AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

[apoklyps3]

Why is it that everyone treats AMD with a double standard? Nvidia jacks up prices on RTX, that's ok, but when AMD prices Navi similarly for similar performance, everyone gets hysterical because I guess they have an expectation that AMD, and only AMD, should sell them whatever they want dirt cheap. Intel has a chipset support a single generation, but then when AMD supports 3 generations with a Chipset, everyone gets hysterical, because I guess they expect AMD, and only AMD, to allow them to use their crappy B350 board forever.


Dinged?

why?
because X570 super expensive and I have waited 1 year for B550 until I finally gave up and got a B450 and paired with a 3700x. While B550 is nothing more than a X470 with limited PCIe 4.0 support, now I'm locked from upgrading to 4000 series when it comes out.
It's a dickmove, just like disabling PCIe 4.0 on older boards was.
AMD can't afford dickmoves...they just recently got on top. that's not the way to stay there

 

[TheLostSwede]

If bios size is an issue, cant they just make a bios with support for a specific cpu generation saving rom space?

In theory, yes. However, it takes time to make these things and even more so, test them. As such, it's something I can't see the board makers being willing to do, unless there's a really good reason for them to do so. I mean, after all, they've already sold the product to you and would rather sell you another, than continuing adding support for new CPUs to an old board. This is capitalism for you.

 

[apoklyps3]

Yes I'll take my dicking from the front and not behind my back also take it with reliable/stable system operation and the fastest gaming performance.



It's exactly what I did got my z490 board already in pre-order.

This was the final sign that I was making the right choice to stick with old reliable (and not to mention the best performance) I'll pay a bit more to never have to troubleshoot insane boot problems. I've already had to do it more than enough for friends.




It still doesn't (even being hundreds more) beat a 500 Intel cpu at gaming. That's all that matters to me and it's never going to be a crown amd wears.


My goal is 4k/120hz gaming (my displays native Max) and with a upgrade to whatever the fastest hdmi 2.1 gpu there is in my future I will not "settle" for amd and the one trick they had that was weighing on me is now gone and I'm free to choose Intel without any guilt.

yeah nobody cares about your "I'll pay million if intel asks it for the lowest end celeron, just because Intel is intel fanboyism".
grow up. it's 2020
on the other hand I get why all of you intel fanboys are stuck in the past...you're on par with their manufacturing process

 

[Camm]

Whilst I'm only disappointed, not angry at the 4000 incompatibility announcement, I think it is time however to be angry at the shitty situation of Ryzen APU's.

A gen behind, but tagged with the current generation part number. Release your damn APU's along with the actual CPU architecture they go with.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Sigh. Like a 3950x is already a bottleneck, let alone the use of PCI-E 3.0 vs 4.0. There's not a single graphics card to fully tap 3.0 either. And if it's for NVME storage or so; really there's only a few type of workloads that could benefit from more transfer speeds then ever, but it aint much. And in that case PCI-E 3.0 still offers sufficient bandwitdh for any type of day system you need.

I think you misread what I wrote. The uplink between the CPU and chipset. As the chipset has more PCIe 3.0 lanes than the uplink, plus SATA, USB 3.x etc.
As with most chipsets, this is the bottle neck and although it doesn't effect most people in a daily usage scenario, it's a bottleneck regardless.
Same issue for Intel and their chipset interconnect as well, so nothing unique to AMD.
Not asking for the B550 chipset to support PCIe 4.0 for it's PCIe lanes, the X570 already does that.

 

[Vya Domus]

Can see why people feel cheated since AMD stated the AM4 socket would be supported through 2020

They don't, you're just seeing dormant fanboys and trolls, ironically this is controversial because of the insane number of incompatible sockets/chipsets Intel released over the years, not AMD. You know times are rough when you end up complaining of something your favorite company did relentlessly for a decade .

