Intel Core i7-10700K Features 5.30 GHz Turbo Boost

[Super XP]

A great rule of thumb would be to use the max power limit the CPU gets when its clocks are boosted. That is how they should determine the TDP. I know from the past and present that AMD's TDP are more accurate over Intel's.

 

[bug]

Ok, another one that's decided to be immune to reason. I give up.

For reference: no matter how you define TDP, the heatsink will allow the CPU to dissipate more than that for a short period of time. If you move the TDP to include the bursty TDP, you'll need a bigger heatsink. A bigger heatisnk will, in turn allow the CPU to boost even higher for a time. Rinse and repeat.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

A great rule of thumb would be to use the max power limit the CPU gets when its clocks are boosted. That is how they should determine the TDP. I know from the past and present that AMD's TDP are more accurate over Intel's.

Isn't the TDP based upon base clocks is it not? Thus we are always trying to find out what Turbo clocks TDP is...

200w Air or Liquid coolers are standard now days.

I'm running Custom Push-Pull open-loop 420mm Rad with D5 pumps... Cooled by EK setup....that could handle 400w CPU cooling np.

Some guys have PC Chillers and they can handle 800w.... For people that want to run sub-zero temperatures...

 

[londiste]

Man, have I been talking to myself all this time? The power limit is dictated by the CPU, the heatsink and the airflow in your case. How would you put a number on that as the manufacturer of the CPU?

Power limit is set in BIOS.
As a CPU manufacturer why would you care about heatsink and airflow? Manufacturer says this CPU emits x Watts of heat. The rest of it is up to OEMs and system builders.

For reference: no matter how you define TDP, the heatsink will allow the CPU to dissipate more than that for a short period of time.

That short period of time is 1. misleading and 2. not what we see from Intel and AMD today in many cases.

If you move the TDP to include the bursty TDP, you'll need a bigger heatsink. A bigger heatisnk will, in turn allow the CPU to boost even higher for a time. Rinse and repeat.

How would you spec something like this?

 

[Super XP]

Isn't the TDP based upon base clocks is it not? Thus we are always trying to find out what Turbo clocks TDP is...

It shouldn't be based on base clocks. Because when you go into Boost Mode or Turbo Mode, more voltage is used to get that boosted speed.
You need an appropriate cooler that can handle the very MAX boost clock or you run into overheating issues. You always design something for the maximum.

If you buy a CPU with TDP rated at 90 but in boost it goes to 200. If you followed that TDP rating for your CPU cooler purchase, you will overheat your processor.

 

[John Naylor]

What is the fascination with "alleged design superiority" if it doesn't deliver the goods ? "Our racing engine is a superior design and our transmission is highly innovative ... so what, if you came in 2nd none of that matters. It doesn't matter how close it was, the guy who crosses the finish line 1st take home the big cash prize.

Who can name the silver medalist from the last Olympics ? Its the Gold medal winner that gets their name remembered, it's the Gold medal winner that gets their pic on the wheaties box. I don't care if Option B is thought to have a better design ... I don't have reason to care if it's faster at doing things neither myself nor 98% other PC users do. I can not justify a $500 3900x for a pure gaming box when TPU test results show a $230 9600k outperforming it.

Forget cores, forget die size, no matter who makes the CPU, no matter how many cores, how many threads, how many teraflops, whatever.... arguing abut design philosophy is not reasoning, it's making excuses. Only one thing matters, what lets you work and play faster.

Is cost a factor ... yes ofcourse. Is CPU cost in and of itself a factor ? No. You are not comparing cost of a $250 CPU and a $300 CPU, thats a red herring. Your investment in "the box" iss what's relevant. If you are willing to pay $1.800 for a box that's faster instead of $1,750, then that investment has no ROI if it's not more than 2.8% faster But if you earn a living on that box say as a CAD Operator charging $100 an hour .... then you pay for that investment in about 2 days .... every day after that you are making money.

