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[Cheeseball]

And this is a bad thing how? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but I would think having the discrete GPU handle the gaming load and the iGPU handle everything else (everyday tasks, watching video/movies, etc.) would be a GOOD thing. Would you rather the iGPU handle the heavier gaming workload and the RTX 260 handle the everyday stuff?

Exactly. I don't see how this is a bad thing. NVIDIA's Optimus implementation is really good.

And seeing how the current NVIDIA Studio Driver and current Radeon Pro drivers are working well (not in Optimus, of course) in my desktop, I'm sure this configuration would work out just fine.

180W power adaptor
Support Type-C PD 3.0 up to 65W

Err.. why not 100W (20V/5A)? PD 3.0 supports this.

But this thing would definitely replace my Dell G5 5587 provided that it is at most $1,399.00.

 

[GoldenX]

D3D13? I thought Microsoft is content with extending D3D12 by adding more feature levels

Next change is not just features, and some are even being dropped, like tessellation.

 

[ARF]

And this is a bad thing how? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but I would think having the discrete GPU handle the gaming load and the iGPU handle everything else (everyday tasks, watching video/movies, etc.) would be a GOOD thing. Would you rather the iGPU handle the heavier gaming workload and the RTX 260 handle the everyday stuff?

What's a bad thing?

Asus don't know about this and don't mention it in the product description.
You don't have full and wide Vega iGPU acceleration in apps and software.

Only here and there and partial support.

 

[Flanker]

What's a bad thing?

Asus don't know about this and don't mention it in the product description.
You don't have full and wide Vega iGPU acceleration in apps and software.

Only here and there and partial support.

Well Asus' job is to provide access to the iGPU through their drivers. The rest is up to the developers of each app and software.

 

[SL2]

And this is a bad thing how? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but I would think having the discrete GPU handle the gaming load and the iGPU handle everything else (everyday tasks, watching video/movies, etc.) would be a GOOD thing. Would you rather the iGPU handle the heavier gaming workload and the RTX 260 handle the everyday stuff?

Using just the APU as much as possible saves battery? I'm just guessing here, just like eveyone else.

 

[Vya Domus]

And like that, you lost me.

It just means that the CUs are the same, 64 wide wavefronts being computed in 4 clock cycles over 16 shaders.

 

[ARF]

Well Asus' job is to provide access to the iGPU through their drivers. The rest is up to the developers of each app and software.

Well, Asus' job is to inform the users that their Ryzen 7 4800HS is an APU with integrated Vega which can, does and should accelerate video playback, encoding, transcoding, decoding, Blender and many other apps.
The users' job is to download the drivers from https://www.amd.com/en/support.

You can't wait for the drivers to be published on the Asus' website.

Using just the APU as much as possible saves battery? I'm just guessing here, just like eveyone else.

Using just the APU saves power consumption, yes. And avoids the constant switching from the Vega to the other graphics.

 

[Flanker]

Well, Asus' job is to inform the users that their Ryzen 7 4800HS is an APU with integrated Vega which can, does and should accelerate video playback, encoding, transcoding, decoding, Blender and many other apps.
The users' job is to download the drivers from https://www.amd.com/en/support.

You can't wait for the drivers to be published on the Asus' website.

Hold on, I thought drivers for switching laptop GPUs, like the ones for Optimus, are specific to each laptop, so the only the laptop manufacturers should have the right drivers no? Or are you saying ASUS doesn't keep them up to date and doesn't advertise the iGPU?

 

[GoldenX]

It just means that the CUs are the same, 64 wide wavefronts being computed in 4 clock cycles over 16 shaders.

In a GCN5.0 array, no thanks.

 

[ARF]

Hold on, I thought drivers for switching laptop GPUs, like the ones for Optimus, are specific to each laptop, so the only the laptop manufacturers should have the right drivers no? Or are you saying ASUS doesn't keep them up to date and doesn't advertise the iGPU?

Take a look at a model that is available for quite some time on the market - ASUS ZenBook 14 UM431DA with Ryzen 5 3500U or Ryzen 7 3700U https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-ZenBook-14-UM431DA/HelpDesk_Download/

I don't see a graphics driver available for download at all, while the others are several months old.

 

[Vya Domus]

In a GCN5.0 array, no thanks.

It works in the same way as before so who cares.

 

[Flanker]

Take a look at a model that is available for quite some time on the market - ASUS ZenBook 14 UM431DA with Ryzen 5 3500U or Ryzen 7 3700U https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-ZenBook-14-UM431DA/HelpDesk_Download/

I don't see a graphics driver available for download at all, while the others are several months old.

