AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

[oxidized]

Some what ironically you hate AMD the topic of this thread he isn't arsed but is non dramatic and reality based.

Reality only you red boyos see?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Reality only you red boyos see?

Quite the opposite, it's the reality you expected that's the issue, it's based on a slide that ended at 2021 and had no more than ten letter's on it, never mind a specific list of future support for a design on the drawing board that would if theoretically possible to explain, would have alerted your competitors to your intentions, that would be bold.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I dont care about intel or amd. I just buy one that suits me and my wallet. What I never understood is both companies are out there to milk you and they have when they had the advantage.

You dont care about either platform, but if you bought into one platform because of the promise of future support and that support was taken away, you'd probably be a little pissed, as many who bought a X470 motherboard last year are that their motherboards are now EOL after just a year while AMD was touting AM4 being supported through 2020, especially as many were willing to support AMD with the idea of taking the final chip, ryzen 4000, and getting 5+ total years of use out of their motherboards while being able to upgrade with better performance and more cores without a full system rebuild.

Both companies milk their fanbases, but when they twist the nipples after milking, they get a very negative reaction.

 

[ppn]

A320 Asrock does support even x3950, so that makes the above information untrue. Because it shows that A320 is out of the line for 3000 series as well as 4000 series. In the end old chipset just miss pcie4.0. not the entire support. That said 4000 series is useless, end of the line, and the motherboards for it are dead ends in the wake of ddr5.

 

[olymind1]

But yeah, only was of mobo manufactures making money is by selling new ones, new bios cost them money...

They only get money, if you buy a new motherboard from them, because you trust them that you'll get good support from them. Maybe you stay loyal to them...
If they withdraw support, you'll start thinking if they are trustworthy and not worth spending money at them on you next system...

By the way, i wonder how long AMD know this, know is the wrong word, when they decided to cut support / upgrade path for older chipsets/motherboards.

Last year i waited for Zen2, but it was expensive for me at that time, so i settled for a 2600, AMD released x570 PCIe 4.0 chipset, but delayed B550 chipset, so i bought an MSI B450 Tomahawk, because there were no B550.. When bought this board, they probably had a good laugh too: next year or the year after that, if you'll want the new Zen3, you'll have to upgrade to a new MB anyway

Even before Zen2 release AMD and MB manufactures know about the small bios size issues, they had to for months, they designed them, yet said nothing, just continued to sell those. Don't tell me they couldn't anticipate how much free bios space needed for the new cpus.

I'm not saying my current system is bad, just this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But will see if MSI release some kind of Zen3 support bios.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You dont care about either platform, but if you bought into one platform because of the promise of future support and that support was taken away, you'd probably be a little pissed, as many who bought a X470 motherboard last year are that their motherboards are now EOL after just a year while AMD was touting AM4 being supported through 2020, especially as many were willing to support AMD with the idea of taking the final chip, ryzen 4000, and getting 5+ total years of use out of their motherboards while being able to upgrade with better performance and more cores without a full system rebuild.

Both companies milk their fanbases, but when they twist the nipples after milking, they get a very negative reaction.

If I had bought an x470 last year when x570 was out I'd be pissed, I would slap my Pcmr go-to guy in the effin face for shit advice, always buy that year's motherboard for the best possible compatibility with next year's CPU, that is not new.
I bought x470 on release, I'm a bit miffed, but having seen this kind of mega dramma play out I'm not at all arsed , things can change and if they don't I'll either wait for x670 or weva ,or buy a x570 when they're both needed and cheaper.
No one is forced to buy.

 

[oxidized]

Quite the opposite, it's the reality you expected that's the issue, it's based on a slide that ended at 2021 and had no more than ten letter's on it, never mind a specific list of future support for a design on the drawing board that would if theoretically possible to explain, would have alerted your competitors to your intentions, that would be bold.