When ya client asks why your competition completed the project for less money and in less time than you did, explaining that your CPU has a better design and it can do many things faster but it's slower in CAD, it's not going to cut any juice. Use the best tool for each job. In my field... CAD operators doing straight 2D and 3D CAD use Intel Boxes with GTX / RTX Graphics ... when that finished work is rendered, it's done on AMD CPUs with more cores and Quadro graphics. There is no tool in any field that id best for every task.... the best tool if the one that finishes the job in the quickest manner. How new or innivative the design is may be dividends for the manufacturer... but it doesn't mean beans to the user. What i the best tool in ta toolbox ? .. the screwdriver, the hammer or the wrench ... the answer depends on whether your current need is to put in a screw, bang in a nail or tighten a bolt. If you never bang in nails, then no matter how good the hammer's design is , this tool is not the best choice for tout work

 

[Super XP]

I don't care if Option B is thought to have a better design ... I don't have reason to care if it's faster at doing things neither myself nor 98% other PC users do. I can not justify a $500 3900x for a pure gaming box when TPU test results show a $230 9600k outperforming it.
WHAT? LOL How new or innivative the design is may be dividends for the manufacturer... but it doesn't mean beans to the user.

First of all the majority of gaming benchmarks online show the 3900x beating the 9600k. But why would anybody compare a monster 3900x with a 9600k? That ZEN2 CPU is way far ahead of it in everything you throw at it. A better comparison and similarly priced CPU would the the 3600x 6Core/12Thread that competes well against the 9600k 6Core/6Thread in PC Gaming and offers users an upgrade pathway.
And the argument that Intel is still better at gaming is a age old argument that no longer holds water. Unless people consider a couple FPS swings as a reason to justify buying Intel CPUs that are going EOL.

Innovation, CPU design technological advancements, efficient manufacturing process ALL play a VITAL Role on a user choosing a CPU.
FYI, without Innovation, you end up with garbage IPC increases per generation for overpriced CPUs. Look what happened to the PC Gaming industry after AMD released Bulldozer in 2011. 6 years later AMD releases innovative ZEN and revitalized the PC Gaming industry. And continues to do so with ZEN+, ZEN2 and soon to come ZEN3. All while Intel stagnated it as much as possible and selling CPUs for a very high undeserving premium.

Intel Core i9 9900KS seems to be going EOL

We reviewed it back in November, the Intel Core i9 9900KS, Intels' premium processor running an all-core 5 GHz seems to have been going EOL as availability if the processor is dropping massively, an...

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Intel’s benchmarking antics questioned

Intel is cheating at benchmarks, we would say again but we have not seen any evidence they ever stopped.

semiaccurate.com

Intel pays for benchmarks, DECEIVES to make AMD look bad

Intel commissions Principled Technologies to benchmark Core i9 and AMD CPUs, has to LIE to look good.

www.tweaktown.com

Intel Caught Cheating, Gets a Slap on the Wrist 14 Years Later

If you bought a Pentium 4 CPU between 2000 and 2001 Intel owes you 15 bucks for fabricating benchmark results against AMD's Thunderbird CPU.

wccftech.com

AMD Calls Out Intel, BAPco For Benchmark Cheating

Once upon a time, benchmarks have been the favorite

www.slashgear.com

Intel Performance Strategy Team Publishing Intentionally Misleading Benchmarks

We checked the Intel performance strategy team's latest benchmarks and found that they used an intentionally misleading test to back their claims

www.servethehome.com

Performance Strategy Team?
That spells deep desperation for them.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

First of all the majority of gaming benchmarks online show the 3900x beating the 9600k. But why would anybody compare a monster 3900x with a 9600k? That ZEN2 CPU is way far ahead of it in everything you throw at it. A better comparison and similarly priced CPU would the the 3600x 6Core/12Thread that competes well against the 9600k 6Core/6Thread in PC Gaming and offers users an upgrade pathway.
And the argument that Intel is still better at gaming is a age old argument that no longer holds water. Unless people consider a couple FPS swings as a reason to justify buying Intel CPUs that are going EOL.

Intel Core i9 9900KS seems to be going EOL

We reviewed it back in November, the Intel Core i9 9900KS, Intels' premium processor running an all-core 5 GHz seems to have been going EOL as availability if the processor is dropping massively, an...

www.guru3d.com

Intel’s benchmarking antics questioned

Intel is cheating at benchmarks, we would say again but we have not seen any evidence they ever stopped.

semiaccurate.com

Intel pays for benchmarks, DECEIVES to make AMD look bad

Intel commissions Principled Technologies to benchmark Core i9 and AMD CPUs, has to LIE to look good.

www.tweaktown.com

Intel Caught Cheating, Gets a Slap on the Wrist 14 Years Later

If you bought a Pentium 4 CPU between 2000 and 2001 Intel owes you 15 bucks for fabricating benchmark results against AMD's Thunderbird CPU.

wccftech.com

AMD Calls Out Intel, BAPco For Benchmark Cheating

Once upon a time, benchmarks have been the favorite

www.slashgear.com

Intel Performance Strategy Team Publishing Intentionally Misleading Benchmarks

We checked the Intel performance strategy team's latest benchmarks and found that they used an intentionally misleading test to back their claims

www.servethehome.com

Performance Strategy Team?
That spells deep desperation for them.