AMD promised interoperability between chipsets and CPUs and that the socket wont change for 4 years. Let's see, first gen Ryzen was released back in 2017 now we're mid 2020, that's about ... 4 years. For the most parts with a couple of issues here and there they've kept their promise. If you've bought into the AM4 platform back then you still have so many options for an upgrade now that it makes any platform Intel ever released a laughing stock. I mean you could go from a 4c/4t to a 16c/32t CPU with more IPC and clock speed if you really wanted, that's crazy.

You, @AnarchoPrimitiv, might want to retract that statement of @lynx29 being a possible Intel fanboy.

That guy has been spamming forums about why he's going for Intel/AMD for as long as I remember seeing him on here. That's basically all he posts about.

 

[midnightoil]

Two things.

1) You will be able to use Ryzen 4xxx on 4xx and 3xx, if your motherboard vendor supports it .... AMD won't support it. The motherboard vendors would not thank AMD for *forcing* them to fully support and update BIOS on all 1st gen motherboards for a 4th gen CPU, and they couldn't force them to anyway.

It's exactly the same as the A320, B350 and X370 boards that support Ryzen 3xxx (virtually all of them). AMD don't support it, and the motherboard vendors don't support them as much as the newer boards, but it works fine.

2) There has never been X670. This has been common knowledge since June of last year.

P.S. The staff at this site, every other PC News site, and all the tech YouTube channels all know this. But they're not telling you because clickbait.

 

[TheLostSwede]

why?
because X570 super expensive and I have waited 1 year for B550 until I finally gave up and got a B450 and paired with a 3700x. While B550 is nothing more than a X470 with limited PCIe 4.0 support, now I'm locked from upgrading to 4000 series when it comes out.
It's a dickmove, just like disabling PCIe 4.0 on older boards was.
AMD can't afford dickmoves...they just recently got on top. that's not the way to stay there

Disabling? I don't think you understand what went on. I have explained this before.
To adhere to the PCI Express specification, products have to be certified. Without certification, you can't claim compatibility.
Some older boards were nearly good enough to be certified for PCIe 4.0, but sadly they didn't pass the certification requirements and you can't support a standard to 98% and pass certification. What mad the matters worse, is that most boards were nowhere near passing the certification tests. So in as much as AMD hadn't disabled PCIe 4.0 operation in the AGESA, they never explicitly 1. told the board makers to implement it and 2. that it would be a guaranteed feature.
In the end, they decided it couldn't happen, as the X470 and B450 boards weren't made to such a level that they could pass the certification requirements.

 

[evernessince]

People saying this is the end of AMD, obvious trolls are obvious.

This should go without saying but it is highly likely that motherboard vendors add support for these new processors on older motherboards. After all the exact same thing happen when the 3000 series released. Both B350 and X370 motherboards for the most part received 3000 series support despite not being mandated by AMD.

 

[1d10t]

Here's hoping i can keep another Gen for my B450
Okay then, just give me a goddamn good mATX boards already! I'm stuck with crappy Galax in here!

 

[gamefoo21]

I saw this coming with how 300 series boards were basically mothballed for Zen 2.

If I bought a B450/X470 recently, I'd be livid.

Chipsets are only getting 2 generations of support... AMD doing Intel things.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Here's hoping i can keep another Gen for my B450
Okay then, just give me a goddamn good mATX boards already! I'm stuck with crappy Galax in here!

Well, Biostar is ready and waiting for your cash...

Assortment of Five AMD B550 Premium Motherboards Pictured

Here are the first pictures of an assortment of five premium AMD B550 chipset motherboards by five different manufacturers. With PCI-Express gen 4.0 (where it matters), CPU+memory overclocking, and multi-GPU being enabled for the B550, and more importantly, the chipset not needing any...

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I saw this coming with how 300 series boards were basically mothballed for Zen 2.

If I bought a B450/X470 recently, I'd be livid.

Chipsets are only getting 2 generations of support... AMD doing Intel things.

What's the point of being livid? Technology moves forward, new stuff comes out, it's only with PCs you can upgrade at all.
What if you'd bought a new phone and two weeks later, a new model is announced. Would you be livid then too?

