AMD 4th Gen Ryzen Desktop Processors to Launch Around September 2020

[Super XP]

It is not my obfuscation in not being able to differentiate the monkey year from the bat, sorry. I'll see myself out. #GETAKICKOUTOFIT.

Perhaps I misunderstood your original point? lol

 

[mtcn77]

Perhaps I misunderstood your original point? lol

No, I'm just displacing the need for accuracy to, you guessed it, the ceo and reserving the right to be flippant all to myself.

 

[neomoco]

To be honest i was laughing until now and we all were , but now i am starting to be worried about a weak intel. Amd prices for sure are high and will go up with no competition and i don`t know about you but i feel like the prices could be lower and they could still make a nice profit ... . All this thing with weak intel make no mistake ... we are paying for it from our own pockets to amd`s pocket. Sure they have nice proccesors but they could be cheaper 20-30% with a stronger intel. On the laptops side thow we need more action from amd and we are getting it this year at last.

 

[Master Tom]

To be honest i was laughing until now and we all were , but now i am starting to be worried about a weak intel. Amd prices for sure are high and will go up with no competition and i don`t know about you but i feel like the prices could be lower and they could still make a nice profit ... . All this thing with weak intel make no mistake ... we are paying for it from our own pockets to amd`s pocket. Sure they have nice proccesors but they could be cheaper 20-30% with a stronger intel. On the laptops side thow we need more action from amd and we are getting it this year at last.

In my humble Opinion AMD processors are already very cheap. Do yo want them as a present?

 

[ARF]

To be honest i was laughing until now and we all were , but now i am starting to be worried about a weak intel. Amd prices for sure are high and will go up with no competition and i don`t know about you but i feel like the prices could be lower and they could still make a nice profit ... . All this thing with weak intel make no mistake ... we are paying for it from our own pockets to amd`s pocket. Sure they have nice proccesors but they could be cheaper 20-30% with a stronger intel. On the laptops side thow we need more action from amd and we are getting it this year at last.

In reality, the current situation is much better competition than if Intel is on par with AMD performance wise.
Because when Intel is good enough, every single OEM will be corrupted and buy from Intel only.
When, however, AMD is dominant, some of the OEMs may change their minds and start purchasing from AMD.

So, for the consumers, the best situation is right now.
We need a weak Intel and extremely strong AMD, in order to escape from the spell.

AMD's prices could have been a bit lower but let's pray that they invest this money appropriately.

Navi 21 is the most important product launch. Forget Zen 3.

 

[ixi]

Hope will work with Win 7, just like my 3600X.

Why still somebody would use old is with new hardware? Why don't you want to move to w10?

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

Why still somebody would use old is with new hardware? Why don't you want to move to w10?

stubborn & afraid of new Windows "borking" their hardware when there's more good than bad with the latest build of Windows 10 (1909).

 

[Yournotme]

Now that the virus ruined my ryzen 9 3950X plans by blow my economy to peaces. Maybe a Ryzen 9 4950X can be my chance to upgrade from X58 finnally.

I went from a core I7-920 a 6 xeon since it worked in my asus x58 board to a 3950x. The x58 platform worked very well over the years. It is showing its age. Dependsing on what cpu you have most of the x58 boards support the xeon chips and you can get a 6 core for like 30 dollars.

 

[Tomgang]

I went from a core I7-920 a 6 xeon since it worked in my asus x58 board to a 3950x. The x58 platform worked very well over the years. It is showing its age. Dependsing on what cpu you have most of the x58 boards support the xeon chips and you can get a 6 core for like 30 dollars.

If you look in my signature, you will see I have an i7 980x. So I can't really get much better cpu for X58.