Lmao ridiculous

Go read the other posts, AM4 or not AM4 people still need to buy a new motherboard unless mobo makers will make their mobo support those CPUs. Keep climbing

 

[sepheronx]

I find it rather ironic that people praising Intel are going after AMD for having to tell customers that they need a newer chipset after 3 Ryzen iterations working on current boards, to work on Ryzen 4000; when Intel is now talking of Socket 1700 when 1200 isn't out yet.

People, simply go for best price to performance based setup. If you have either or, you will be stuck having to buy a new board for either new processor anyway. And we already know Intel is looking at a new socket as is.

And really, I thinks it's best to wait and see what the final outcome is. Like A320 support for Ryzen 3000 series I expect some motherboard makers will offer a bios update.

 

[dyonoctis]

Selective reading at it finest.

The past showed us that bios memory was an issue, with some board from MSI not being able to accept every AM4 CPU, or even some functionality like sata raid when it's supposed to be a standard. It was already a mess because it means that some brands had full am4 compatibilty, when some other had a selective compatibility.

Now AMD is saying because of that same reason (aka motherboard makers being cheapstakes) they literally can't have every single am4 motherboard be compatible with every am4 cpu. Ryzen gen 1 was scrapped from having official support for 500 chipset, but...some x570 motherboard are compatible with gen 1 ryzen :

THIS ACTUALLY WORKS!!! - MSI MEG X570 Unify + RYZEN 1700

The issue ? not all board might be able to handle that because again, all manufacturer don't use thet same bios chip. So you can't just say that x570 support is official when it's going to be a case by case possibilty. That's just a nightmare for the consumer.

And you can't either start to sell some b450 with a bios only compatible with zen 2 and zen 3. Some guy might still want to get a cheap zen+, another one with zen 1 might have his old board dying on him, but suddenly a few b450 dropped support for his cpu, so you gotta look wich brand, wich model can support your cpu...
Then you get that guy with his shiny new ryzen 4000 cpu, and shiny new* b450 motherboard...who won't work because it's one that use a small bios chip.

It's a mess, but not a mess where amd is the only one at fault, motherboard makers made is so that full compatibility with every AM4 motherboard isn't possible across the board, without introducing some hellish headache when you wonder if x board will work with x cpu, because of all the different bios running around.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Lmao ridiculous

Go read the other posts, AM4 or not AM4 people still need to buy a new motherboard unless mobo makers will make their mobo support those CPUs. Keep climbing

They made a bad choice, I get people being pissed about that, if you bought X450/70 and a ryzen3@@@ cpu you made a bad choice, based on an interpretation of very very slim details not confirmed facts and in no way detailed.

But notwithstanding that you also sacrificed Pciex4 support, it's stand out feature.

PBO2 ,no x470 board does as well in boost terms without a static clock.

and improved memory support and some boaRD dependant features.

Soo, you wanted good enough and cheaper, and it went wrong, I too wanted support through to the end too but what with AMD exceeding my expectations of what they would improve in a year never mind two given the core increases and pciex4 ill allow a pass after 3 years of cpu support which i got two upgrades out of, personally I don't swap yearly, few do, fewer still, in reality, buy with swapping a cpu next year in mind but your probably beyond seeing that.

 

[freeagent]

Hopefully they ditch those stupid ****ing pins. I rolled with them from s462 to AM2 and I have always hated them. And I still do lol. Call me what you will, I have enjoyed my time with both companies, and that does give me the right to be pissy with them about whatever I choose because I'm not going to lie, they both have pissed me off over the years. I hear Intel still make a better motherboard than AMD.. depends on who you ask I suppose..

You guys are putting so much emotion into this, it’s crazy. They only care about you’re money. They don’t actually care about you, other than if you want to spend more money.

Be like me, don’t buy anything until they make something that’s worth you’re money.

Fuck cinibench too lol.

I only say that because my hardware is old.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Hopefully they ditch those stupid ****ing pins. I rolled with them from s462 to AM2 and I have always hated them. And I still do lol. Call me what you will, I have enjoyed my time with both companies, and that does give me the right to be pissy with them about whatever I choose because I'm not going to lie, they both have pissed me off over the years. I hear Intel still make a better motherboard than AMD.. depends on who you ask I suppose..