 

[IceShroom]

why?
because X570 super expensive and I have waited 1 year for B550 until I finally gave up and got a B450 and paired with a 3700x. While B550 is nothing more than a X470 with limited PCIe 4.0 support, now I'm locked from upgrading to 4000 series when it comes out.
It's a dickmove, just like disabling PCIe 4.0 on older boards was.
AMD can't afford dickmoves...they just recently got on top. that's not the way to stay there

B550 is not X470 rebadge. X470/X370/B450/B350 do not support PCI-e 3 from chipset , but B550 does.
Edit : Also more PCI-e lane than the previous chipset.

 

[ObiFrost]

Not sure why is everyone astonished. AMD clearly said compatability support until "2020", that's between 2019-01-01 and 2019-12-31.

 

[gamefoo21]

Well, Biostar is ready and waiting for your cash...

Assortment of Five AMD B550 Premium Motherboards Pictured

Here are the first pictures of an assortment of five premium AMD B550 chipset motherboards by five different manufacturers. With PCI-Express gen 4.0 (where it matters), CPU+memory overclocking, and multi-GPU being enabled for the B550, and more importantly, the chipset not needing any...

www.techpowerup.com

What's the point of being livid? Technology moves forward, new stuff comes out, it's only with PCs you can upgrade at all.
What if you'd bought a new phone and two weeks later, a new model is announced. Would you be livid then too?

Livid being AMD has been dead silent, while saying AM4 was getting at least Zen 3. The reviewers, YouTubers, and sites all suggested B450 for value builds because of upgrade path.

AMD did worse than Intel.

I agree that tech moves forward but AMD basically lied to consumers, IMHO.

 

[trparky]

Alright, I'm stepping away from this thread. It might as well be nuclear waste at this point. I don't need any more warnings, three is enough for me. I made my suggestions to stop with things that might cause moderators to come down on all of us but I guess nobody heeded my warning.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Livid being AMD has been dead silent, while saying AM4 was getting at least Zen 3. The reviewers, YouTubers, and sites all suggested B450 for value builds because of upgrade path.

AMD did worse than Intel.

I agree that tech moves forward but AMD basically lied to consumers, IMHO.

Tell me, how many companies out there pre-announce products? Did Apple tell their customer base that they were moving all USB-C/Thunderbolt before they announced the products?

AMD NEVER said that, they said they would support AM4 into 2020. Whatever we read into that, is our own fault if anything.
What is being suggested by random people on the internet, can't be blamed on AMD.

How did AMD do worse than Intel? Intel doesn't tell you that they're going to change socket before a product announcement either.
Leaks and rumours don't count.

And no, AMD didn't lie, they are continuing to use the same socket. You forget that when they have announcements, it's for their industry partners, not you and me as consumers.

On top of that, you have an X570 board, so what are you crying about? None of this will affect you.

 

[1d10t]

Well, Biostar is ready and waiting for your cash...

Assortment of Five AMD B550 Premium Motherboards Pictured

Here are the first pictures of an assortment of five premium AMD B550 chipset motherboards by five different manufacturers. With PCI-Express gen 4.0 (where it matters), CPU+memory overclocking, and multi-GPU being enabled for the B550, and more importantly, the chipset not needing any...

www.techpowerup.com

I think I'll pass, Biostar never uses top tier sound chip and never give 6 USB type A either in their mid range

I saw this coming with how 300 series boards were basically mothballed for Zen 2.
If I bought a B450/X470 recently, I'd be livid.
Chipsets are only getting 2 generations of support... AMD doing Intel things.

I recently switched to MSI B450M Mortar MAX from my previous Gigabyte X370 Gaming K5, at first glance I see this news like a betrayal, but then I remembered there was no word from AMD that they keeping "chipset" until X timeframe, they only said retain AM4 until 2020. I guess I'm just hang my expectation too high

 

[chstamos]

A large part of Ryzen's appeal was having a larger range of updates than intel CPUs. So congrats AMD for ruining that. Don't get me wrong, Ryzens are still great CPUs, but there are a lot of use cases where someone who might otherwise go AMD for a new setup now has significantly less reason to do so. I'm already burned, having bought a X470 only one month ago. My girlfriend's next PC upgrade will probably be intel. Save ourselves the annoyance of those endless ram compatibility lists too.