 

[dlee5495]

To be honest i was laughing until now and we all were , but now i am starting to be worried about a weak intel. Amd prices for sure are high and will go up with no competition and i don`t know about you but i feel like the prices could be lower and they could still make a nice profit ... . All this thing with weak intel make no mistake ... we are paying for it from our own pockets to amd`s pocket. Sure they have nice proccesors but they could be cheaper 20-30% with a stronger intel. On the laptops side thow we need more action from amd and we are getting it this year at last.

the dragon cpus from china, with x86 licensed from AMD, will change the market of desktop and server computers, and probably laptops eventually. Like Africa jumping from no telephones to cellphones as its infrastructure, but they are out of the gate with samples for something that's weak at single core, but can do multicore like a 7th gen i5.

Lisa Su is a she, btw - someone earlier thought otherwise

 

[Super XP]

the dragon cpus from china, with x86 licensed from AMD, will change the market of desktop and server computers, and probably laptops eventually. Like Africa jumping from no telephones to cellphones as its infrastructure, but they are out of the gate with samples for something that's weak at single core, but can do multicore like a 7th gen i5.

Lisa Su is a she, btw - someone earlier thought otherwise

AMD took years of Intel abuse. I can see how and why AMD would licence x86 for these mysterious CPUs from China. Something like sticking it to Intel for example? lol

 

[dlee5495]

AMD took years of Intel abuse. I can see how and why AMD would licence x86 for these mysterious CPUs from China. Something like sticking it to Intel for example? lol

There's also the issue of money - getting funded so that they could get back to competitive with their chips while making what compromises they might in terms of security (which they still tried to hedge against with how the contract was set up & what the chinese chip designers were allowed to do with approval by amd inspectors). "What does chip security mean if you'd lose your company anyway?" might be the logic. They had sweat equity on the IP (they did 64-bit earlier and made the standard) and were within their rights to sell some. Not sure anyone's really ready for where China goes with it though.

 

[Super XP]

There's also the issue of money - getting funded so that they could get back to competitive with their chips while making what compromises they might in terms of security (which they still tried to hedge against with how the contract was set up & what the chinese chip designers were allowed to do with approval by amd inspectors). "What does chip security mean if you'd lose your company anyway?" might be the logic. They had sweat equity on the IP (they did 64-bit earlier and made the standard) and were within their rights to sell some. Not sure anyone's really ready for where China goes with it though.

Makes logical sense, agreed.

 

[daveteauk]

I think it's highly optimistic.

COVID-19 is going to cripple America like nothing before it.

I think you'll find that TSMC, the producer of AMD chips, are not located in America!

 

[dlee5495]

Makes logical sense, agreed.

The new article on the B550 means maybe more has changed than just efficiency and power of CPUs; they seem to be dropping their long boast of enduring motherboard support - not sure what happened there.

 

[daveteauk]

Well, it's just a modification of the current products, the same manufacturing process, so even that is kind of late for what it offers.

Hardly 'just a modification' with a new structure/architecture, with a different fabrication process! And it seems to be offering quite large gains in IPC and clock speeds, so what it offers looks really good IMO. Looks like you could do with some new architecture in your rig

 

[ARF]

Hardly 'just a modification' with a new structure/architecture, with a different fabrication process! And it seems to be offering quite large gains in IPC and clock speeds, so what it offers looks really good IMO. Looks like you could do with some new architecture in your rig

No.

I meant that we won't see more cores, and to me more cores is the most important improvement.

My next will be around DDR5, and perhaps a notebook APU with as many cores as possible. Navi 2X or Navi 3X would be nice, too.

 

[daveteauk]

No.

I meant that we won't see more cores, and to me more cores is the most important improvement.

My next will be around DDR5, and perhaps a notebook APU with as many cores as possible. Navi 2X or Navi 3X would be nice, too.

Yes.

More cores is not too important to me, and many others - I want/need more speed on the present amount of cores; how many do you want/need fer christs sake, Isn't 16 enough for you?? If they upped the speed to nearer 5GHz on boost, so just a c7% increase would do it; and Intel would curl over and die, I hope. They've been rippng us off for years.

 

[ARF]

Yes.

