Palit Releases GTX 1650 KalmX - a Passively Cooled, 0dB GPU

[ARF]

3700X is a 88W CPU.

It's never good to lie. Ryzen 7 3700X is a <65-watt processor. In gaming it is a 35-45-watt processor.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x

 

[cucker tarlson]

It's never good to lie. Ryzen 7 3700X is a <65-watt processor. In gaming it is a 35-45-watt processor.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x

50-70w

 

[londiste]

It's never good to lie. Ryzen 7 3700X is a <65-watt processor. In gaming it is a 35-45-watt processor.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x

Yeah, I agree. AMD should be more clear about what their TDP means.

The AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 3700X and 3900X Raising The Bar

www.anandtech.com

Gaming is only one possible use case for a CPU. CPU usage and power consumption is very very dependent on the game. Cooling usually is (or at least should be) geared toward worst case scenario.

 

[eidairaman1]

YOSC

 

[gamefoo21]

LoL

Glad everyone hates on AMD for their TDP shenanigans.

Remember better cooler means higher TDP. Their CPUs are only rated for their TDP under the stock cooler.

Oh and I still think AMD did a good guy thing with the 5600XT they just did it badly.

What AMD did, and none other, is that it put its AIB partners and ALL of its prospective customers and existing ones in great uncertainty and with often even a less functional product, extra expenses and all just to 'one up' Nvidia which had a more competitive product out. Note, AMD cpuld have also 'jebaited' them with another price cut and everyone would have won. But no, this was deemed the best way forward; creating instability on product out in the wild and already for sale.

This is straight up an ass move. Even in the event you have your working 14Gbps version. How confident are you really about that product?!

For comparison, Nvidia released 9 and 11gbps Pascal card revisions the way it should be done. As a normal, transparant release.

2060 KO with a special crippled board design built using failed 2070 dies. Uses more power, can't overclock, runs warmer, basically stock 2060 performance but it's cheap and screws AMD when it comes to price point comparisons. Also apparently great availability... *Cough*

Steve says it's a great workstation performance card though... While he signs a new beefy advertising contract with his friends at EVGA...

Hmm...

The board partners agreed, and AMD even left it open by lifting the max OC clocks.

AMD tried to make a shit situation better, but it went badly. The board partners waffling about are their own shit move.

 

[londiste]

2060 KO with a special crippled board design built using failed 2070 dies. Uses more power, can't overclock, runs warmer, basically stock 2060 performance but it's cheap and screws AMD when it comes to price point comparisons. Also apparently great availability... *Cough*

Nvidia reduced official RTX2060 price on their own page to $299 at the same time. Other models followed. KO seems to be special with its TU104 die but other than productivity benchmark weirdness it has no benefit for gaming purposes.

 

[Assimilator]

2060 KO with a special crippled board design built using failed 2070 dies. Uses more power, can't overclock, runs warmer, basically stock 2060 performance but it's cheap and screws AMD when it comes to price point comparisons. Also apparently great availability... *Cough*

Did you have a point?

Steve says it's a great workstation performance card though... While he signs a new beefy advertising contract with his friends at EVGA...

Because nobody else has shown the same thing... oh wait.

Once again, your idiot conspiracy theory fails to hold any water.

The board partners agreed, and AMD even left it open by lifting the max OC clocks.

AMD tried to make a shit situation better, but it went badly. The board partners waffling about are their own shit move.

[citation needed]

 

[gamefoo21]

Did you have a point?



Because nobody else has shown the same thing... oh wait.

Once again, your idiot conspiracy theory fails to hold any water.



[citation needed]

LoL... I can make far better idiot conspiracy theories.

It's a simple fact of the human condition. Steve like everyone else has built in bias it's a human condition. He has bills to pay, has at least one employee, and those things do impact.

He has shown and has been bought off completely on at least one case. I'll just keep referring to Thermal Grizzly sponsoring his channel and the ONLY thermal materials he uses are TG, which his 'friend' De8auer is heavily involved with. Would he have hated on the graphite pad used on the Radeon VII cooler if TG had their Carbonaut pads out? I suspect not.

There's a striking difference between his treatment of the Radeon VII and the EVGA 2060 KO. The cheap 2060 KO is a bad 2060 for gaming, it punishes buyers by using more power for the same performance and the overclocking is seriously crippled because the board hard locks the power limit. He releases a video praising the 2060 KO for having a 2070 core. He releases a video praising the impressive gains in workstation performance because it gets the 2070's better CUDA processors... While stalling on the video to list the drawbacks.

The Radeon VII is a garbage card because it's not a godly gaming card and it has a disgusting at the time graphite thermal pad. No tests done on it's 'workstation' performance.