Not sure why anyone would quote i5 or R5 for any justification! (most AMD people are cheap and most can't afford 3900X/3950X anyways.... Like taking about the $4000. 3990X monster like it was everyone every day CPU lol

Intel still has the fastest 6 cores CPU ever made!! (i7-8086K)....hasn't been beaten yet but maybe by the i5-10600K....we will see...if you dare to get into that stupid argument.

Same with 8 cores CPU's!.... Both 9900KS and 10700K are faster than AMD best 3800X.....

These are facts!... For now...

Now the only question is the performance between 9900KS and 10700K is more important at the moment. (until AMD 4000 series)

 

[Super XP]

Most AMD people are cheap and some can't afford? Lol that's your opinion, and not based on facts.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

Most AMD people are cheap and some can't afford? Lol that's your opinion, and not based on facts.

Are you applying that most AMD guy are all buying Top end R9 3900X/3950X vs 3800X, 3700X, 3600X?

What sells more? 3900X or 3700X

Is the statement I said...

So what again are AMD guys buying?

It's the same with Intel guys.....more people are going to buy the i7-10700K then the top i9-10900K

In fact the i5-10600K will out sell both.

 

[Super XP]

Are you applying that most AMD guy are all buying Top end R9 3900X/3950X vs 3800X, 3700X, 3600X?

What sells more? 3900X or 3700X

Is the statement I said...

So what again are AMD guys buying?

It's the same with Intel guys.....more people are going to buy the i7-10700K then the top i9-10900K

In fact the i5-10600K will out sell both.

You can't just assume that AMD people are cheap. That's simply not the case.

View AMD people as Smart Buyers. Looking for top performance for fair value. That's a lot better than being ripped off by Nvidia and Intel. Wouldn't you say?

 

[ToxicTaZ]

You can't just assume that AMD people are cheap. That's simply not the case.

View AMD people as Smart Buyers. Looking for top performance for fair value. That's a lot better than being ripped off by Nvidia and Intel. Wouldn't you say?

Well when the first thing that comes out of your mouth is price price price...it's really really hard not saying the word cheap.

90% CPU base buyers are not buying 3950X or 9900KS end of story.

i5 and R5 sell the most!
i9 and R9 sell the least amount.

i5 and R5 are Intel and AMD money makers!!!

So can say whatever but this is really.

 

[Super XP]

Well when the first thing that comes out of your mouth is price price price...it's really really hard not saying the word cheap.

90% CPU base buyers are not buying 3950X or 9900KS end of story.

i5 and R5 sell the most!
i9 and R9 sell the least amount.

i5 and R5 are Intel and AMD money makers!!!

So can say whatever but this is really.

You shouldn't confuse Cheap Buyers with Smart Buyers. Both AMD & Intel owners have a mix of those that want Value no matter what and those that want the best Price/Performance Processors on the planet. There's absolutely nothing wrong with looking for value & performance. Why on earth would people want to OVERPAY (Intel CPUs) for less when you can get Lower Priced & Higher Performance (AMD CPUs)? Both AMD & Intel owners are Smart Buyers. Remember that,

In January 2020 Amazon's TOP Selling Processors, the 3950X was 3rd hottest selling CPU and 3900X was 8th hottest selling CPU.

The top 10 processors on Amazon at the time of publishing are as follows:

1. AMD RYzen 5 2600
2. AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
3. AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
4. AMD Ryzen 5 1600
5. AMD Ryzen 7 2700
6. AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
7. AMD Ryzen 5 2600X
8. AMD Ryzen 5 3600
9. AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
10. AMD Ryzen 7 3700X

Today Amazon's top selling CPUs, the 3900X is #4, the 3950X is #13.
Newegg - Top selling CPUs Ryzen 3950X #2 & Ryzen Threadripper 3970X #3

Top Sellers in Processors - Desktops - Newegg.com

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www.newegg.com

So far AMD has held the top spot on Amazon's top selling CPUs for over 1 year now. Which explains why AMD rules the processor desktop market by up to 85% market share.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

You shouldn't confuse Cheap Buyers with Smart Buyers. Both AMD & Intel owners have a mix of those that want Value no matter what and those that want the best Price/Performance Processors on the planet. There's absolutely nothing wrong with looking for value & performance. Why on earth would people want to OVERPAY (Intel CPUs) for less when you can get Lower Priced & Higher Performance (AMD CPUs)? Both AMD & Intel owners are Smart Buyers. Remember that,

In January 2020 Amazon's TOP Selling Processors, the 3950X was 3rd hottest selling CPU and 3900X was 8th hottest selling CPU.