More cores is not too important to me, and many others - I want/need more speed on the present amount of cores; how many do you want/need fer christs sake, Isn't 16 enough for you?? If they upped the speed to nearer 5GHz on boost, so just a c7% increase would do it; and Intel would curl over and die, I hope. They've been rippng us off for years.

When they give more cores, the current offerings will fall in prices. Yes, 16 cores is okeyish but NOT for $750 or higher.

 

[EarthDog]

and to me more cores is the most important improvement.

Says the 1% who are actually able to utilize more than 8c/16t? For someone who believes more cores is the most important improvement, your old school dually and quad apu have to be getting punished by you.

 

[Master Tom]

I meant that we won't see more cores, and to me more cores is the most important improvement.

That is not, what you said before.
If you want more cores get a Threadripper. No problem.
If you don't have money, start saving it until you can afford the Threadripper or get a credit.

 

[Super XP]

The new article on the B550 means maybe more has changed than just efficiency and power of CPUs; they seem to be dropping their long boast of enduring motherboard support - not sure what happened there.

From 2016/2017 announcement of supporting Socket AM4 all the way though into 2020, things seem to have changed along the way. Anyhow I am OK with AMDs decision. I rather ZEN3 perform the way its was intended to perform over compatibility with older chipsets such as the x370 with jeopardizing its performance. My assumption of course. Who knows really,

Well, it's just a modification of the current products, the same manufacturing process, so even that is kind of late for what it offers.

ZEN3 is a different architectural design over ZEN2 with substantial IPC gains according to AMD. Though ZEN3 might share some aspects of ZEN2, they are different, regardless of process node.
ZEN3 offers an upgrade path for ZEN, ZEN+, ZEN2 owners on top of every single Intel Owner looking for better price/performance processors over what ever Intel has out to date.

Says the 1% who are actually able to utilize more than 8c/16t? For someone who believes more cores is the most important improvement, your old school dually and quad apu have to be getting punished by you.

Many people more than utilize more cores. But I think a 8c/16t is more than enough for the majority of people. I rather see higher IPC gains over more cores.
Though adding more cores only benefits those that can utilize such hosepower. Gamers were good with 8c/16t, and that figure should be the absolute min count IMO.

 

[HAG3N]

Can't wait. It has been so hard NOT to fold, and buy either a 3900x or a 3950x this year. But, I've been a responsible adult(for a change) and waiting for 4th gen, so I can replace my 1600X, 1700, and a 2700X chips. Hopefully, this will bring a generational IPC gain, and will have given 7nm a chance to mature.

Then, in a couple of years, I'll upgrade again, which should fall in line with DDR5 release, and compatible mobos by Q3/4 of 2022. Who knows, if I work hard, and sell a few organs, I could possibly afford replace the GPUs too. Anyone need a Kidney, Lung, or half a Liver?

 

[Super XP]

Can't wait. It has been so hard NOT to fold, and buy either a 3900x or a 3950x this year. But, I've been a responsible adult(for a change) and waiting for 4th gen, so I can replace my 1600X, 1700, and a 2700X chips. Hopefully, this will bring a generational IPC gain, and will have given 7nm a chance to mature.

Then, in a couple of years, I'll upgrade again, which should fall in line with DDR5 release, and compatible mobos by Q3/4 of 2022. Who knows, if I work hard, and sell a few organs, I could possibly afford replace the GPUs too. Anyone need a Kidney, Lung, or half a Liver?

A generational upgrade would be a ZEN3 based processor.
That's what I am holding out for, can't wait.

 

[Shojan-]

Spoke to my computer guy, He said, If you're going to get the 4th gen CPU then you're going to need a new MOBO because they are changing the pin configuration on the CPU's. I'm in the middle of building my PC and I ws saving the MOBO and CPU for last. Now I'm waiting a little longer in order to ge the best compatible MOBO for the Ryzen 5 4600 CPU that I plan on purchasing. It's a good thing because RGB is becoming A-RGB (5v addressable) and not a lot of MOBO's have the appropriate 5V sockets for them to plug into.