend on one another for certain products, no country can afford to go nuts on others. Self-reliance eventually leads to overproduction and inter-country competition. Mix it with the emotionally driven politicians we all currently have, and you have war. Dependent countries can't afford to lose allies, only self-reliant ones can.