You guys are putting so much emotion into this, it’s crazy. They only care about you’re money. They don’t actually care about you, other than if you want to spend more money.

Be like me, don’t buy anything until they make something that’s worth you’re money.

Fuck cinibench too lol.

I only say that because my hardware is old.

heartily agree, choose via wallet ,debate for fun, roll with what you get with a smile.

F### I love pins, I have got hundreds of pounds of CPU ,for little a fair few times and only lost once on a Xeon ironically v5 ,can i find a board for it cheap, won't work in my b250.

I once got a 2700X with 60 pins flat to the base ,it lived the cheap shit ,my cousin loves it, took Time though.

 

[Caring1]

I have a half a mind to sell my ryzen 3600 cpu now

While you are only using half your mind, shoot me a PM if you are serious about selling that 3600
I'm looking for a reasonably priced one.

 

[freeagent]

heartily agree, choose via wallet ,debate for fun, roll with what you get with a smile.

My phone is stronger then both of my computers lol.

Intel Xeon X5690 Benchmarks - Geekbench

Intel Core i7-3770K Benchmarks - Geekbench

iPhone XS Max Benchmarks - Geekbench

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

My phone is stronger then both of my computers lol.

Intel Xeon X5690 Benchmarks - Geekbench

Intel Core i7-3770K Benchmarks - Geekbench

iPhone XS Max Benchmarks - Geekbench

Apple will get exposed for bench cheating next don't sweat it, if it works doing your tasks your good if not well , keep smiling try n get some OT in at work.

 

[ARF]

Every AM4 board can support every AM4 CPU. Just make 2 BIOS versions for each, so people can grab the one that suits them right.
Everything else is a betrayal from AMD.
They don't even offer a normal full-sized Ryzen 3000 lineup.
They should start ditching the old quad cores as low-end entry level offerings, and instead move the entire lineup up to the 8-core for Renoir. Only the things above Renoir should be chiplets.

 

[freeagent]

Apple will get exposed for bench cheating next don't sweat it, if it works doing your tasks your good if not well , keep smiling try n get some OT in at work.

I love a good scandal. Oh yeah just need a phone, nothing crazy.. it was certified pre owned because I am that cheap.

No O.T. but lucky we still have a job cranking out parts. We are considered an essential worker because of the parts we make and who we make them for. So for that I am thankful, because I know others who have lost their incomes.

 

[oxidized]

They made a bad choice, I get people being pissed about that, if you bought X450/70 and a ryzen3@@@ cpu you made a bad choice, based on an interpretation of very very slim details not confirmed facts and in no way detailed.

But notwithstanding that you also sacrificed Pciex4 support, it's stand out feature.

PBO2 ,no x470 board does as well in boost terms without a static clock.

and improved memory support and some boaRD dependant features.

Soo, you wanted good enough and cheaper, and it went wrong, I too wanted support through to the end too but what with AMD exceeding my expectations of what they would improve in a year never mind two given the core increases and pciex4 ill allow a pass after 3 years of cpu support which i got two upgrades out of, personally I don't swap yearly, few do, fewer still, in reality, buy with swapping a cpu next year in mind but your probably beyond seeing that.

Here's the blabbering again, we're talking about oranges and you mix in apples, pasta, sushi and kebab, good job, again. They never even cared to explain that they didn't mean for all chipsets to support every CPUs, they just went on with "we're supporting AM4 until 2021" what does this mean for person with a normal functioning brain? "Cool i'm to keep my mobo (give i buy a decent one) and can swap my CPU with better ones as they come out, sick" remember they used that during consumer targeted events and questions concerning durability of their platform.

Also has anyone thought about the fact that next chipset generation, which is supposed to be 600 is going to get launched only for ryzen series 4000? Since after that they drop the support for AM4.

 

[ARF]

Also has anyone thought about the fact that next chipset generation, which is supposed to be 600 is going to get launched only for ryzen series 4000? Since after that they drop the support for AM4.