 

[gamefoo21]

Not sure why is everyone astonished. AMD clearly said compatability support until "2020", that's between 2019-01-01 and 2019-12-31.

AMD's reasoning is

Tell me, how many companies out there pre-announce products? Did Apple tell their customer base that they were moving all USB-C/Thunderbolt before they announced the products?

AMD NEVER said that, they said they would support AM4 into 2020. Whatever we read into that, is our own fault if anything.
What is being suggested by random people on the internet, can't be blamed on AMD.

How did AMD do worse than Intel? Intel doesn't tell you that they're going to change socket before a product announcement either.
Leaks and rumours don't count.

*Sigh*

I know better, you'll defend AMD until your dying breath.

AMD's excuse is bios size... Uhhh... What? It's called monetary gains.

They did a shitty thing, and yes they should have said something rather than just gagging the outlets, so they all look like shit for recommending a dead end build yesterday.

Your phone analogy is flawed, a PC is a PC because it's flexible and upgradable. AMD has been honking about support, about one socket, and hell they left it up to the manufacturer's to add Zen 2 to 300 series boards, which many did. There was no previous hint that AMD was going to pull a bios locked upgrade path.

If they stalled the B550 because of this, that's even worse. They basically left dead end products on the market to run out the clock on the 2020 support thing. That's callous. The other option is they can't keep the gen 4 lock out in place on the 400 series because of B550, so they just scrapped support.

It's likely a combination of greed and stupidity.

AMD did bad, and they should be called out on it. I defended them for the 5600XT launch, but this is not cool. The situation with the APUs is also a going to be a bloody mess.

 

[ensabrenoir]

...digital pitchforks. Tar and feathers......come and get your digital pitchforks, tar and feathers.... $10 a person lowest price on the internet!!!! I upgrade at random so.....I'll be getting the new platform anyway. AMD will eventually go all dark side and join the Sith and whatever but till then their prices are still a bit better than intel. Till then I'll just enjoy the new tech.

 

[Patriot]

Not sure why is everyone astonished. AMD clearly said compatability support until "2020", that's between 2019-01-01 and 2019-12-31.

They have said through many times in the past, not until, but they have always said AM4 not a specific chipset.

 

[TheLostSwede]

AMD's reasoning is


*Sigh*

I know better, you'll defend AMD until your dying breath.

AMD's excuse is bios size... Uhhh... What? It's called monetary gains.

They did a shitty thing, and yes they should have said something rather than just gagging the outlets, so they all look like shit for recommending a dead end build yesterday.

AMD did bad, and they should be called out on it. The situation with the APUs is also a going to be a bloody mess.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm asking you, how many companies pre-announce products so consumers don't buy their older products? NONE.

I agree, the flash size excuse is a bit lame. Yes, it's a limitation, but it seems like AMD should figure out how to refine its AGESA code at the same time, since that seems to be the bulk of the problem.

I highly doubt AMD gagged anyone, they don't have that kind of clout. Please don't make up silly things like that.

AMD didn't do anything. They did what all profit seeking companies do, they made a new product. That the new product doesn't meet your standards, isn't their fault. The fact that are used to being upgrade computers shouldn't be taken for granted. Look at what Intel wants us to buy with their NUC ecosystem. Those are not upgradable at all. We live in a throw-away capitalism world, so that anyone is surprised that at some point, they have to buy new parts to upgrade their PC, really baffles me.

 

[Dave65]

just set up my refund for my b450 tomahawk max, will be going z490 and intel 10 core, and ampere. fk it

Yeah Intel would never do this right?

 

[freeagent]

Wow you AMD users were lucky enough to keep your board for two or three cpu generations, and now you are getting upset because you need to buy a new board? Way to sound like an Intel user lol.

I kid, sort of. It was a good run!