Today Amazon's top selling CPUs, the 3900X is #4, the 3950X is #13.
Newegg - Top selling CPUs Ryzen 3950X #2 & Ryzen Threadripper 3970X #3

Top Sellers in Processors - Desktops - Newegg.com

Newegg.com offers the best prices on computer products, laptop computers, LED LCD TVs, digital cameras, electronics, unlocked phones, office supplies, and more with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Newegg shopping upgraded ™

www.newegg.com

So far AMD has held the top spot on Amazon's top selling CPUs for over 1 year now. Which explains why AMD rules the processor desktop market by up to 85% market share.

That's horrible lol

After all your wasted time broken links Intel still controlling 82% of planet earth x86 CPUs....that leaves AMD @18%....is definitely better than last year.

No point for paying for AMD since the.....3800X gets whooped buy both 9900KS and 10700K and the 10700K cost less than the 3800X does.

10700K is 8 core vs core value to the 3800X

So the smart guy would buy the 10700K because its cheaper and outperforming the 3800X

Better get your money ready for your new 10700K CPU going by your logic.

 

[dirtyferret]

I'm glad someone pointed this out! The fact is that Intel is NOT the fastest at gaming IN GENERAL, they're ONLY the fastest at gaming in the specific instance of low resolution (1080p or lower), high refresh, and with a 2080 ti (or whatever the top consumer card may be at the moment).

So Intel is "ONLY" faster in scenarios where as much of the GPU bottleneck is removed. "IN GENERAL" as long as you don't want high refresh rates and won't ever upgrade your GPU past a 2080 ti you are better off with AMD? Got it!

P.S. your cap lock key may be broken

 

[Super XP]

That's horrible lol

After all your wasted time broken links Intel still controlling 82% of planet earth x86 CPUs....that leaves AMD @18%....is definitely better than last year.

No point for paying for AMD since the.....3800X gets whooped buy both 9900KS and 10700K and the 10700K cost less than the 3800X does.

10700K is 8 core vs core value to the 3800X

So the smart guy would buy the 10700K because its cheaper and outperforming the 3800X

Better get your money ready for your new 10700K CPU going by your logic.

Why would I buy an obsolete 10th Gen Intel CPU that runs hot and has security vulnerabilities lol and the 3800X blows it away in multithreading.

 

[EarthDog]

Why would I buy an obsolete 10th Gen Intel CPU that runs hot and has security vulnerabilities lol and the 3800X blows it away in multithreading.

There are reasons not to buy them....price compared to same core count to name one reason...

However, as a home user, these security issues dont mean much at all. Have you read about them and know how they work (respectfully, it doesnt sound like it)?

You dont think amd cpus arent generally temperature limited too? Are 10th gens out and benchmarked? I mean core for core thread for thread, they arent much faster. Then you can actually overclock the Intel cpu...of course to your cooling limit, but 5ghz is typically in the cards with high-end air/2x120+ aio. 4.3 ghz is about all every zen2 cpu reaches...

Which explains why AMD rules the processor desktop market by up to 85% market share.

Can you provide a link that shows amd with 85% market share please...

You can't just assume that AMD people are cheap. That's simply not the case

We cant? That was their whole 'thing' prior to Zen2 (not zen, or zen+). This is the the first time AMD has had the (multithreaded) performance crown in well over a decade.. amd was 'built'on being cheap... so yes, I'd agree many are looking for cheap. The difference today is they have a great product to compete and in some cases win against the same core count processor versus the trash they put out prior to zen.

 

[Super XP]

There are reasons not to buy them....price compared to same core count to name one reason...

However, as a home user, these security issues dont mean much at all. Have you read about them and know how they work (respectfully, it doesnt sound like it)?

You dont think amd cpus arent generally temperature limited too? Are 10th gens out and benchmarked? I mean core for core thread for thread, they arent much faster. Then you can actually overclock the Intel cpu...of course to your cooling limit, but 5ghz is typically in the cards with high-end air/2x120+ aio. 4.3 ghz is about all every zen2 cpu reaches...