There is no problem to have X670 with higher DDR4-4000+ support, lower chipset power consumption, passive chipset cooling, some other cool new features.
Many people dislike X570, anyways.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Here's the blabbering again, we're talking about oranges and you mix in apples, pasta, sushi and kebab, good job, again. They never even cared to explain that they didn't mean for all chipsets to support every CPUs, they just went on with "we're supporting AM4 until 2021" what does this mean for person with a normal functioning brain? "Cool i'm to keep my mobo (give i buy a decent one) and can swap my CPU with better ones as they come out, sick" remember they used that during consumer targeted events and questions concerning durability of their platform.

Also wehas anyone thought about the fact that next chipset generation, which is supposed to be 600 is going to get launched only for ryzen series 4000? Since after that they drop the support for AM4.

The bastard's how dare they, I wonder if intel will or perhaps they'll be late to pciex5 and ddr5, I agree stop all updates, freeze no one improve anything until all the butt hurt are sorted.

Kinda laughable bios support is always a joke no matter the board you get.
That's my experience a year maybe two.

You realise I own an x470!

Whereas you don't, odd.

And again with the making shit up ,do show something to back that nonesense up.

its your kind of miss information that causes this , well you and Intel's comedy pr team.

if AMD had a comedy pr team it would be an improvement.

 

[oxidized]

There is no problem to have X670 with higher DDR4-4000+ support, lower chipset power consumption, passive chipset cooling, some other cool new features.
Many people dislike X570, anyways.

No problems it's just so intel style.

The bastard's how dare they, I wonder if intel will or perhaps they'll be late to pciex5 and ddr5, I agree stop all updates, freeze no one improve anything until all the butt hurt are sorted.

Kinda laughable bios support is always a joke no matter the board you get.
That's my experience a year maybe two.

You realise I own an x470!

Whereas you don't, odd.

And again with the making shit up ,do show something to back that nonesense up.

its your kind of miss information that causes this , well you and Intel's comedy pr team.

You really can't help but raving huh? You keep adding and talking about stuff nobody never mentioned and are not of use in the argument like pciex5 or ddr5, you have a very weird way of talking, i mean you're british you should make sense, instead reading you is like reading someone who's been drinking for the whole day.
I'm not making anything up, the only thing going on here is you trying to defend your boyos at all costs, and i don't give a steaming sh** about intel, they could close down tomorrow and i wouldn't even be blinking, not everyone is fan of PC components companies like yourself, i don't honestly give a damn about who i'm buying from, the only thing i give a damn about is my wallet and my experience with what i buy.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

No problems it's just so intel style.



You really can't help but raving huh? You keep adding and talking about stuff nobody never mentioned and are not of use in the argument like pciex5 or ddr5, you have a very weird way of talking, i mean you're british you should make sense, instead reading you is like reading someone who's been drinking for the whole day.
I'm not making anything up, the only thing going on here is you trying to defend your boyos at all costs, and i don't give a steaming sh** about intel, they could close down tomorrow and i wouldn't even be blinking, not everyone is fan of PC components companies like yourself, i don't honestly give a damn about who i'm buying from, the only thing i give a damn about is my wallet and my experience with what i buy.

Alright ,did you buy x470 or not,, they're not my boyos ,and I apologize for being a fan of pc components ALONE with no bias but this is a tech forum ,one of few places my kind of geek can chill, I own a bit of everything and moan about them all from time to time don't worry, so long as you're choosing with your wallet your on track ish.

I sware you read half, if not less of anything I replied to you, have been quite insulting, and completely oblivious to the fact I both understand your main point, I agree if I had just bought a board (x470) I'd be unhappy, the only part we disagree on, is who is to blame and the evidence of this, and the degree of offence, so a bit then but not everything.

Point is your calling me a fan boy for looking into a thread about future support for my type of board while you have no coin in the game yet are still here, tut.

 

[Ammar]

I guess people that have invested in an X470/B450 motherboard are going to be pissed off that they can't use a Ryzen 4000 CPU in their boards...