The 2060 KO is marketed as a pure gaming card, so why the special treatment?

While Steve also brings up how he's friendly with the people and engineers at EVGA and gets behind the scenes looks at how EVGA makes superior cards from the reference boards.

Steve only uses NV for his work and personal machines...

Steve directly negotiates with the companies for those in video ads. There is no denying that, and based off what I can gather those companies will be more generous in those contracts based on how you treat the company. The funding can go up, go down, or stop entirely. It's called biting the hand that feeds. When are those contracts up for renewal? Is it odd that he's hammering companies that don't buy advertising and being a rabid dog for those that do? Maybe, maybe not.

Bias is bias and denying it's existence when it's so openly on display is just dumb.

Citation?

MSI, Sapphire, Powercolor gave those bioses to the reviewers. Asus has always said they'll release a Z series card with the bigger clocks.

That's why AMD raised the limits and didn't make it mandatory. It was a bit of an evil move because it means there's a real spread in the actual performance of the 5600XTs. 5600XT vs 5600XT OC vs 5600XT OC+

AMD messed up they shouldn't have released so many details, but at the same time, if they couldn't drop the prices of the 5500/5600 cards across the board they were hooped. Nvidia basically made the 5600XT irrelevant, and killed the 1660 at the same time. At the same time, the 5600XT OC+ gets dangerously close to the 5700. So it's definitely not a great move and is one that has the stink of razor thin margins.

I apologize for not being a devout follower of PC Jesus, but I will gleefully call out bias in any reviews or news and I don't care who writes it. I've even called out reviewers on here recently and in the past.

Edit:

I've dragged this off topic enough I will not be responding to this post going forward. I put on my flame suit and I enjoy roasting marshmallows.

 

[Vayra86]

LoL

Glad everyone hates on AMD for their TDP shenanigans.

Remember better cooler means higher TDP. Their CPUs are only rated for their TDP under the stock cooler.

Oh and I still think AMD did a good guy thing with the 5600XT they just did it badly.



2060 KO with a special crippled board design built using failed 2070 dies. Uses more power, can't overclock, runs warmer, basically stock 2060 performance but it's cheap and screws AMD when it comes to price point comparisons. Also apparently great availability... *Cough*

Steve says it's a great workstation performance card though... While he signs a new beefy advertising contract with his friends at EVGA...

Hmm...

The board partners agreed, and AMD even left it open by lifting the max OC clocks.

AMD tried to make a shit situation better, but it went badly. The board partners waffling about are their own shit move.

Yeah. At least you have a sense of humour

LoL... I can make far better idiot conspiracy theories.

It's a simple fact of the human condition. Steve like everyone else has built in bias it's a human condition. He has bills to pay, has at least one employee, and those things do impact.

He has shown and has been bought off completely on at least one case. I'll just keep referring to Thermal Grizzly sponsoring his channel and the ONLY thermal materials he uses are TG, which his 'friend' De8auer is heavily involved with. Would he have hated on the graphite pad used on the Radeon VII cooler if TG had their Carbonaut pads out? I suspect not.

There's a striking difference between his treatment of the Radeon VII and the EVGA 2060 KO. The cheap 2060 KO is a bad 2060 for gaming, it punishes buyers by using more power for the same performance and the overclocking is seriously crippled because the board hard locks the power limit. He releases a video praising the 2060 KO for having a 2070 core. He releases a video praising the impressive gains in workstation performance because it gets the 2070's better CUDA processors... While stalling on the video to list the drawbacks.

The Radeon VII is a garbage card because it's not a godly gaming card and it has a disgusting at the time graphite thermal pad. No tests done on it's 'workstation' performance.

The 2060 KO is marketed as a pure gaming card, so why the special treatment?

While Steve also brings up how he's friendly with the people and engineers at EVGA and gets behind the scenes looks at how EVGA makes superior cards from the reference boards.

Steve only uses NV for his work and personal machines...

Steve directly negotiates with the companies for those in video ads. There is no denying that, and based off what I can gather those companies will be more generous in those contracts based on how you treat the company. The funding can go up, go down, or stop entirely. It's called biting the hand that feeds. When are those contracts up for renewal? Is it odd that he's hammering companies that don't buy advertising and being a rabid dog for those that do? Maybe, maybe not.

Bias is bias and denying it's existence when it's so openly on display is just dumb.

Citation?

MSI, Sapphire, Powercolor gave those bioses to the reviewers. Asus has always said they'll release a Z series card with the bigger clocks.