Can you provide a link that shows amd with 85% market share please...

We cant? That was their whole 'thing' prior to Zen2 (not zen, or zen+). This is the the first time AMD has had the (multithreaded) performance crown in well over a decade.. amd was 'built'on being cheap... so yes, I'd agree many are looking for cheap. The difference today is they have a great product to compete and in some cases win against the same core count processor versus the trash they put out prior to zen.

I agree to a certain extent. It took AMD years to finally come out with something very competitive. But all I keep reading is massive negativity from those that refuse to accept ZEN as a viable CPU option. Technologically ZEN2 is well ahead of Intel in architecture, manufacturing process, price and performance. Anyhow I've debated this point to kingdom come. Lol just give AMD credit for coming out with ZEN and disrupting the entire CPU market, the same market that stagnated since 2011.

Here. Basing that on a major German retailer.

AMD dominates Intel with 82% market share with major German retailer

Germany's largest retailer sees AMD domination with 82% market share, Intel losing big time.

www.tweaktown.com

 

[EarthDog]

Here. Basing that on a major German retailer.

AMD dominates Intel with 82% market share with major German retailer

Germany's largest retailer sees AMD domination with 82% market share, Intel losing big time.

www.tweaktown.com

So...one random retail store chain in Germany suddenly means amd has 85% market share??? Do you know what market share means (again, respectfully, your answer implies you do not).

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[Super XP]

So...one random retail store chain in Germany suddenly means amd has 85% market share??? Do you know what market share means (again, respectfully, your answer implies you do not).

Truthfully I remembered this from last year but forgot the actual details. So I should have refrased my comment better.
It's one of the largest retailers in Germany. That alone shows a high probability it's happening in other retailers, including Amazon, Newegg etc.,

 

[EarthDog]

Truthfully I remembered this from last year but forgot the actual details. So I should have refrased my comment better.
It's one of the largest retailers in Germany. That alone shows a high probability it's happening in other retailers, including Amazon, Newegg etc.,

It does not. Correlation is not causation.

Point is, they are gaining market share...nobody doubts that. However saying they have "up to 85%" is complete FUD (bullshit). One retailer in one country and their sales over a year is NOT marketshare! Use your head.

 

[Super XP]

It does not. Correlation is not causation.

Point is, they are gaining market share...nobody doubts that. However saying they have "up to 85%" is complete FUD (bullshit). One retailer in one country and their sales over a year is NOT marketshare! Use your head.

It's a good thing I did use my head.

AMD Ryzen Overtakes Intel Core CPUs Market Share In Major Asian Pacific Markets, Highest CPU Share in 5 Years

AMD has gained massive market share with their Ryzen processors versus Intel's Core lineup in major Asian markets such as Korea and Japan.

wccftech.com

 

[EarthDog]

It's a good thing I did use my head.

AMD Ryzen Overtakes Intel Core CPUs Market Share In Major Asian Pacific Markets, Highest CPU Share in 5 Years

AMD has gained massive market share with their Ryzen processors versus Intel's Core lineup in major Asian markets such as Korea and Japan.

wccftech.com

Again, current # of sales /= market share.

Here is what Market Share means:

The market share is calculated by dividing the volume of goods sold by a particular firm by the total number of units in the market.

AMD is gaining market share due to how well Ryzen has been selling, no doubt, however they are not close to owning overall market share.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

Why would I buy an obsolete 10th Gen Intel CPU that runs hot and has security vulnerabilities lol and the 3800X blows it away in multithreading.

The 10700K using less power and runs cooler than the 9900KS and "both" 9900KS and 10700K don't have vulnerabilities! That was all fixed with stepping 13 if you did your research. And the 10700K is above the 3800X in performance everything and with a lower price point! (Best 8 cores vs best 8 cores) "we are not talking expensive multicore 3900X/3950X here...

Why would you pay more for less performance buying a 3800X... No point.... If you want the best 8 cores CPU that's cheaper than your 3800X then your 10700K is best smart value!

 

[jabbadap]

Hmm, I have always though 3800x is that pointless cpu anyway. Buy 3700x for cheaper and OC that. Stock TDPs are meant to be broken.

Haven't really followed cpu market lately(Cpus are quite dull). Will that 10th series be pin compatible with upcoming 10nm processors too(LGA1200 or what was it again), or is there even 10nm cpu on the radar for desktop.