I see a chipset driver with a file name of APU, that not it?

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/DriversForWin10/Chipset/Chipset_DCH_F_AMD_APU_Win10_64_V2620110161.zip

 

[ARF]

I see a chipset driver with a file name of APU, that not it?

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/DriversForWin10/Chipset/Chipset_DCH_F_AMD_APU_Win10_64_V2620110161.zip

That's not a graphics driver , and it's old, from July last year.
The latest AMD driver is 20.2.2 WHQL at AMD.com/support.

 

[Flanker]

That's not a graphics driver , and it's old, from July last year.
The latest AMD driver is 20.2.2 WHQL at AMD.com/support.

I'll need to keep that in mind when buying a ASUS laptop next time then

 

[ARF]

I'll need to keep that in mind when buying a ASUS laptop next time then

Acer are the same - you can download the graphics and chipset driver directly from AMD at the moment of their release, while you can rely on the OEM website for something like the Audio drivers because if downloaded from somewhere else, you might miss either its Dolby Audio control panel, stability or both.

 

[londiste]

Possibility of getting a driver directly from AMD was the whole point of one of the AMD pushes on mobile.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Err.. why not 100W (20V/5A)? PD 3.0 supports this.

But this thing would definitely replace my Dell G5 5587 provided that it is at most $1,399.00.

Because the laptop power adapter would need a lot of overhead and it requires different USB PD parts to do 20V compared to the lower Voltages.

Possibility of getting a driver directly from AMD was the whole point of one of the AMD pushes on mobile.

This. But I guess people aren't actually paying attention to important announcements like this...

 

[GoldenX]

It works in the same way as before so who cares.

Having a Zen2 APU would be even better with the new RDNA, just saying.

 

[Cheeseball]

Because the laptop power adapter would need a lot of overhead and it requires different USB PD parts to do 20V compared to the lower Voltages.

Not necessarily. You can still have the normal 180W barrel-type AC adapter for gaming/heavy usage and use a 20V/5A USB-C PD 3.0 AC adapter just for light-to-medium use and trickle-charging. (I think thats why they have the 65W implementation).

What I meant is they should've allowed the laptop to request 20V at 5A instead of limiting it to 3.25A. The MSI Prestige 14/15, Razer Blade Stealth 1650 (mine) and Apple MacBook Pro 16" all strictly follow the PD 3.0 standard and will request 100W while charging over 20% and under 90%. If they implemented PPS (which would require specially-built PD 3.0 AC adapters) they can optimize the charge rate to prevent battery strain while charging.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Not necessarily. You can still have the normal 180W barrel-type AC adapter for gaming/heavy usage and use a 20V/5A USB-C PD 3.0 AC adapter just for light-to-medium use and trickle-charging. (I think thats why they have the 65W implementation).

What I meant is they should've allowed the laptop to request 20V at 5A instead of limiting it to 3.25A. The MSI Prestige 14/15, Razer Blade Stealth 1650 (mine) and Apple MacBook Pro 16" all strictly follow the PD 3.0 standard and will request 100W while charging over 20% and under 90%. If they implemented PPS (which would require specially-built PD 3.0 AC adapters) they can optimize the charge rate to prevent battery strain while charging.

Sure, but in this case it's most likely in/out, so for the laptop to provide 100W, you need a 280W power adapter, in theory.
65W isn't really part of the USB PD standard though, as 3.25A is not part of the spec. It's either 3A or 5A. Either way it would be 20V though...

I still believe this is something they've done to save some cost, as the 100W USB PD parts are still quite price and require some additional parts.

 

[Cheeseball]

Sure, but in this case it's most likely in/out, so for the laptop to provide 100W, you need a 280W power adapter, in theory.
65W isn't really part of the USB PD standard though, as 3.25A is not part of the spec. It's either 3A or 5A. Either way it would be 20V though...

I still believe this is something they've done to save some cost, as the 100W USB PD parts are still quite price and require some additional parts.

Ah, what I mean is for primarily for charging the laptop (not necessarily output from the laptop to another sink). However, PD output from the laptop would be a nice feature, but in that case I would rather max output at 18W (for smartphones and such) and increase input to 20V/5A.

Also, a bit of correction there, it doesn't necessarily need to be fixed values (e.g. strictly only 3.00A, 4.00A, etc.), it can be variable up to a maximum of 5.00 A, as shown in your chart. This makes sense as many devices have varying power requirements that aren't absolutes, like Apple's 96W charger (20V / 4.8A) which is USB-IF certified.