That's why AMD raised the limits and didn't make it mandatory. It was a bit of an evil move because it means there's a real spread in the actual performance of the 5600XTs. 5600XT vs 5600XT OC vs 5600XT OC+

AMD messed up they shouldn't have released so many details, but at the same time, if they couldn't drop the prices of the 5500/5600 cards across the board they were hooped. Nvidia basically made the 5600XT irrelevant, and killed the 1660 at the same time. At the same time, the 5600XT OC+ gets dangerously close to the 5700. So it's definitely not a great move and is one that has the stink of razor thin margins.

I apologize for not being a devout follower of PC Jesus, but I will gleefully call out bias in any reviews or news and I don't care who writes it. I've even called out reviewers on here recently and in the past.

Edit:

I've dragged this off topic enough I will not be responding to this post going forward. I put on my flame suit and I enjoy roasting marshmallows.

TL DR AMD released a product that cannot compete and tries to change that reality at the expense of its customers. No need for all the added 'facts' and conjecture, really. It is what it is, everything that happened following or alongside it is simply not relevant. Put differently; who gives a damn about Steve. He is yet another Tuber falling prey to commerce.Screw commerce. I look at endusers because in the end, that is who we should care about - its us. Not whichever company. And for end users, this move was not helpful in any possible way.

The 2060 KO comparison... is not even a comparison. Nvidia knows better than to change perf and spec post launch; you always get what is on the box. They did not even do it to their law breaking GTX 970, it still says 4GB on the box and site after settling over the 3.5 GB issue go figure.

I am pro doing good business and being trustworthy, so that 970 will never be forgotten... And strongly reject bad practices and where NV has its 970, AMD has a new bag of tricks every god damn gen. And what they do release is almost always somehow not truly perfect. Only AIBs do it right, ever so rarely. And with this specific issue, not even AIBs can do it right...

 

[gamefoo21]

*tries to make his post on topic*

So how about that passively cooled Palit card we'll never see in North America...

LoL

Every company pulls shitty stunts, tries to get ahead, tries to make the most money.

Nvidia burned me and millions when they cheaped out on the solder used to mate dies to packages. I had a 8800 GT that wasn't actually stable, so the AIB pushed a bios update that rolled the clocks back on the ram and the core. The bios update included a text file because you had to run it in DOS mode and manually enter the flash commands. Oh man what a bunch of cry babies hollering over a GUI flasher that most AIBs are making automatic and single click...

That 8800GT is likely why I am not being such a princess about AMD changing the max clocks. I do think the 2060 KrapOffer is worse because it's basically a gimped card designed solely to force AMD into an impossible position. Then you have some famous youboober(s) who are throwing their weight behind twisting it to match what a single AIB is whining about

What about the whole CPU clock boosting thing? I can brick an entire system with an MSI motherboard while flashing the bios, how is this suddenly new and scary? Are we just idiot sheeple who are supposed to act like a GPU bios flash is some dark and forbidden art...

I had an MSI 970 Gaming mobo, the VRM was a massive pile of garbage that actually melted the stock thermal pads when you dared to even attempt over clocking. It had a dozen Bios updates... I'm supposed to just buy MSI's crying?

It's the same shit just a different pile and certain parties aim to make more depending on the pile you scoop from.

 

[Vayra86]

*tries to make his post on topic*

So how about that passively cooled Palit card we'll never see in North America...

LoL

Every company pulls shitty stunts, tries to get ahead, tries to make the most money.

Nvidia burned me and millions when they cheaped out on the solder used to mate dies to packages. I had a 8800 GT that wasn't actually stable, so the AIB pushed a bios update that rolled the clocks back on the ram and the core. The bios update included a text file because you had to run it in DOS mode and manually enter the flash commands. Oh man what a bunch of cry babies hollering over a GUI flasher that most AIBs are making automatic and single click...

That 8800GT is likely why I am not being such a princess about AMD changing the max clocks. I do think the 2060 KrapOffer is worse because it's basically a gimped card designed solely to force AMD into an impossible position. Then you have some famous youboober(s) who are throwing their weight behind twisting it to match what a single AIB is whining about

What about the whole CPU clock boosting thing? I can brick an entire system with an MSI motherboard while flashing the bios, how is this suddenly new and scary? Are we just idiot sheeple who are supposed to act like a GPU bios flash is some dark and forbidden art...

I had an MSI 970 Gaming mobo, the VRM was a massive pile of garbage that actually melted the stock thermal pads when you dared to even attempt over clocking. It had a dozen Bios updates... I'm supposed to just buy MSI's crying?

It's the same shit just a different pile and certain parties aim to make more depending on the pile you scoop from.

The point was, the whataboutism isn't relevant in this discussion, so let it go.