Shame the CPU uplink isn't PCIe 4.0.

invested in a X470-F. smh

 

[Gam3n]

In theory, yes. However, it takes time to make these things and even more so, test them. As such, it's something I can't see the board makers being willing to do, unless there's a really good reason for them to do so. I mean, after all, they've already sold the product to you and would rather sell you another, than continuing adding support for new CPUs to an old board. This is capitalism for you.

No, that's not capitalism, that's greed, and those are two different things. In capitalism you have greed balanced by the fear of losing customers. AMD seem to not care about that. Many people were hyping the supposed longevity of the platform in 2017, which was a big departure from what Intel did for many years. And AMD also had in the past support for AM3+ processors on some AM2 boards. Did anyone from AMD come out and say clearly "guys, when we say 2020, we mean the same socket, not compatibility". No, they didn't. It's completely ok to drop support of X370 and B350, they really do have a small BIOS and are getting quite old. But X470 are still sold parallel to X570, and the only difference is PCI gen 4 support. MSI had the MAX refresh on their 4xx series boards, which had 256 Mb BIOS and Support for Ryzen 3000 out of the box. I bought one of those recently, since my X370 Asrock was getting on my nerves, and decided to get some money for it while it was still worth something. And many listings of similar boards on ebay pointed out the compatibility with Ryzen 3000, which surely helped keep the resale value. If AMD is concerned with BIOS size, then at least have the 256 Mb 4XX boards get that support. Just drop Ryzen 1000 like on X570 boards, which also have 256 Mb by the way.

It can't be that last year most manufacturers released BIOS with support for 3000 series on their X370 and B350 boards, but this year they can't, because they will lose sales and the testing costs time and money. Didn't they think last year, that an update of X370 will cost them the sale of an X570 board? They did, so why did they released it? Because customer loyalty, that's why. The move made so many owners happy that their investment will get them through another generation without additional cost, or that they will get more money when they sell a board that supports the latest gen CPUs. I can't remember anyone bashing AMD or the manufacturers for doing that. It was all praise. Naturally, when they do the exact opposite now, they will get flack. And all it takes is one manufacturer to say eff it, we are releasing our own BIOS (if AMD are not complete d's about it and hard block based on chipset). Then everyone will know, this one manufacturer is consumer friendly, and will flock to them. And the others will have no choice but to follow.

 

[dyonoctis]

Here's the blabbering again, we're talking about oranges and you mix in apples, pasta, sushi and kebab, good job, again. They never even cared to explain that they didn't mean for all chipsets to support every CPUs, they just went on with "we're supporting AM4 until 2021" what does this mean for person with a normal functioning brain? "Cool i'm to keep my mobo (give i buy a decent one) and can swap my CPU with better ones as they come out, sick" remember they used that during consumer targeted events and questions concerning durability of their platform.

Also has anyone thought about the fact that next chipset generation, which is supposed to be 600 is going to get launched only for ryzen series 4000? Since after that they drop the support for AM4.

One can assume that it might have been the initial plan, but when they realised that they couldn't make the bios small enough, they had to do that(16Mo bios chips from MSI FTW). Notice how B350/X370 is shown as not being compatible with Ryzen 3000, when a fair amount of B350/X370 can make them work without any issue. Imo, the next time AMD should make some guidelines for their partners so that we avoid those kind of situation again.

As for the 600 chipset, the ryzen 4000 are going to be the last cpu's with support for DDR4, I don't know the details about those chipset, but I doubt that it's going to be a loss for Ryzen 3000 owner, The next big changes are going to be after the switch to ddr 5 (usb4, pci-e 5). If the feature set is the same, you might as well just get a cheaper 500 motherboard if you plan to get a cheaper ryzen 3000 anyways.

Now that I think about it, people where far less angry when they announced that Threadripper zen2/TR40 would basically be a new platform without backward compatibilty. a few ranted for 3 pages then quickly moved on. Here it's 10 pages and counting .

MSI had the MAX refresh on their 4xx series boards, which had 256 Mb BIOS

The Max refresh only went from 16mb to 32mb:

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